The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[Saberestar]

Today on the Burns and Gamob show on 620 KTAR Sports, Gambo talked quite a bit about the Eric Bledsoe situation and the Suns. Gambo said the following is not official, but that he is hearing that the Suns have offered Bledsoe a 4 year $44 million dollar deal. Bledsoe is considering the deal, but might also consider a qualifying offer (highly unlikely with his injury history) so he could be a unrestricted free agent next year.

He also said that Bledsoe and his agent are really surprised that he hasn't received any offers. But Gambo speculated that all other teams see what the Suns see. That Bledsoe has been injury prone his entire career, and has a very small sample size leading a team. Gambo acknowledges most people understand Bledsoe is not a max player, but it takes just one crazy GM to make the offer.

It would be fantastic if we can sign him at $11M per year.

[bwgood77]

I call love will end up in Golden St

I guess the question is, is it worth it? Even if you get Thompson, you probably have to match a max offer next summer and pay David Lee $15 million for two years. It's sure as hell not worth that horrid Lee contract and Barnes.

They could let Love walk and try to sign Millsap next summer (of course a lot of teams will probably try to sign him) but at least they could do something in free agency. If I were them I'd rather do a Wiggins deal or nothing.

[thamadkant]

Seriously why the hell would you name yourself NoKneeBledsoe... thats harsh and AGAINST team spirit...but its a free world I suppose.

[King4Day]

I'm surprised we wouldn't offer him at least the 12 that Lowry got. But agreed. If we can nab him at 11, that's a major steal considering everyone expected he would sign for max.
I would be stunned if he just took the qualifying offer. He should look back and remember what Livingston did. I understand the injuries are different but it takes one injury to make you a perennial 'vet minimum contract' player.

In the end, I bet it's a 4 year deal with a P/O after 3

[King4Day]

Seriously why the hell would you name yourself NoKneeBledsoe... thats harsh and AGAINST team spirit...but its a free world I suppose.

It was clear from his first post that he hated Bledsoe.
Casual fan maybe?

[spanishninja]

I'm surprised we wouldn't offer him at least the 12 that Lowry got. But agreed. If we can nab him at 11, that's a major steal considering everyone expected he would sign for max.
I would be stunned if he just took the qualifying offer. He should look back and remember what Livingston did. I understand the injuries are different but it takes one injury to make you a perennial 'vet minimum contract' player.

In the end, I bet it's a 4 year deal with a P/O after 3

I think Bledsoe does deserve to be considered on the same level as Lowry as far as contracts go. Remember contracts are supposed to be awarded based on projected production, and Bledsoe has better upside and is younger. Lowry is really not that far ahead of Bledoe career-wise, himself having had injury issues in the past and was in fact relieved by Dragic during that year in Houston when he kind of broke out. Even last year he was a disappointment (I know, I drafted the guy on my fantasy team in 12-13). So if Lowry can get this kind of money based on one year of good production (and I'm not saying he deserves it), Bledsoe has an argument.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Casual fan since 1992!

Also it's a true statement! Dudes knees are broke. I like him for sure

Just not worth a max contract in my opinion

He should get 4 years 40 mill at most

[Cutter]

Today on the Burns and Gamob show on 620 KTAR Sports, Gambo talked quite a bit about the Eric Bledsoe situation and the Suns. Gambo said the following is not official, but that he is hearing that the Suns have offered Bledsoe a 4 year $44 million dollar deal. Bledsoe is considering the deal, but might also consider a qualifying offer (highly unlikely with his injury history) so he could be a unrestricted free agent next year.

He also said that Bledsoe and his agent are really surprised that he hasn't received any offers. But Gambo speculated that all other teams see what the Suns see. That Bledsoe has been injury prone his entire career, and has a very small sample size leading a team. Gambo acknowledges most people understand Bledsoe is not a max player, but it takes just one crazy GM to make the offer.

Makes perfect sense. The other day I even said I'd offer him 4/11 and let him stew and settle at 4/12 possibly. But wouldn't start at the entire 4/12 if that's the highest I'd like to pay. Looks like it should work out well.

I think Jennings and Teague were similarly surprised at what they got last year, and I remember Monta Ellis being surprised. People often times think they are worth more than they are. But with the league full of good point guards, it's a little tougher market.

i saw your other post and you pretty much nailed it. Gambo speculated the Suns might agree to a Kyle Lowry $12 million per year deal for Bledsoe. But for now the deal is 4 years $11 million per, no raises.

Also Suns see this as a way to retain Dragic next year as well. They believe he could give the Suns a slight home team discount and take somewhere in the $12 range. Hope I'm not breaking news to anyone, but Dragic is not worth a max either. The only way he might get one is if he had a LeBron prime type year. All this according to Gambo on today's show.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah I don't expect hell go the QO route. He'd only make 3.7 mil next year. So he'd be risking over 40 mil long term and 7 mil alone next year. Big risk and he would need a deal next off season around 15 to even break if did a 4 yr deal with an opt out after 3 this summer. It would be very tough for him to end up making more money over the next 3 yrs if he takes the QO even if plays really well next yr.

Now the QO would also be terrible for the suns because if he takes it he can't be traded without his content and can't be extended until next summer when he's a ufa.

My guess is he comes back at lowery money. 4-48

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[Cutter]

Casual fan since 1992!

Also it's a true statement! Dudes knees are broke. I like him for sure

Just not worth a max contract in my opinion

He should get 4 years 40 mill at most

I've said many times that Bledsoe's worth 40/4. Injuries and sample size restrict his offers.

$44/4 per is a bit high, but I'd take it.

$48/4 is still too high for Bledsoe.

