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bgroban wrote:Pnjguy wrote:bgroban wrote:Lots of Bulls fans on this board. Winning the Conference? Finishing ahead of the Cavs/Wiz/Raps? Keep dreaming.
you don't follow the league a lot do you?
How will the Bulls finish #1 in the Conference? Enlighten me. I think they will finish 3-5.
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bgroban wrote:Pnjguy wrote:bgroban wrote:Lots of Bulls fans on this board. Winning the Conference? Finishing ahead of the Cavs/Wiz/Raps? Keep dreaming.
you don't follow the league a lot do you?
How will the Bulls finish #1 in the Conference? Enlighten me. I think they will finish 3-5.
Pnjguy wrote:bgroban wrote:Pnjguy wrote:
you don't follow the league a lot do you?
How will the Bulls finish #1 in the Conference? Enlighten me. I think they will finish 3-5.
They won 48 games last year and they've added Rose, Gasol, Mirotic, and McDermott.
bgroban wrote:Pnjguy wrote:bgroban wrote:
How will the Bulls finish #1 in the Conference? Enlighten me. I think they will finish 3-5.
They won 48 games last year and they've added Rose, Gasol, Mirotic, and McDermott.
Rose - major question mark, yes?
Mirotic / McDermott - unproven in the NBA
Gasol - super solid
Snell - is he going to step up in season 2?
No doubt - I think Chicago will be a good team. Just don't see them finishing at the top unless the stars align.
Jcool0 wrote:aguifs wrote:Do we have a friggin plan?
If the Bulls do, you would be complaining to much to ever hear it.
bgroban wrote:Pnjguy wrote:bgroban wrote:
How will the Bulls finish #1 in the Conference? Enlighten me. I think they will finish 3-5.
They won 48 games last year and they've added Rose, Gasol, Mirotic, and McDermott.
Rose - major question mark, yes?
Mirotic / McDermott - unproven in the NBA
Gasol - super solid
Snell - is he going to step up in season 2?
No doubt - I think Chicago will be a good team. Just don't see them finishing at the top unless the stars align.
Trader_Joe wrote:I'm kind of surprised to see so many Raptor fans not have the Nets in the playoffs and then have their team so high. Maybe that's just by default due to division standings, but in general it does appear most Rap fans have BK ranked considerably lower on average than most neutral fans.
Essentially they are saying they were beaten by a below average/non-playoff team as BK is returning pretty much the same team and regardless of any officiating conspiracies they were clearly very evenly matched.
Nets have 10 players returning.
As for who they lost:
Livingston - he was benched in the Raps series because Derozen was torching him. He was replaced by Alan Anderson (an actual 3+D guy who re-signed with the team) when down 2-3 and the Nets came back and won thanks in large part to that switch. So Livingston is essentially being replaced by Jack (a better offensive player who probably will run the 2nd unit better than Livingston as he struggled there and why we traded for Teague and signed the D-Leaguer Guitterez) at PG and Anderson (a 3+D player as opposed to a D only player) at SG.
Pierce - who, other than the block, wasn't all that impressive in the playoffs (especially on D) and his minutes will be replaced by AK, JJ, AA and Bogdanovic at SF, AK, Teletovic and Plumlee at PF. He was also the reason why the Raps were able to dominate the boards and on the inside with their size.
Blatche - who is being replaced by Lopez. Obviously Lopez is a much better player. One is an AS C, while the other can't seem to find a contract right now.
Anyway, while this may come across as a bait thread, it's not. I did not bait the entire playoff series despite the repeated attacks against BK and if you know me I don't operate that way. I remember some Rap fans at the end of the series saying they lost to the second best team in the East and took solace in that. But if they truly think Brooklyn is not a playoff team this year (despite going 34-17 in 2014 and returning a a majority of that team and looking to add their AS center), then I don't see how they could think the Raps are much of a threat in the East this year. Not much separated them 2 months ago and not much has changed roster wise since then. Either way, it just seems they are dissing their own team by "admitting" they lost to a lotto team in the playoffs just 2 months ago.
Hangtime84 wrote:bgroban wrote:Pnjguy wrote:
They won 48 games last year and they've added Rose, Gasol, Mirotic, and McDermott.
Rose - major question mark, yes?
Mirotic / McDermott - unproven in the NBA
Gasol - super solid
Snell - is he going to step up in season 2?
No doubt - I think Chicago will be a good team. Just don't see them finishing at the top unless the stars align.
You just ignored all the positive additions to the team and addressed our major weakness this off season.
Troubadour wrote:EscapoTHB wrote:Pacers
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The Nets got worse this off-season...how are they now better than the Raptors who added two quality rotation players in Lou Williams and James Johnson?
