The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[AtheJ415]

I wouldn't ever give up both Bledsoe and a lottery pick for Randle. That's an overpay.

I think Bledsoe is traded within a week. And hope so.

Love the Bledsoe for Nash and Randall proposal. I would even give them their pick back. It's top-five protected anyway. Any doubts they to get to use it next year? Lock up Randall now. If there are no questions about his health, you won't be able to do much better in next years draft.

Or sign the QO and ship him to Cleveland for Bennett or Thompson straight up. Let LeBron take care of his little buddy.

And then there's always Detroit and Smith or Monroe... Maybe a three-way with sac town


No doubt McD is working the phones. There is a deal out there and he will find it.

[RunDogGun]

As far as trading with the Lakers, either there is no way in heck we give them back that pick, or we also add protection on it. Something like 6-15 protected.

[RunDogGun]

wtf happened to Taj gibson's six year old cousin? Stabbed to death?

[carey]

2) come back to the negotiating table, drop the years from 5 to 4 and start around 4 years 56m

No thank you. That's $14M/yr and too much for his services. Can we all stop pretending that him walking will set this franchise back? We'll have the cap space, he'll have his money... from someone else. 3 surgeries on the same knee, high turnover rate, shaky jump shot, missed half a full season last year. That equals a max salary? Buh-bye Mr. Joe Carry On.

[AtheJ415]

Interesting. Rich Paul obviously isn't very good at his job, but I wouldn't expect anyone who thought the decision was a good idea to be good. If Kyle Lowry isn't getting the max despite proving a lot more than Bledsoe I'm not sure what he was expecting. Hayward and Parsons are SF where there isn't the depth of talent there is at PG. SF will get bid up, PG will get bid down.

People on the board need to stop freaking out and saying to get something for him now (like the ultra terrible Anthony Bennett or Zach Lavine who is all potential and wasn't even productive in college) or to up the offer to 60 million. It doesn't matter what Bledsoe wants--it only matters what he can get. The suns aren't going to bid against themselves and nobody has the room to even offer the max anymore. If we pay more than 4/44 I'll be disappointed. Of course Bledsoe wants the max--Rubio wants the max, as do a ton of players, but Bledsoe isn't getting the max and he hasn't been able to get an offer sheet higher than the Suns offer.

I'm with NotTraxxe--start reducing the offer.

Bledsoe shot himself in the foot early. He had a team curious about a near max deal ready for him to sign and he demanded max. That team then went on without him. And his market collapsed.

I would honestly tell him: 4/32 or take the QO. If you get an offer higher than that we'll match but let the market determine your worth. Front load the contract to make our cap situation better down the line.

But that's why I'm not the owner.

Dare him to take the QO. Then when he signs for less just trade him for something valuable if IT works out.

[Fo-Real]

Was all for bringing him back for even like 12-13 if it came to it, but 16... he can go F@#K himself. What can we get for him. I would be estatic if we could add him in the Minny Cavs deal with him also going to Minny and get Lavine and another asset for him.

[Superhuman]

wtf happened to Taj gibson's six year old cousin? Stabbed to death?

Yea it happened last month. There's some really **** disgusting people out there.

[BobbieL]

2) come back to the negotiating table, drop the years from 5 to 4 and start around 4 years 56m

No thank you. That's $14M/yr and too much for his services. Can we all stop pretending that him walking will set this franchise back? We'll have the cap space, he'll have his money... from someone else. 3 surgeries on the same knee, high turnover rate, shaky jump shot, missed half a full season last year. That equals a max salary? Buh-bye Mr. Joe Carry On.

You misinterpreted my comments. I am not saying the Suns give him 56/4 - I am saying that is more realistic to start talks with the Suns again.

I still think the Suns have leverage - BUT - the Suns might be amenable to 52/4. But, if the demands are 80/5 - the Suns do not need to budge one bit.

If Bledsoe and Paul were willing to start at closer to market value - the Suns might be inclined to move a few million north of 48/4.

But until that happens Suns have ZERO reason to move and I don't blame them one bit.

[Flying Colors]

wtf happened to Taj gibson's six year old cousin? Stabbed to death?

Yes he was stabbed to death by someone in an elevator

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... e-stabbing

The attacker needs to rot in hell

[bwgood77]

How about this:

S&T Bledsoe to DET
S&T Monroe to ATL
Horford to PHX
or
Millsap + Carroll to PHX

Who says no?

I really think only the Bucks and Pistons have movable parts that could involve Bledsoe.

