2019 Minor Leagues/Prospect Discussion Thread

Graham's Cracker · Post #821 » by **Graham's Cracker** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:20 am

There There wrote:Tinoco may be coming around. 1BB and 17Ks over his past 16 innings.

That'll play.

The heavy play on IFAs over the last few of years is starting to get intriguing. Bluefield's pitching coach has high praise for Tinoco's heater.

Graham's Cracker · Post #822 » by **Graham's Cracker** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:59 am

From Dave Cameron's FG chat today:

Comment From A. Lane
More overrated as a prospect group, flame throwers with control issues or power hitters who lack strike zone control/very high K%?

Dave Cameron: Flame throwers. Aaron Sanchez strikes me as maybe the most overrated prospect in recent history, for example.

Fairview4Life · Post #823 » by **Fairview4Life** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:10 am

Graham's Cracker wrote:From Dave Cameron's FG chat today:
Comment From A. Lane
More overrated as a prospect group, flame throwers with control issues or power hitters who lack strike zone control/very high K%?

Dave Cameron: Flame throwers. Aaron Sanchez strikes me as maybe the most overrated prospect in recent history, for example.

He probably hasn't heard about the new armslot.

Bigdaddy1980 · Post #824 » by **Bigdaddy1980** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:30 pm

Can anyone post a summary of Law's new top 50?

Avenger · Post #825 » by **Avenger** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:40 pm

Norris is the only ranked Blue Jay

37. Daniel Norris, LHP | Toronto Blue Jays

Age: 21 | Current Level: AA (New Hampshire)
Preseason Ranking: N/A
Norris has passed Aaron Sanchez as the Jays' top pitching prospect, thanks to some substantial delivery cleanup that has him more on line to the plate and better able to repeat his still-long arm action. He'll show three above-average pitches, all of which he does a good job of throwing for strikes, and a potential major-league out pitch in his slider. He's a long way from having average command, but at this time last year it was unthinkable that he'd improve enough to get a Futures Game appearance and a quick promotion to AA.

Avenger · Post #826 » by **Avenger** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:42 pm

Graham's Cracker wrote:From Dave Cameron's FG chat today:
Comment From A. Lane
More overrated as a prospect group, flame throwers with control issues or power hitters who lack strike zone control/very high K%?

Dave Cameron: Flame throwers. Aaron Sanchez strikes me as maybe the most overrated prospect in recent history, for example.

Its the same thing many of us have been saying for years, its just outrageous that a guy who has never posted even a 2-1 K to BB ratio(around 1.3 to 1 in recent years) is considered a good prospect let alone an elite one.

He still has a future as a reliever sure but he's shown absolutely nothing in his career that would suggest he could start at the major league level.

Randle McMurphy · Post #827 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:59 pm

If there are any teams out there that still view him as a top prospect due to his stuff, it might be time to deal him. It's his 5th professional season and Sanchez still has no command.

Michael Bradley · Post #828 » by **Michael Bradley** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:03 pm

I can't imagine the list of starters who had successful MLB careers with K/9's around 6 in the minors are that high.

If teams still view Sanchez highly, it definitely might be a good time to move him. Even if it is a prospect for prospect trade (for a 2B/SS?).

-MetA4- · Post #829 » by **-MetA4-** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:00 pm

Michael Bradley wrote:I can't imagine the list of starters who had successful MLB careers with K/9's around 6 in the minors are that high.

The K-Rate is inconsequential because Sanchez is an elite groundball pitcher. There is no worry for me there. Henderson Alvarez fits the exact same bill. The question mark on Sanchez is whether he will be able to command the strike zone well enough for his stuff to deal damage, not his "declining K rate". When he is commanding his pitches he is incredibly hard to square up because everything moves. Whether he is striking guys out or inducing weak ground balls is irrelevant.

vaff87 · Post #830 » by **vaff87** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:06 am

-MetA4- wrote:
Michael Bradley wrote:I can't imagine the list of starters who had successful MLB careers with K/9's around 6 in the minors are that high.

The K-Rate is inconsequential because Sanchez is an elite groundball pitcher. There is no worry for me there. Henderson Alvarez fits the exact same bill. The question mark on Sanchez is whether he will be able to command the strike zone well enough for his stuff to deal damage, not his "declining K rate". When he is commanding his pitches he is incredibly hard to square up because everything moves. Whether he is striking guys out or inducing weak ground balls is irrelevant.