[bwgood77]

Today on the Burns and Gamob show on 620 KTAR Sports, Gambo talked quite a bit about the Eric Bledsoe situation and the Suns. Gambo said the following is not official, but that he is hearing that the Suns have offered Bledsoe a 4 year $44 million dollar deal. Bledsoe is considering the deal, but might also consider a qualifying offer (highly unlikely with his injury history) so he could be a unrestricted free agent next year.

He also said that Bledsoe and his agent are really surprised that he hasn't received any offers. But Gambo speculated that all other teams see what the Suns see. That Bledsoe has been injury prone his entire career, and has a very small sample size leading a team. Gambo acknowledges most people understand Bledsoe is not a max player, but it takes just one crazy GM to make the offer.

Makes perfect sense. The other day I even said I'd offer him 4/11 and let him stew and settle at 4/12 possibly. But wouldn't start at the entire 4/12 if that's the highest I'd like to pay. Looks like it should work out well.

I think Jennings and Teague were similarly surprised at what they got last year, and I remember Monta Ellis being surprised. People often times think they are worth more than they are. But with the league full of good point guards, it's a little tougher market.

i saw your other post and you pretty much nailed it. Gambo speculated the Suns might agree to a Kyle Lowry $12 million per year deal for Bledsoe. But for now the deal is 4 years $11 million per, no raises.

Also Suns see this as a way to retain Dragic next year as well. They believe he could give the Suns a slight home team discount and take somewhere in the $12 range. Hope I'm not breaking news to anyone, but Dragic is not worth a max either. The only way he might get one is if he had a LeBron prime type year. All this according to Gambo on today's show.

Exactly, I thought they should make the same as of now, but lets see what happens this year. Dragic could get bigger offers and we may need to go higher. I can't see him getting his max though. If he gets even better or stays the same, he could get offers in the $14 range I think though. It just depends on people's cap space and needs though...and will people view him as a 2? If they view him as a pg, he will likely get less than if people want to play him with another pg.

[letsgosuns]

I have always liked Gambo, but since Ryan McDonough has taken over, he virtually gives no good inside information on the Suns at all. He used to always call their moves ahead of time prior to this current management staff, but he has yet to get anything right since they came into play. I think he has just small bits and pieces of information now and puts it all together based on his own opinions.

[carey]

You have been around a long time. I think everyone views you as a regular here.

5 years? Not too long.

[Qwigglez]

40/4 would be perfect IMO. Anything above and he is overpaid. He should be getting a slightly lower contract than what Steph Curry got.

[Jdiddy701]

Gambo gets his information from Sarver. They are very close.


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[Qwigglez]

If we did get Bledsoe on even a 44/4 contract, what does our salary look like coming into the season, and more importantly next offseason.
What do you guys think Kieff's value is gonna be, if he reaches lets say 15/7 for the season? Do you think we could get him at 7.5mil per year or is that too low?

[bwgood77]

I really love our team except for one thing. I wish we had that defensive big in the middle. I know I've always advocated a stretch four, and still do because I like having Dragic and Bledsoe and know they have never been nearly as effective without that space, but I also thought someone like Asik to anchor the middle would be good.

I know people mentioned Okafor in the past, and I kind of never gave it a second thought until recently after watching our centers in summer league. Where the hell IS Okafor? Before his injury he was still pretty good, no? Did he just never get better? Retire? Because I can't find ANY info on him.

If he could just get back to close to where he was pre-injury, he'd be worth a one year deal and could probably really help give us some inside presence and toughness.

[bwgood77]

If we did get Bledsoe on even a 44/4 contract, what does our salary look like coming into the season, and more importantly next offseason.
What do you guys think Kieff's value is gonna be, if he reaches lets say 15/7 for the season? Do you think we could get him at 7.5mil per year or is that too low?

I was just looking at this....I think we would be at about $59 million if you take the differences in Bledsoe, Tucker and add Tolliver to this list. https://docs.google.com/a/thn.org/sprea ... ing#gid=26

As for Kieff, that is probably a little too low...actually maybe about right if you look at Millsap's deal last year, but a lot of people thought Atlanta got a steal.

[BVPN]

I really love our team except for one thing. I wish we had that defensive big in the middle. I know I've always advocated a stretch four, and still do because I like having Dragic and Bledsoe and know they have never been nearly as effective without that space, but I also thought someone like Asik to anchor the middle would be good.

I know people mentioned Okafor in the past, and I kind of never gave it a second thought until recently after watching our centers in summer league. Where the hell IS Okafor? Before his injury he was still pretty good, no? Did he just never get better? Retire? Because I can't find ANY info on him.

If he could just get back to close to where he was pre-injury, he'd be worth a one year deal and could probably really help give us some inside presence and toughness.

Larry Sanders!!

[Cutter]

I'm surprised we wouldn't offer him at least the 12 that Lowry got. But agreed. If we can nab him at 11, that's a major steal considering everyone expected he would sign for max.
I would be stunned if he just took the qualifying offer. He should look back and remember what Livingston did. I understand the injuries are different but it takes one injury to make you a perennial 'vet minimum contract' player.

In the end, I bet it's a 4 year deal with a P/O after 3

I think Bledsoe does deserve to be considered on the same level as Lowry as far as contracts go. Remember contracts are supposed to be awarded based on projected production, and Bledsoe has better upside and is younger. Lowry is really not that far ahead of Bledoe career-wise, himself having had injury issues in the past and was in fact relieved by Dragic during that year in Houston when he kind of broke out. Even last year he was a disappointment (I know, I drafted the guy on my fantasy team in 12-13). So if Lowry can get this kind of money based on one year of good production (and I'm not saying he deserves it), Bledsoe has an argument.

Wait. I thought Lowry was great last year with Toronto, and that's why they wanted to sign him so badly? The Heat wanted to sign him to appease LeBron, but he took the Raptor offer instead.