The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[BobbieL]

If I were the Suns I'd get in Bron's agents ear and whisper here is how you salvage this.

Bledsoe S&T, the Twins, and Green.

Get back Waiters/Wiggins/TT and whatever else

Irving/Bledsoe/Lebron/Kief/Varejao. Green, Bennett, Allen and Miller bench.

Suns:

Thomas/Dragic/Wiggins/Thompson/Plumlee
Goodwin/Waiters/Tucker/Tolli/Len
Ennis/Warren

Ink up Dragic long term.

Ninja can dream. Ninja can dream.

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I wouldn't mind this at all because Waiters would be the two of the future; Wiggins the 3 and Thompson for depth. Not sure the suns need to give up Green though

either this trade or engage the Lakers with Bledsoe for Nash, Randle and unprotect your pick and include a 2019 number 1 pick

[sunsbum]

If I were the Suns I'd get in Bron's agents ear and whisper here is how you salvage this.

Bledsoe S&T, the Twins, and Green.

Get back Waiters/Wiggins/TT and whatever else

Irving/Bledsoe/Lebron/Kief/Varejao. Green, Bennett, Allen and Miller bench.

Suns:

Thomas/Dragic/Wiggins/Thompson/Plumlee
Goodwin/Waiters/Tucker/Tolli/Len
Ennis/Warren

Ink up Dragic long term.

Ninja can dream. Ninja can dream.

that trades makes us worse.

[bhawk]

I'd like to be a fly on the wall:

Bledsoe: Yo, Bron, why you playing me like this? I've got to fire Rich Paul.

Bron: No, bro, you can't do that. It will ruin him. Tristan will fire him too...

Bledsoe: Then tell him to GET ME PAID!

Bron: Let me talk to Dan Gilbert. He's my bitch.

Bledsoe: Show me the MONEY!!!!

Maybe the only reason Bron and Bled are boys if because Bron get's a cut of Rich Paul's commissions?

[AtheJ415]

In the short term yes, but you do it to get Wiggins. If Wiggins was on the table Phx would have to do that. Get younger and expand the window to contend down the road (like Indy with Luck v. Peyton).

If I were the Suns I'd get in Bron's agents ear and whisper here is how you salvage this.

Bledsoe S&T, the Twins, and Green.

Get back Waiters/Wiggins/TT and whatever else

Irving/Bledsoe/Lebron/Kief/Varejao. Green, Bennett, Allen and Miller bench.

Suns:

Thomas/Dragic/Wiggins/Thompson/Plumlee
Goodwin/Waiters/Tucker/Tolli/Len
Ennis/Warren

Ink up Dragic long term.

Ninja can dream. Ninja can dream.

that trades makes us worse.

[BobbieL]

In the short term yes, but you do it to get Wiggins. If Wiggins was on the table Phx would have to do that. Get younger and expand the window to contend down the road (like Indy with Luck v. Peyton).

If I were the Suns I'd get in Bron's agents ear and whisper here is how you salvage this.

Bledsoe S&T, the Twins, and Green.

Get back Waiters/Wiggins/TT and whatever else

Irving/Bledsoe/Lebron/Kief/Varejao. Green, Bennett, Allen and Miller bench.

Suns:

Thomas/Dragic/Wiggins/Thompson/Plumlee
Goodwin/Waiters/Tucker/Tolli/Len
Ennis/Warren

Ink up Dragic long term.

Ninja can dream. Ninja can dream.

that trades makes us worse.

I think there are three teams: Cavs; Lakers for Randle/Nash and unprotect that pick and option 3 - the Mavs for Ellis and a future first rounder

[matt131]

If the Cavs trade Wiggins, it'll be for Love, not a second point guard. Yes, it'd be amazing to have Wiggins on the Suns, but it's not going to happen.

That Laker deal is interesting, but only if they unprotect the pick. I'm not super high on Randle, but we'd have two young front court players that show promise. The only problem there is giving them both minutes. Keef and Randle probably can't be on the court at the same time; it'd be tough to give Keef the minutes he deserves and Randle time to grow. Granted, Randle would be an asset for sure (and it might be easier to move Keef if we had Randle).

I just wish there was a team out there with a plethora of huge, athletic, defensive, low-post scoring bigs who desperately wanted a maxed-out, injury-prone point guard.

[Dr Manute]

I would honestly tell him: 4/32 or take the QO. If you get an offer higher than that we'll match but let the market determine your worth. Front load the contract to make our cap situation better down the line.