This is just a guess, but my assumption is Sanchez simply focuses on getting the ball over the plate instead of striking guys out. Obviously, his weakness is his command, so they would want to limit that by not trying to be "too fine", while his strength is his great stuff that will induce a lot of weak contact if it's around the zone.

Michael Bradley · Post #831 » by **Michael Bradley** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:07 am

-MetA4- wrote:
Michael Bradley wrote:I can't imagine the list of starters who had successful MLB careers with K/9's around 6 in the minors are that high.

The K-Rate is inconsequential because Sanchez is an elite groundball pitcher. There is no worry for me there. Henderson Alvarez fits the exact same bill. The question mark on Sanchez is whether he will be able to command the strike zone well enough for his stuff to deal damage, not his "declining K rate". When he is commanding his pitches he is incredibly hard to square up because everything moves. Whether he is striking guys out or inducing weak ground balls is irrelevant.

Actually, I didn't proof read my post. I meant BB/9.

Graham's Cracker · Post #832 » by **Graham's Cracker** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:40 am

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xAIRNESSx · Post #833 » by **xAIRNESSx** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:22 am

Apparently Deck McGuire has been DFA'd.

Graham's Cracker · Post #834 » by **Graham's Cracker** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:52 am

Barreto 2-4 w/ a pair of triples and 4 rbi. Max was 1-5 with a SB.

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Michael Bradley · Post #835 » by **Michael Bradley** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:17 am

Barreto looks like he should be accelerated a bit through the system (Rough Odor style). His bat looks legit so far.

Avenger · Post #836 » by **Avenger** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:08 pm

and move him to second base while we're at it.

The slight bump in walk rate is nice, its obvious he has an elite hit tool but if he draws a few more walks he'll be a monster with a bat that plays anywhere.

It'd be interesting to see if he gets bumped up to the MWL, when was the last time we had an 18 year old(and a legit one at that) in full season A ?

dagger · Post #837 » by **dagger** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:28 pm

Graham's Cracker wrote:Barreto 2-4 w/ a pair of triples and 4 rbi. Max was 1-5 with a SB.

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Also, his 13th error.

There There · Post #838 » by **There There** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:52 pm

Michael Bradley wrote:Barreto looks like he should be accelerated a bit through the system (Rough Odor style). His bat looks legit so far.

The bat could probably have played in low A back in April.

The extended ST stint and subsequent assignment to Vancouver was all about allowing him the opportunity to stick at short for now.

I don't mind it too much... he's stupid young, so there's no need to close the door on short just yet. And I'm assuming if they move him off, they may look at CF, so for now you need to keep him and DJ Davis on different assignments.

If he's mashing at Lansing next season, it'll be interesting to see what position they put him at when/if he gets the mid season bump to Dunedin, assuming Lugo is there playing short.

Lots of variables between now and then, but something to keep an eye out for.

Graham's Cracker · Post #839 » by **Graham's Cracker** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:48 pm

Two Jays crack BA's Hot Sheet:

#9 Dawel Lugo

The Scoop: Lugo has natural bat-to-ball skills, with a strong, thick frame that should portend more power in the future. That power started to show up this week, when he popped two of his three home runs on the season, bringing his slash line up to .290/.312/.375 in 81 games. Sometimes, superior hand-eye coordination can be both a gift and a curse, as Lugo is capable of making contact on balls out of the zone, so he’s still learning to work the count and get a good pitch to hit.

#10 Miguel Castro

The Scoop: The buzz surrounding the 6-foot-5 Castro began when he dominated the Dominican Summer League last year. He then came over to the Gulf Coast League and continued to show a big fastball capable of scraping triple digits. He’s been one of the best pitchers in the Northwest League this season, sitting in the mid-90s and flashing a potentially above-average changeup, which has helped him keep his ERA at 2.43 with 35 strikeouts in 33 1/3 innings.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/prospect-hot-sheet-july-18/

dagger · Post #840 » by **dagger** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:00 pm

Barreto was 4-5 today with three RBIs, as Vancouver pounded out 14 hits (all singles).

Pentecost was 2-4.

McBroom was 1-3 with 4 RBIs

Only downer: Barreto with his 14th error