The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[Cutter]

I call love will end up in Golden St

Will GSW include Klay Thompson in the deal?

[letsgosuns]

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Okay. Well if Gambo is right and Bledsoe could sign for 4 years, 44 million, that would be great (assuming the medical staff clears him of course), especially with guys like Hayward and Parsons getting max deals. I would much rather have Bledsoe than those guys. Not even close. Bledsoe has the potential to become a superstar point guard in my opinion.

[spanishninja]

I'm surprised we wouldn't offer him at least the 12 that Lowry got. But agreed. If we can nab him at 11, that's a major steal considering everyone expected he would sign for max.
I would be stunned if he just took the qualifying offer. He should look back and remember what Livingston did. I understand the injuries are different but it takes one injury to make you a perennial 'vet minimum contract' player.

In the end, I bet it's a 4 year deal with a P/O after 3

I think Bledsoe does deserve to be considered on the same level as Lowry as far as contracts go. Remember contracts are supposed to be awarded based on projected production, and Bledsoe has better upside and is younger. Lowry is really not that far ahead of Bledoe career-wise, himself having had injury issues in the past and was in fact relieved by Dragic during that year in Houston when he kind of broke out. Even last year he was a disappointment (I know, I drafted the guy on my fantasy team in 12-13). So if Lowry can get this kind of money based on one year of good production (and I'm not saying he deserves it), Bledsoe has an argument.

Wait. I thought Lowry was great last year with Toronto, and that's why they wanted to sign him so badly? The Heat wanted to sign him to appease LeBron, but he took the Raptor offer instead.

Err I meant the year before this past one when I said "last year". 12-13 he was injured almost half the season.

[Qwigglez]

If we did get Bledsoe on even a 44/4 contract, what does our salary look like coming into the season, and more importantly next offseason.
What do you guys think Kieff's value is gonna be, if he reaches lets say 15/7 for the season? Do you think we could get him at 7.5mil per year or is that too low?

I was just looking at this....I think we would be at about $59 million if you take the differences in Bledsoe, Tucker and add Tolliver to this list. https://docs.google.com/a/thn.org/sprea ... ing#gid=26

So what are we at going into next summer? Basically do we have enough money to get a Kevin Love/Marc Gasol/Paul Millsap while also holding onto Dragic?
I'm sure we can let Kieff and Marcus play the restricted free agency game if they decide the Suns low-balled them during the season. I think we are gonna offer Kieff 25mil/4years and Marcus 14mil/3years during the season, and if they make it to free agency Kieff will go as high as 34mil/4years.
I bet we'll be lurking in the trade market throughout the season.

[bwgood77]

If we did get Bledsoe on even a 44/4 contract, what does our salary look like coming into the season, and more importantly next offseason.
What do you guys think Kieff's value is gonna be, if he reaches lets say 15/7 for the season? Do you think we could get him at 7.5mil per year or is that too low?

I was just looking at this....I think we would be at about $59 million if you take the differences in Bledsoe, Tucker and add Tolliver to this list. https://docs.google.com/a/thn.org/sprea ... ing#gid=26

So what are we at going into next summer? Basically do we have enough money to get a Kevin Love/Marc Gasol/Paul Millsap while also holding onto Dragic?
I'm sure we can let Kieff and Marcus play the restricted free agency game if they decide the Suns low-balled them during the season. I think we are gonna offer Kieff 25mil/4years and Marcus 14mil/3years during the season, and if they make it to free agency Kieff will go as high as 34mil/4years.
I bet we'll be lurking in the trade market throughout the season.

For a quick answer, go look at what I wrote in post 44 on maybe page 3, and that should answer your question I believe. it's probably on about page 3. But in the case I spelled out, we couldn't offer the twins extensions now.

In short, we'd have to negotiate with free agents, and then like renounce or trade some players to sign them. To get one of the guys you mention we'd probably have to get rid of a few guys, or just renounce the twins and Green. It would be either those three, or Len instead of one of them, or Thomas and one of them. Thomas could go and he would be tradeable. They we'd sign him once we carved out the appropriate space...kind of like what Houston did this year when trying to sign Bosh.

[Jdiddy701]

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Okay. Well if Gambo is right and Bledsoe could sign for 4 years, 44 million, that would be great (assuming the medical staff clears him of course), especially with guys like Hayward and Parsons getting max deals. I would much rather have Bledsoe than those guys. Not even close. Bledsoe has the potential to become a superstar point guard in my opinion.

I agree. I think Bledsoe is the 3rd best free agent behind Lebron and Bosh. He has potential to be a top 3 PG. He just needs to want it. Losing him would put us back so far. Yes we almost made the playoffs without him but it's clear he's going to be really really good and Green just made unbelievable shots. No way we can compete next season without him.


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[Cutter]

I really love our team except for one thing. I wish we had that defensive big in the middle. I know I've always advocated a stretch four, and still do because I like having Dragic and Bledsoe and know they have never been nearly as effective without that space, but I also thought someone like Asik to anchor the middle would be good.

I know people mentioned Okafor in the past, and I kind of never gave it a second thought until recently after watching our centers in summer league. Where the hell IS Okafor? Before his injury he was still pretty good, no? Did he just never get better? Retire? Because I can't find ANY info on him.

If he could just get back to close to where he was pre-injury, he'd be worth a one year deal and could probably really help give us some inside presence and toughness.

Larry Sanders!!