But that's why I'm not the owner.

Dare him to take the QO. Then when he signs for less just trade him for something valuable if IT works out.

This is exactly what I would do if I was the Suns. As a Suns fan, the fact he favorited that Laker tweet is a kick to the groin. I would rather make IT the starter now.

[BobbieL]

If the Cavs trade Wiggins, it'll be for Love, not a second point guard. Yes, it'd be amazing to have Wiggins on the Suns, but it's not going to happen.

That Laker deal is interesting, but only if they unprotect the pick. I'm not super high on Randle, but we'd have two young front court players that show promise. The only problem there is giving them both minutes. Keef and Randle probably can't be on the court at the same time; it'd be tough to give Keef the minutes he deserves and Randle time to grow. Granted, Randle would be an asset for sure (and it might be easier to move Keef if we had Randle).

I just wish there was a team out there with a plethora of huge, athletic, defensive, low-post scoring bigs who desperately wanted a maxed-out, injury-prone point guard.

I am only doing the Laker deal if that pick is unprotected as taking back Nash is not really a gain for the Suns - its a gain for the Lakers. But the only way the deal can work numbers wise . I would not be worried about Markieff and Randle together. I just want good players on the roster. Lakers don't have anything else to offer so that would have to be the deal - and they just got Lin so not sure how Bledsoe works. But for me, that would be the best the Lakers could do: Nash, Randle and unprotect the pick

Cavs would be nice

I think at this point - if Bledsoe is set on max dollars - engage the Lakers. I forgot about Kyrie - CAvs not an option unless LBJ wants him

This is far from over..

[bwgood77]

Lakers won't trade for him. If they wanted him they would have given him an offer sheet. They want a clean cap sheet in 2016. I doubt they want another injury prone pg from us.

This is what I would consider doing if this is going on in mid August and Sacramento hasn't traded for Josh Smith (or maybe even if they have, depending on who they gave up).

Offer him to Sacramento in a S&T for:

Stauskas
First round pick

And this salary filler to make the salaries match...these guys are expiring so no harm done:

Derrick Williams
Jason Terry

Those combined salaries equal $14.92 million, but $12.2 comes off the books next summer.

As Gaspar mentioned, we are rebuilding and can't be maxing out this current roster for an 8 seed but should add more assets. Stauskas and a high pick would be nice.

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[Dr Manute]

If Rich Paul wants to get him the max, he's going to have to find another team and help orchestrate a S&T. Time to earn that commision. Good luck!

Rich Paul, what made you think you had the qualifications to be a sports agent? Rich Paul = what an incompetent amateur!

[Puff]

It really is useless putting together trade scenarios in regards to Bledsoe unless you want junk back. At this point no one has determined his value so how can you make a trade?

We have given he an his agent more than enough time to secure an offer but no other team has made one. I highly doubt anyone would trade for him if they thought he would demand the max if traded to their team. This means even sign and trade deals are off the table until we mutually agree to something, less than the max.

As more facts come out it is hard to blame our front office for the impasse that exists.

I expect he will play out his option and become an unrestricted free agent next summer. I also expect that is what McDonough hopes as well but he just can't say it. If he does he will appear in some eyes that he doesn't want him.

I think we all want him, for the right price.

If he has a spectacular season we will still be able to offer him the most money and the most years, we just will not be able to match.

[JDLAW]

If the Cavs trade Wiggins, it'll be for Love, not a second point guard. Yes, it'd be amazing to have Wiggins on the Suns, but it's not going to happen.

That Laker deal is interesting, but only if they unprotect the pick. I'm not super high on Randle, but we'd have two young front court players that show promise. The only problem there is giving them both minutes. Keef and Randle probably can't be on the court at the same time; it'd be tough to give Keef the minutes he deserves and Randle time to grow. Granted, Randle would be an asset for sure (and it might be easier to move Keef if we had Randle).

I just wish there was a team out there with a plethora of huge, athletic, defensive, low-post scoring bigs who desperately wanted a maxed-out, injury-prone point guard.