Lost Livingston and Pierce. Garnett is a year older. Lopez and Williams coming off of major surgeries.
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Trader_Joe wrote:I'm kind of surprised to see so many Raptor fans not have the Nets in the playoffs and then have their team so high. Maybe that's just by default due to division standings, but in general it does appear most Rap fans have BK ranked considerably lower on average than most neutral fans.
Essentially they are saying they were beaten by a below average/non-playoff team as BK is returning pretty much the same team and regardless of any officiating conspiracies they were clearly very evenly matched.
Nets have 10 players returning.
As for who they lost:
Livingston - he was benched in the Raps series because Derozen was torching him. He was replaced by Alan Anderson (an actual 3+D guy who re-signed with the team) when down 2-3 and the Nets came back and won thanks in large part to that switch. So Livingston is essentially being replaced by Jack (a better offensive player who probably will run the 2nd unit better than Livingston as he struggled there and why we traded for Teague and signed the D-Leaguer Guitterez) at PG and Anderson (a 3+D player as opposed to a D only player) at SG.
Pierce - who, other than the block, wasn't all that impressive in the playoffs (especially on D) and his minutes will be replaced by AK, JJ, AA and Bogdanovic at SF, AK, Teletovic and Plumlee at PF. He was also the reason why the Raps were able to dominate the boards and on the inside with their size.
Blatche - who is being replaced by Lopez. Obviously Lopez is a much better player. One is an AS C, while the other can't seem to find a contract right now.
Anyway, while this may come across as a bait thread, it's not. I did not bait the entire playoff series despite the repeated attacks against BK and if you know me I don't operate that way. I remember some Rap fans at the end of the series saying they lost to the second best team in the East and took solace in that. But if they truly think Brooklyn is not a playoff team this year (despite going 34-17 in 2014 and returning a a majority of that team and looking to add their AS center), then I don't see how they could think the Raps are much of a threat in the East this year. Not much separated them 2 months ago and not much has changed roster wise since then. Either way, it just seems they are dissing their own team by "admitting" they lost to a lotto team in the playoffs just 2 months ago.
Troubadour wrote:The Nets got worse this off-season...how are they now better than the Raptors who added two quality rotation players in Lou Williams and James Johnson?
Lost Livingston and Pierce. Garnett is a year older. Lopez and Williams coming off of major surgeries.
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DG88 wrote:Trader_Joe wrote:I'm kind of surprised to see so many Raptor fans not have the Nets in the playoffs and then have their team so high. Maybe that's just by default due to division standings, but in general it does appear most Rap fans have BK ranked considerably lower on average than most neutral fans.
Essentially they are saying they were beaten by a below average/non-playoff team as BK is returning pretty much the same team and regardless of any officiating conspiracies they were clearly very evenly matched.
Nets have 10 players returning.
As for who they lost:
Livingston - he was benched in the Raps series because Derozen was torching him. He was replaced by Alan Anderson (an actual 3+D guy who re-signed with the team) when down 2-3 and the Nets came back and won thanks in large part to that switch. So Livingston is essentially being replaced by Jack (a better offensive player who probably will run the 2nd unit better than Livingston as he struggled there and why we traded for Teague and signed the D-Leaguer Guitterez) at PG and Anderson (a 3+D player as opposed to a D only player) at SG.
Pierce - who, other than the block, wasn't all that impressive in the playoffs (especially on D) and his minutes will be replaced by AK, JJ, AA and Bogdanovic at SF, AK, Teletovic and Plumlee at PF. He was also the reason why the Raps were able to dominate the boards and on the inside with their size.
Blatche - who is being replaced by Lopez. Obviously Lopez is a much better player. One is an AS C, while the other can't seem to find a contract right now.
Anyway, while this may come across as a bait thread, it's not. I did not bait the entire playoff series despite the repeated attacks against BK and if you know me I don't operate that way. I remember some Rap fans at the end of the series saying they lost to the second best team in the East and took solace in that. But if they truly think Brooklyn is not a playoff team this year (despite going 34-17 in 2014 and returning a a majority of that team and looking to add their AS center), then I don't see how they could think the Raps are much of a threat in the East this year. Not much separated them 2 months ago and not much has changed roster wise since then. Either way, it just seems they are dissing their own team by "admitting" they lost to a lotto team in the playoffs just 2 months ago.
The Raptors and the Nets will both come out of the Atlantic this season. I still think the Raps will end up winning the division but you'll give us a run for our money.
Mikhail Prokhorov wrote:My posse usually needs another vacation after a vacation with me.
Prokorov wrote:Yea, The Nets probably dont have a high ceiling, but to count them out of the playoffs seems a bit off. We have a pretty high floor with so many veterans and the talent level.