I agree! Larry Sanders has the ability to be one of the top rim protecting centers in the league. And....he is only paid 11 million per year for 4 years and is 25 years old. When he is bringing his "A" game he is a great value player. When he is fighting in bars and smoking weed....not so much.

[SideSwipe]

If we did get Bledsoe on even a 44/4 contract, what does our salary look like coming into the season, and more importantly next offseason.
What do you guys think Kieff's value is gonna be, if he reaches lets say 15/7 for the season? Do you think we could get him at 7.5mil per year or is that too low?

I was just looking at this....I think we would be at about $59 million if you take the differences in Bledsoe, Tucker and add Tolliver to this list. https://docs.google.com/a/thn.org/sprea ... ing#gid=26

If he starts for PHX next year, I think he'll get to 17/8 in around 33-34 minutes. That's probably a $10 mil/year contract. Think what Hayward got at his numbers.....plus, plenty of team with $$ next year.

[SideSwipe]

I really love our team except for one thing. I wish we had that defensive big in the middle. I know I've always advocated a stretch four, and still do because I like having Dragic and Bledsoe and know they have never been nearly as effective without that space, but I also thought someone like Asik to anchor the middle would be good.

I know people mentioned Okafor in the past, and I kind of never gave it a second thought until recently after watching our centers in summer league. Where the hell IS Okafor? Before his injury he was still pretty good, no? Did he just never get better? Retire? Because I can't find ANY info on him.

If he could just get back to close to where he was pre-injury, he'd be worth a one year deal and could probably really help give us some inside presence and toughness.

Larry Sanders!!

I agree! Larry Sanders has the ability to be one of the top rim protecting centers in the league. And....he is only paid 11 million per year for 4 years and is 25 years old. When he is bringing his "A" game he is a great value player. When he is fighting in bars and smoking weed....not so much.

I have been thinking more about Sanders since the S&T to MIL discussions have come up. I don't hate his $11 mil number, it's the years he's at for it. If you take him for two years at $11 and he returns to form, it could be good, but if you are saddled for 4 years and he doesn't pan out, it is a yoke around the franchises necks during critical years for the the rest of the team.

[bwgood77]

I have been thinking more about Sanders since the S&T to MIL discussions have come up. I don't hate his $11 mil number, it's the years he's at for it. If you take him for two years at $11 and he returns to form, it could be good, but if you are saddled for 4 years and he doesn't pan out, it is a yoke around the franchises necks during critical years for the the rest of the team.

I think he'd be a nice fit if he had good character and got back to how he was before last year as a player, but he doesn't have good character and I don't think our front office would ever go for it because of that. And well, because he makes too much and he sucked last year.

[RunDogGun]

Where the loss of Frye will be felt most I think will be his ability to got to the 5 while Keef plays the 4. Plumlee and Len don't fill me with much confidence and we haven't got anybody else to play the 5.

Actually I could see Jeff running the Morrii together at the four and five a few times.

[SILERtheDEFILER]

Where the loss of Frye will be felt most I think will be his ability to got to the 5 while Keef plays the 4. Plumlee and Len don't fill me with much confidence and we haven't got anybody else to play the 5.

Actually I could see Jeff running the Morrii together at the four and five a few times.

[Sunsdeuce]

Damn, that's robbery. Not fair

@WojYahooNBA: Davis' deal is two years, $2M, with a player option on the 2015-'16 season.

@WojYahooNBA: Free agent forward Ed Davis has reached agreement on a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, league source tells Yahoo.

That tolliver deal doesn't look so hot now.

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[MilotheSlayer]

Kinda upset we didn't offer that to Ed Davis, not that we didn't. But thats a great deal for LA

[RunDogGun]

Where the loss of Frye will be felt most I think will be his ability to got to the 5 while Keef plays the 4. Plumlee and Len don't fill me with much confidence and we haven't got anybody else to play the 5.

Actually I could see Jeff running the Morrii together at the four and five a few times.

If it works, who the f*ck cares?

[DirtyDez]

The Lakers are right where we want them in the 8-12 range. Anything below that is too close for comfort given recent lotto shenanigans. Keep gettin' them checks Steve.

[Kerrsed]

Lakers stole Davis. Thats a great deal for them.

As for Bledsoe, i would be ecstatic if we could lock him down 4 years/$44M. I would hope that Dragic would be down for a similar deal, then we would have our awesome back court held down for $22M a season. That would give us free range on the other starting spots, specially with the extreme raise of the salary cap thats being expected to come along with the new TV deal.

Having a Dragic/Bledsoe back court for $22M a season will look like an outright steal in a year or two.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Ed Davis's twitter sucks. I can see why he got lowballed.

[bwgood77]

The Lakers are right where we want them in the 8-12 range. Anything below that is too close for comfort given recent lotto shenanigans. Keep gettin' them checks Steve.

I'd be kind of shocked if they were in that range. I can't see them being better than anyone in the west except maybe Utah and Sacramento. Sacramento only because they don't have a pg. Utah could be good too, especially if Exum is an immediate stud, and Hood adds value quickly. Burks was good last year. I like their young roster

Burke
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Kanter

Exum (who cold obviously start at one or two, but they should make him work for it a little bit...Burks would be a great sixth man though)

Hood

Not even sure who else they have off the bench, but that's a pretty decent roster for a young one, though Kanter hasn't been very good yet.

They will probably get another top 5 pick and could end up with the center. I'm betting Philly is aiming for Emmanuel Mudiay or whatever his name is.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm confused how ed Davis only got 2 mil a yr in this market. Good signing for the Lakers and I hate saying that.

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