This is unless PHI think an MCW/Bledsoe back-court could work...then they either max him outright or we do a S&T and get Thad Young for him?

This is of course a insane idea, but does IND think for a second about re-signed Bledsoe, Green, Mook, MIN 1st and LAL 1st?

That's not a terrible idea. I don't think they'd trade Horford unless they are concerned about his injury status, but we'd have to be not concerned about it.

The Millsap one might be worth it if we could re-sign him. He's better than Kieff. We could throw in Tolliver to give them a backup 4 for Horford insurance and Kieff/Mook could come off the bench together.

I would only think about doing this if Bledsoe doesn't agree to 4/50 or less....possibly 4/52. But there really isn't any reason to go up any more. Millsap would work well with Dragic and Kieff off the bench makes our bench even better. I'm fine with Kieff starting but that kind of depth is nice. If Millsap left in the offseason, Kieff could start but we'd have money to try and get a free agent again. I think IT and Bledsoe would actually be a good starting backcourt. We'd lose some defense but IT is better than Bledsoe offensively and less injury prone. And PG defense is quite overrated. Having the inside presence is much more important to stop opposing point guards.

[BobbieL]

Interesting. Rich Paul obviously isn't very good at his job, but I wouldn't expect anyone who thought the decision was a good idea to be good. If Kyle Lowry isn't getting the max despite proving a lot more than Bledsoe I'm not sure what he was expecting. Hayward and Parsons are SF where there isn't the depth of talent there is at PG. SF will get bid up, PG will get bid down.

People on the board need to stop freaking out and saying to get something for him now (like the ultra terrible Anthony Bennett or Zach Lavine who is all potential and wasn't even productive in college) or to up the offer to 60 million. It doesn't matter what Bledsoe wants--it only matters what he can get. The suns aren't going to bid against themselves and nobody has the room to even offer the max anymore. If we pay more than 4/44 I'll be disappointed. Of course Bledsoe wants the max--Rubio wants the max, as do a ton of players, but Bledsoe isn't getting the max and he hasn't been able to get an offer sheet higher than the Suns offer.

I'm with NotTraxxe--start reducing the offer.

Bledsoe shot himself in the foot early. He had a team curious about a near max deal ready for him to sign and he demanded max. That team then went on without him. And his market collapsed.

I would honestly tell him: 4/32 or take the QO. If you get an offer higher than that we'll match but let the market determine your worth. Front load the contract to make our cap situation better down the line.

But that's why I'm not the owner.

Dare him to take the QO. Then when he signs for less just trade him for something valuable if IT works out.

Bledsoes mistake was his agent. Anybody can be the agent for LeBron as I said earlier in the thread. The Miami deal - no agent had any say, that was all Wade, Bosh and LeBron working with Riles to make the numbers work. This deal - LeBrons number was "max" - that's easy.

I am not saying the Suns should lower the offer - but maybe they should look into sign and trade possibilies for him

Lakers: Randle, unprotect the pick, Nash and maybe another part for Bledsoe

Dallas - would Monte Ellis and draft picks be okay? Two more years,8.3m - would be able to keep Dragic and get a first rounder from the Mavs maybe. Not as good as the Lakers - but a chance

[carey]

But until that happens Suns have ZERO reason to move and I don't blame them one bit.

Yeah, that I agree with. I honestly wouldn't budge off 4/44 myself. I just don't value the player as highly as everyone else. You want a little extra on your contract? Then you take a page from Goran Dragic. That kid wants to be here. He truly represents the Suns. Bledsoe hasn't said squat about our team since his exit interview. I don't begrudge a man trying to get the most from his services, but when it's entirely unrealistic and you're kind of stringing my franchise along? You can just peace out whenever you like.

[aIvin adams]

Everything is fine

Everyone is OK

Bledsoe is a Phoenix Sun.

Breathe..

[bwgood77]

Bledsoe shot himself in the foot early. He had a team curious about a near max deal ready for him to sign and he demanded max. That team then went on without him. And his market collapsed.

I would honestly tell him: 4/32 or take the QO. If you get an offer higher than that we'll match but let the market determine your worth. Front load the contract to make our cap situation better down the line.

But that's why I'm not the owner.

Dare him to take the QO. Then when he signs for less just trade him for something valuable if IT works out.

Yeah, I was thinking at some point I'd probably say to take the 4/48 in the next 24 hours or the offer goes down to 4/44 and you can take it or leave it, sit out the year, go overseas, or play for the QO. No need to do it yet, but if this is still going on in Sept I'd do it.

[NotTraxxe]

If I were the Suns I'd get in Bron's agents ear and whisper here is how you salvage this.