Deron Williams | Jarrett Jack
Alan Anderson | Bojan Bogdanovic
Joe Johnson | Andrei Kirilenko
Mirza Teletovic | Mason Plumlee
Kevin Garnett | Brook Lopez
Thats the same starting lineup we finsihed the year with only with mirza in place of Pierce, and then bench you are adding brook lope to a cast of pretty solid playes. I just dont see how that team finsihes under .500, even if lopez misses time to injury
Mikhail Prokhorov wrote:My posse usually needs another vacation after a vacation with me.
Pnjguy wrote:bgroban wrote:Pnjguy wrote:
you don't follow the league a lot do you?
How will the Bulls finish #1 in the Conference? Enlighten me. I think they will finish 3-5.
They won 48 games last year and they've added Rose, Gasol, Mirotic, and McDermott.
Mikhail Prokhorov wrote:My posse usually needs another vacation after a vacation with me.
Trader_Joe wrote:DG88 wrote:Trader_Joe wrote:I'm kind of surprised to see so many Raptor fans not have the Nets in the playoffs and then have their team so high. Maybe that's just by default due to division standings, but in general it does appear most Rap fans have BK ranked considerably lower on average than most neutral fans.
Essentially they are saying they were beaten by a below average/non-playoff team as BK is returning pretty much the same team and regardless of any officiating conspiracies they were clearly very evenly matched.
Nets have 10 players returning.
As for who they lost:
Livingston - he was benched in the Raps series because Derozen was torching him. He was replaced by Alan Anderson (an actual 3+D guy who re-signed with the team) when down 2-3 and the Nets came back and won thanks in large part to that switch. So Livingston is essentially being replaced by Jack (a better offensive player who probably will run the 2nd unit better than Livingston as he struggled there and why we traded for Teague and signed the D-Leaguer Guitterez) at PG and Anderson (a 3+D player as opposed to a D only player) at SG.
Pierce - who, other than the block, wasn't all that impressive in the playoffs (especially on D) and his minutes will be replaced by AK, JJ, AA and Bogdanovic at SF, AK, Teletovic and Plumlee at PF. He was also the reason why the Raps were able to dominate the boards and on the inside with their size.
Blatche - who is being replaced by Lopez. Obviously Lopez is a much better player. One is an AS C, while the other can't seem to find a contract right now.
Anyway, while this may come across as a bait thread, it's not. I did not bait the entire playoff series despite the repeated attacks against BK and if you know me I don't operate that way. I remember some Rap fans at the end of the series saying they lost to the second best team in the East and took solace in that. But if they truly think Brooklyn is not a playoff team this year (despite going 34-17 in 2014 and returning a a majority of that team and looking to add their AS center), then I don't see how they could think the Raps are much of a threat in the East this year. Not much separated them 2 months ago and not much has changed roster wise since then. Either way, it just seems they are dissing their own team by "admitting" they lost to a lotto team in the playoffs just 2 months ago.
The Raptors and the Nets will both come out of the Atlantic this season. I still think the Raps will end up winning the division but you'll give us a run for our money.
I think so too.
But, again, I'm surprised how much lower Raps fans have ranked the Nets than neutral fans on average and what that implies or says about the Raps. Again it's basically saying, the Raps lost to a lotto team 2 months ago (or what would be a lotto team this year in the East) in the POs....and not much has changed has since then. I think emotion came into play when making these rankings by some, but in this case it makes their own team look bad. If emotion did not come into play, and most think the Nets will be this bad (again despite returning essentially the same roster), then I don't see how the Raps should be anything more than the 7th or 8th best team in the East...as in slightly better than the team they just lost to, that they were very evenly matched with.
That's kind of why I did not rank by seeding, rather a power ranking. By default someone from the Atlantic has to get a top 4 seed, but I'd rather know where that team ranks in relation to other teams, not so much where they will sit in the standings by default.
bgroban wrote:I am sorry - which "positive" additions did I leave out? Hinrich coming back? Boozer being amnestied? Between Rose/Mirotic/McD/Gasol, what other additions were made to the roster?
JohnnyNightrain wrote:How would Chicago not be the top one or two? Aside from, obviously, Cleveland, what other team has improved as much as Chicago? They've dumped Boozer, lost Augustin, but they're getting back Rose and have added Gasol, Mirotic and McDermott. Finishing between three and five? They were four last year without Rose and Deng and the Heat and Pacers, who were above them, are now weakened. Thibs can coach. Mirotic and McDermott might not be the next Dirks, but they aren't gonna be bad under Thibs.
Anyway, this is all on paper now, but looking at projected starting line-ups, who is better, position-by-position? Of course, anything can happen in terms of injuries, chemistry, trades, etc., but, saying the Bulls are a fifth seed in a still weak conference is a little ridiculous.