The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[tgtm_24]

Another question?

Why didn't we sign Stephenson and let Bledsoe walk?

Because he's a whack job.

People severely underestimate team chemistry in basketball.

48 wins last year isn't possible without the chemistry on this team.

Exactly my point. We have it. Stephenson would mess it up in my opinion.

[tgtm_24]

A wack job who has heart and hustle! Or a PG who averages half a season a year games player and doesn't seem like he wants to be on the suns!

I'd take

Dragic
Stephenson

Anyday

Bledsoe has had one year as a starter and missed two weeks with a shin bruise, besides the knee. Stephenson has hustle when he's belting teammates in the locker room. Your user name clearly indicates you don't like Bledsoe, so little point discussing it.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Chemistry? I loved it as well

Another thing is our depth is why we had 48 wins.

I think we won't peak or be contenders without brining in a star player!

We need a front court who can bang!
-love not one

And our depth and guards are legit. We just need a front court

[NoKneeBledsoe]

A wack job who has heart and hustle! Or a PG who averages half a season a year games player and doesn't seem like he wants to be on the suns!

I'd take

Dragic
Stephenson

Anyday

Bledsoe has had one year as a starter and missed two weeks with a shin bruise, besides the knee. Stephenson has hustle when he's belting teammates in the locker room. Your user name clearly indicates you don't like Bledsoe, so little point discussing it.

I like Bledsoe for sure

My opinion is he is not a max player at all! Injuries prove it. 4 seasons and 2 were half played.
He is a 3rd option not a 1st

[tgtm_24]

A wack job who has heart and hustle! Or a PG who averages half a season a year games player and doesn't seem like he wants to be on the suns!

I'd take

Dragic
Stephenson

Anyday

Bledsoe has had one year as a starter and missed two weeks with a shin bruise, besides the knee. Stephenson has hustle when he's belting teammates in the locker room. Your user name clearly indicates you don't like Bledsoe, so little point discussing it.

I like Bledsoe for sure

My opinion is he is not a max player at all! Injuries prove it. 4 seasons and 2 were half played.
He is a 3rd option not a 1st

Nor is Stephenson. Bledsoe is a good fit. Still yet to hit his ceiling. I'm happy to give him a chance before writing him off

[Revived]

**** frye and his bitchmade defense

[Saberestar]

any chance suns take a look at Boozer?

Paul Coro:

Doubtful. Bledsoe will likely be the last deal they do.

[aIvin adams]

My first post is going to let me get to know you guys by your responses

I hate yer screen name

-why do you want love when he will not resign next year?

Why don't you want Love even tho he will resign next year, is the question...

-what's all this love for a stretch 4

Uhh. What IS love? I dunno.

Anyway, glad to meet you. hope this interview has established a relationship.

Frye is not good and out stretch 4 mentality has gotten us nowhere

Our relationship is not working out for me

[BobbieL]

any chance suns take a look at Boozer?

Paul Coro:

Doubtful. Bledsoe will likely be the last deal they do.

I think that is smart. Don't go crazy with the cap space unnecessarily.

So, the team has gained Ennis (we think), Warren, Tolliver and Thomas. Have lost Ish and Frye.


I think that will be a net gain overall - will need players to continue the improvement.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

A chance? A chance isn't a max contract!

Also Alvin Adams . I said Love won't re-sign with us! Why give up talent and youth for Love who will be out in 2015-16 season

[Marz11]

Where the loss of Frye will be felt most I think will be his ability to got to the 5 while Keef plays the 4. Plumlee and Len don't fill me with much confidence and we haven't got anybody else to play the 5.

[kanetrain33]

Where the loss of Frye will be felt most I think will be his ability to got to the 5 while Keef plays the 4. Plumlee and Len don't fill me with much confidence and we haven't got anybody else to play the 5.

This is true. If PHX can find a serviceable 5 to play 15 minutes a game, this concern goes away, but you make a great point.

[JDLAW]

I don't understand the term "max contract." It certainly can't mean the maximum. From what I read, Bosh signed a 5yr/118million "max" contract. Carmelo signed a 5yr/124million contract that was less than the 129 max he could have signed for. I think they came from the same draft, and they both signed with their current teams. What's the deal? Does the "max" number depend on the contract they just finished- as Carmelo is coming off of a max and Bosh is not?

That is what I thought. I was thinking Bosh was making less the year before and could only start out at 105% of his previous salary, but this reads the opposite.

A free agent's maximum salary in the first year of a new contract is never less than 105% of his salary in the last year of his previous contract. For example, a ten-year veteran free agent who most recently earned $20 million has a maximum salary of at least $21 million, even if that is above the league-wide maximum. A free agent does not need to remain with the same team in order to receive 105% of his previous salary, although the team that signs him is subject to the same salary cap restrictions as with any other free agent.

That quote above is from here http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16 which has a chart of max salaries.

From what I just looked at and read, it seems like Bosh should have been able to get the 5 year, $129 million contract that Melo could have gotten.

There are max salaries based on how long you have been in the league. 0-6 years, you can get 25% of the cap, 7-9 years 30% of the cap, 10+ years, 35% of the cap (seems like both Bosh and Melo fit here, and Kobe can even go higher because of the 105% thing).

Also, there is a chart here http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/salary_cap that shows all the max salaries, minimum salaries, different exception amounts, etc.

