The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

Revived · Post #961 » by **Revived** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:19 am

spanishninja wrote:
Gorilla Warfare wrote:How do we NOT put in a bid higher than the Lakers for Boozer? $3.25 mil.?! Even if you hate the guy that is an absolute steal for him. I would have offered him $6 mil.

honestly think somebody dropped the ball on both Boozer and Davis.

The Lakers are doing the same thing the Suns are doing but with a twist.

Their stacking up on PFs while we stack up on PGs.

Both teams will be perfect trade partners come February.

aIvin adams · Post #962 » by **aIvin adams** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:20 am

NoKneeBledsoe wrote:
Not like we are going to win a Ring if Bledsoe re-signs!

WTF?

This reminds me of when I go to bible study and a guy there is like, "well Jesus was really a person but I don't think he's that person is divine." I'm always like, wtf? That's a valid opinion and I respect it, but wtf are you doing here at bible study??

Basically, what I mean is, WTF?

spanishninja · Post #963 » by **spanishninja** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:22 am

SF88 wrote:
spanishninja wrote:
Gorilla Warfare wrote:How do we NOT put in a bid higher than the Lakers for Boozer? $3.25 mil.?! Even if you hate the guy that is an absolute steal for him. I would have offered him $6 mil.

honestly think somebody dropped the ball on both Boozer and Davis.

The Lakers are doing the same thing the Suns are doing but with a twist.

Their stacking up on PFs while we stack up on PGs.

Both teams will be perfect trade partners come February.

eh, except their PFs don't come close to comparing to our PGs.

Revived · Post #964 » by **Revived** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:23 am

spanishninja wrote:
SF88 wrote:
spanishninja wrote:
honestly think somebody dropped the ball on both Boozer and Davis.

The Lakers are doing the same thing the Suns are doing but with a twist.

Their stacking up on PFs while we stack up on PGs.

Both teams will be perfect trade partners come February.

eh, except their PFs don't come close to comparing to our PGs.

For sure, ours have way better quality but I was talking about the quantity.

Stix · Post #965 » by **Stix** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:41 am

If Bledsoe really doesn't want to be here, I'd hit a S&T with LA for Randle, they can unload Nash on us to make the money work and we let him retire a Sun the way it should be. Then we can use the expiring as cap room for next Summer and try to get Gasol and Re-Sign the Dragon.

gaspar · Post #966 » by **gaspar** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:42 am

(Bledsoe)/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren
Morris/Morris/Tolliver
Plumlee/Len/Randolph

The Suns roster isn't as unbalanced as everyone makes it to be.

Safety Pickle · Post #967 » by **Safety Pickle** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:04 am

LukasBMW wrote:
Safety Pickle wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:At best Bledsoe is Russell Westbrook. At worst he is Brandon Roy.

Westbrook isn't even worth more then 12-15 million per season in my book.

If someone offers Bledsoe the max, match it.

If he pouts like a little bish, showcase him for the first half of the season and trade him before the deadline.

If he comes back fired up, let him run wild for 2 or 3 years and then think about trading him before his knee blows up, or extend him because he's played so well for us and has given management no choice but to hope his knee holds up.

BronBron: $25-30 mil per year (best player in the world)
Melo, Kevin Love, Durrant: $20-25 mil per year (superstars)
Blake Griffin, Aldridge, Chris Paul: $15-20 mil per year (consistent all stars)
Dragic, Westbrook, Parker, Ginobli, Bosh : $12-15 mil per year (borderline all stars)
<insert names here> (Key role players): $8-$12 mil per year

That's how the cap SHOULD play out if GM's didn't get into bidding wars. Where do you place Bledsoe?

That's not even remotely close to how contracts work in the real world so grouping those players and paying them based on their groupings is meaningless.

Besides he's easily worth more than that. A 2 way guard that can play lockdown defense,run an offense, and go off for 30+ points on any night is worth more than 12-15 mil.

NTB · Post #968 » by **NTB** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:22 am

Guys why the hell do you want Boozer here? We have already younger one.

Boozer in 2013-2014 season: 28 mpg, 13.7 ppg %45.6 FG.
Markieff in 2013-2014 season: 28 mpg, 13.8 ppg %48.6 FG. He has the three pointer also.

Boozer's only advantage is rebounding a little bit more than Keef. But anyway, same type player which we don't need when we have already one. We needed stretch 4 after Frye's gone and we got Tolliver.