Bledsoe S&T, the Twins, and Green.

Get back Waiters/Wiggins/TT and whatever else

Irving/Bledsoe/Lebron/Kief/Varejao. Green, Bennett, Allen and Miller bench.

Suns:

Thomas/Dragic/Wiggins/Thompson/Plumlee
Goodwin/Waiters/Tucker/Tolli/Len
Ennis/Warren

Ink up Dragic long term.

Ninja can dream. Ninja can dream.

[0013]

Interesting. Rich Paul obviously isn't very good at his job, but I wouldn't expect anyone who thought the decision was a good idea to be good. If Kyle Lowry isn't getting the max despite proving a lot more than Bledsoe I'm not sure what he was expecting. Hayward and Parsons are SF where there isn't the depth of talent there is at PG. SF will get bid up, PG will get bid down.

People on the board need to stop freaking out and saying to get something for him now (like the ultra terrible Anthony Bennett or Zach Lavine who is all potential and wasn't even productive in college) or to up the offer to 60 million. It doesn't matter what Bledsoe wants--it only matters what he can get. The suns aren't going to bid against themselves and nobody has the room to even offer the max anymore. If we pay more than 4/44 I'll be disappointed. Of course Bledsoe wants the max--Rubio wants the max, as do a ton of players, but Bledsoe isn't getting the max and he hasn't been able to get an offer sheet higher than the Suns offer.

I'm with NotTraxxe--start reducing the offer.

Bledsoe shot himself in the foot early. He had a team curious about a near max deal ready for him to sign and he demanded max. That team then went on without him. And his market collapsed.

I would honestly tell him: 4/32 or take the QO. If you get an offer higher than that we'll match but let the market determine your worth. Front load the contract to make our cap situation better down the line.

But that's why I'm not the owner.

Dare him to take the QO. Then when he signs for less just trade him for something valuable if IT works out.

Bledsoes mistake was his agent. Anybody can be the agent for LeBron as I said earlier in the thread. The Miami deal - no agent had any say, that was all Wade, Bosh and LeBron working with Riles to make the numbers work. This deal - LeBrons number was "max" - that's easy.

I am not saying the Suns should lower the offer - but maybe they should look into sign and trade possibilies for him

Lakers: Randle, unprotect the pick, Nash and maybe another part for Bledsoe

Dallas - would Monte Ellis and draft picks be okay? Two more years,8.3m - would be able to keep Dragic and get a first rounder from the Mavs maybe. Not as good as the Lakers - but a chance

Between the business with Bledsoe favoriting the "Lakers should make him an offer" tweet and the 5/84 contract demand, he should be dealt IMO. I like that Lakers deal personally and it would not surprise me if McD was on the phone with Kupchak already. Nash could teach IT and Ennis quite a bit. Bring MVSteve home so he can retire properly.

[Qwigglez]

Good on Traxxe, lol. I would just do a straight Wiggins for Bledsoe deal but hey if we can get waiters and TT back too, sign me up!
But seriously, I think we would be able to pull off Wiggins for Bledsoe/Suns 2015 1st, then the Cavs would still have enough to pull off a Love deal when Minny gets desperate.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Bledsoe shot himself in the foot early. He had a team curious about a near max deal ready for him to sign and he demanded max. That team then went on without him. And his market collapsed.

I would honestly tell him: 4/32 or take the QO. If you get an offer higher than that we'll match but let the market determine your worth. Front load the contract to make our cap situation better down the line.

But that's why I'm not the owner.

Dare him to take the QO. Then when he signs for less just trade him for something valuable if IT works out.

maybe I'm reading this wrong or the rule changed in the new CBA but I was under the impression that if he signed the QO he would have to approve any trade.



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[NotTraxxe]

Dreams are free...

Bledsoe will be on the Suns next year I think. That's just my opinion.

[bwgood77]

If I were the Suns I'd get in Bron's agents ear and whisper here is how you salvage this.

Bledsoe S&T, the Twins, and Green.

Get back Waiters/Wiggins/TT and whatever else

Irving/Bledsoe/Lebron/Kief/Varejao. Green, Bennett, Allen and Miller bench.

Suns:

Thomas/Dragic/Wiggins/Thompson/Plumlee
Goodwin/Waiters/Tucker/Tolli/Len
Ennis/Warren

Ink up Dragic long term.

Ninja can dream. Ninja can dream.

Wait, who was the team ready to give Bledsoe the close to max offer but he was demanding the max? (that you mentioned in previous post I quoted above)?