The difference is that Melo signed as an extension of a contract from the old CBA and had a higher base salary off which to factor his 105%. Leborn and Bosh's contracts were new.

[tgtm_24]

A chance? A chance isn't a max contract!

Also Alvin Adams . I said Love won't re-sign with us! Why give up talent and youth for Love who will be out in 2015-16 season

Has he been given a max yet?

Can't inbound the ball before it's gone out.

[bwgood77]

Regardless, Melo's max is higher than Bosh's simply because of his previous year's salary. And that's my point. Bosh signed a smaller contract previously which affects this contract.

Actually I figured it out. It's what I originally thought and kind of what you thought. Bosh's previous salary doesn't impact this contract, but Melo's does.

Bosh IS in fact getting the full 5 year max that any 10 year player can get. For some reason the max starting salary for 10 year players is $20,644,400 (what Bosh is starting at) and is not a full 35% of the cap figure for whatever reason. You ARE however, allowed to start out at a higher rate than this full max if your previous salary + 5% exceeds that number, which is the case with Melo and Kobe.

When I strictly was just trying to calculate it earlier I took 35% of what I thought the cap was ($63,200,000) and came out with a starting number ($22,120,000), and gave that number 7.5% raises each year and came up with just about what Melo's max could have been (a little less than $129,000,000), but this was merely a coincidence.

[Cutter]

Today on the Burns and Gamob show on 620 KTAR Sports, Gambo talked quite a bit about the Eric Bledsoe situation and the Suns. Gambo said the following is not official, but that he is hearing that the Suns have offered Bledsoe a 4 year $44 million dollar deal. Bledsoe is considering the deal, but might also consider a qualifying offer (highly unlikely with his injury history) so he could be a unrestricted free agent next year.

He also said that Bledsoe and his agent are really surprised that he hasn't received any offers. But Gambo speculated that all other teams see what the Suns see. That Bledsoe has been injury prone his entire career, and has a very small sample size leading a team. Gambo acknowledges most people understand Bledsoe is not a max player, but it takes just one crazy GM to make the offer.

[bwgood77]

The difference is that Melo signed as an extension of a contract from the old CBA and had a higher base salary off which to factor his 105%. Leborn and Bosh's contracts were new.

Yeah, my whole problem earlier was that it looked like Bosh should have been able to get a bigger max salary if you take 35% of the cap and give it 7.5% raises. But the cap is slightly less than I thought and apparently the max salary isn't quite 35% of that number either, but something less.

[bwgood77]

Today on the Burns and Gamob show on 620 KTAR Sports, Gambo talked quite a bit about the Eric Bledsoe situation and the Suns. Gambo said the following is not official, but that he is hearing that the Suns have offered Bledsoe a 4 year $44 million dollar deal. Bledsoe is considering the deal, but might also consider a qualifying offer (highly unlikely with his injury history) so he could be a unrestricted free agent next year.

He also said that Bledsoe and his agent are really surprised that he hasn't received any offers. But Gambo speculated that all other teams see what the Suns see. That Bledsoe has been injury prone his entire career, and has a very small sample size leading a team. Gambo acknowledges most people understand Bledsoe is not a max player, but it takes just one crazy GM to make the offer.

Makes perfect sense. The other day I even said I'd offer him 4/11 and let him stew and settle at 4/12 possibly. But wouldn't start at the entire 4/12 if that's the highest I'd like to pay. Looks like it should work out well.

I think Jennings and Teague were similarly surprised at what they got last year, and I remember Monta Ellis being surprised. People often times think they are worth more than they are. But with the league full of good point guards, it's a little tougher market.

[bwgood77]

Listening to Glen Taylor's segment in summer league, he sounded pretty clear about his desire for Love to stay and try to make things work this season. I think he's in for a rude awakening come February if he tries to trade Love. My guess is they'll keep him through the end of the season and attempt a S&T. They're being stubborn, in my view, because they've been out of the playoffs so long that they don't trust themselves to conduct a successful rebuild.

It's a win-win for us, because it allows us to keep Dragic and make an attempt at Love in free agency, and if the Wolves aren't one of the worst 12 teams in the league, we get their draft pick! How nice would it be to have the #7, #14, and #24 picks in next year's draft? Slow and steady...

I think they will end up keeping him unless they get Wiggins or Thompson. They might be good. Dieng could be the center they need.

And of course, once again, I think you are wrong about offers getting worse later. Melo, for example, finally fetched a MUCH better offer at mid season than he did before the season.

Another thing Minnesota has in their favor is that GS or Cleveland cannot sign him in FA next summer, so if they don't trade for him they don't get that chance to sign him at all and are stuck with what they have....and will also have to give Thompson a big raise fairly soon.

Even NY with Melo could have actually signed him that coming summer so really didn't have to give up anything but were afraid he wouldn't come without the full 5 year max.

Minnesota is better off keeping him though than taking those crap offers.

I agree with your second paragraph. We could try to see if we wanted to sign and if so, we could just renounce Green and the twins or keep some of them and try to trade Thomas or Len or whoever to clear cap space. So we don't lose Dragic, Bledsoe, possibly get Love, but if not can keep the twins and Green, and also maybe get their pick. Best of all worlds!

[NoKneeBledsoe]

I call love will end up in Golden St