Damkac · Post #969 » by **Damkac** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:32 am

Why do people want slow, non-shooting, non-defending back to the basket pfs? It's not what the Suns need.

thamadkant · Post #970 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:37 am

Sign and Trade for Brook Lopez?

C: Lopez/Len/Plumlee
PF: Morris/Plumlee/Morris
SF: Tucker/Warren
SG: Green/Goodwin
PG: Dragic/Thomas/Ennis

??
I just think Suns STILL need a reliable inside scorer to matchup well to teams with good perimeter defence,.

or 3 way with Pelicans

Suns
IN: Lopez + Anderson + Karasev
Out: Bledsoe + Green + Randolph + Plumlee

Pelicans
IN: Green + Randolph + future pick (Suns lottery protected)
OUT: Anderson

Nets
IN: Bledsoe + Plumlee
OUT: Lopez + Karasev

C: Lopez/Len
PF: Anderson/Morris/Morris
SF: Tucker/Warren
SG: Dragic/Goodwin/Karasev
PG: Thomas/Ennis

NTB · Post #971 » by **NTB** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:42 am

1UPZ wrote:Sign and Trade for Brook Lopez?

C: Lopez/Len/Plumlee
PF: Morris/Plumlee/Morris
SF: Tucker/Warren
SG: Green/Goodwin
PG: Dragic/Thomas/Ennis

??
I just think Suns STILL need a reliable inside scorer to matchup well to teams with good perimeter defence,.

We have already got rebounding and defending issues with Plumlee or Len at C. Now you put Lopez to kill us. I like his game but he doesn't fit here.

thamadkant · Post #972 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:46 am

Lopez is a 8 rebound 2 block a game big man…
Paired with Plumlee who is a 9 rebound 1.5 block big man…. the Suns have a "nice" big man combo… one is a dunker, the other is a back to the basket big.

NTB · Post #973 » by **NTB** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:49 am

1UPZ wrote:Lopez is a 8 rebound 2 block a game big man…
Paired with Plumlee who is a 9 rebound 1.5 block big man…. the Suns have a "nice" big man combo… one is a dunker, the other is a back to the basket big.

Hmm. I never thought that he was a good defender. Is he really a good one?

Revived · Post #974 » by **Revived** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:52 am

Puff wrote:The shame is that a guy we thought was going to be a problem to keep from other teams is a man without a team at this point and I have seen no indication that he really wants to be a Phoenix Sun.

Maybe the Clippers did the right thing to trade him, when they did.

You will be hard pressed to find a Clippers fan who would rather have a 3-4 years of Dudley than 1 year of Bledsoe.

PhxSunsFan13 · Post #975 » by **PhxSunsFan13** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:03 am

Maybe we need some insight on the whole "Bledsoe wants a max deal" talk from NotTraxxe or ray! :roll:

NTB · Post #976 » by **NTB** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:06 am

PhxSunsFan13 wrote:Maybe we need some insight on the whole "Bledsoe wants a max deal" talk from NotTraxxe or ray!

Absolutely.

NoKneeBledsoe · Post #977 » by **NoKneeBledsoe** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:40 am

It seems like everyone thinks markieff is a future all star!

Every PF anyone talked to comes back with BUT Markieff is better.

TBH he is good in his own way but more a role player than an NBA starter. We ruined him when we started letting him shoot 3s. I think he could of been a banger down low who hustles and rebounds.

sunskerr · Post #978 » by **sunskerr** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:41 am

While everyone on the Suns forum is having a sook over Ed Davis and Carlos Boozer, the fans of 29 other teams would rather have Markieff Morris ten times out of ten.

KaneSFFL · Post #979 » by **KaneSFFL** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:57 am

2 completely different options:

1. Sign and trade Bledsoe+any combination of Morri/green/picks/Len for wiggins and bad contracts...is there any chance of that happening?

2. Sign Bledsoe to a max 5 year deal with insurance on our end. Kind of like amares contract we offered. Based on minutes played or appearances...is this possible?

What do y'all think?

NaturalBuns · Post #980 » by **NaturalBuns** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:14 am

Michael Jordan seems to be putting together a competitive team.
S&T for Kemba,Zeller?

McD gets another PG for his system. Kemba a score first pg avges 17ppg.
Zeller fits this system.

Bledsoe
Stephenson
MGK
Vonleh
Jefferson

In the east that's pretty good gives them a solid shot.

We can take on one bad contract since we are far below cap.
For the suns it keeps everything flowing.