I am only doing the Laker deal if that pick is unprotected as taking back Nash is not really a gain for the Suns - its a gain for the Lakers. But the only way the deal can work numbers wise . I would not be worried about Markieff and Randle together. I just want good players on the roster. Lakers don't have anything else to offer so that would have to be the deal - and they just got Lin so not sure how Bledsoe works. But for me, that would be the best the Lakers could do: Nash, Randle and unprotect the pick

Cavs would be nice

I think at this point - if Bledsoe is set on max dollars - engage the Lakers. I forgot about Kyrie - CAvs not an option unless LBJ wants him

This is far from over..

None of these are realistic trades. Suns are not taking Nash back to get Randall for Bledsoe. There is no evidence the Suns ever had any interest in Randall.

There is no Cavs "deal" - they are not getting Wiggins for Bledsoe and the Morris Twins.

S&T options are limited to any team that would be willing to pay the max and he would be willing to play for.

So far no teams have indicated a willingness to pay the max for him.

[ChiBulls09]

Bulls fan here, just saw the wiretap about Bledsoe rejecting the $12 mil/year offer. That's a bit ridiculous he rejected that, it's a fair deal, but Bledsoe isn't worth the max. IMO, he's a top-20 PG for sure, but asking for that kind of money is ridiculous..

[BobbieL]

Lakers won't trade for him. If they wanted him they would have given him an offer sheet. They want a clean cap sheet in 2016. I doubt they want another injury prone pg from us.

This is what I would consider doing if this is going on in mid August and Sacramento hasn't traded for Josh Smith (or maybe even if they have, depending on who they gave up).

Offer him to Sacramento in a S&T for:

Stauskas
First round pick

And this salary filler to make the salaries match...these guys are expiring so no harm done:

Derrick Williams
Jason Terry

Those combined salaries equal $14.92 million, but $12.2 comes off the books next summer.

As Gaspar mentioned, we are rebuilding and can't be maxing out this current roster for an 8 seed but should add more assets. Stauskas and a high pick would be nice.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EBled2/status/489932881729294336[/tweet]

You are right about the Lakers but they were also chasing Carmelo so who the hell knows what they were doing with their cap

But your Sacramento trade - he can play with Cousins. And if they don't get Josh Smith. Though they just got Collison - but he is cheap. I like it: Stauskus, a number 1 and filler for Bledsoe.

[bwgood77]

It really is useless putting together trade scenarios in regards to Bledsoe unless you want junk back. At this point no one has determined his value so how can you make a trade?

We have given he an his agent more than enough time to secure an offer but no other team has made one. I highly doubt anyone would trade for him if they thought he would demand the max if traded to their team. This means even sign and trade deals are off the table until we mutually agree to something, less than the max.

As more facts come out it is hard to blame our front office for the impasse that exists.

I expect he will play out his option and become an unrestricted free agent next summer. I also expect that is what McDonough hopes as well but he just can't say it. If he does he will appear in some eyes that he doesn't want him.

I think we all want him, for the right price.

If he has a spectacular season we will still be able to offer him the most money and the most years, we just will not be able to match.

The only reason I brought up Sacramento is because they seem to be not averse to overpaying guys (trading for Gay, trying to trade for Josh Smith, giving Cousins the max before he became a RFA, etc) and they need a PG.

[NTB]

If Bledsoe leaves us, our only defender will be Tucker and Plumlee/Len.

[BobbieL]

It really is useless putting together trade scenarios in regards to Bledsoe unless you want junk back. At this point no one has determined his value so how can you make a trade?

We have given he an his agent more than enough time to secure an offer but no other team has made one. I highly doubt anyone would trade for him if they thought he would demand the max if traded to their team. This means even sign and trade deals are off the table until we mutually agree to something, less than the max.

As more facts come out it is hard to blame our front office for the impasse that exists.

I expect he will play out his option and become an unrestricted free agent next summer. I also expect that is what McDonough hopes as well but he just can't say it. If he does he will appear in some eyes that he doesn't want him.

I think we all want him, for the right price.

If he has a spectacular season we will still be able to offer him the most money and the most years, we just will not be able to match.

The only reason I brought up Sacramento is because they seem to be not averse to overpaying guys (trading for Gay, trying to trade for Josh Smith, giving Cousins the max before he became a RFA, etc) and they need a PG.

Sac town makes sense for the reasons you gave. I didn't read the full report but Aldridge had a tweet about why a lousy team is so far over the cap. The team was Sacramento

[sunsbum]

Lakers won't trade for him. If they wanted him they would have given him an offer sheet. They want a clean cap sheet in 2016. I doubt they want another injury prone pg from us.

This is what I would consider doing if this is going on in mid August and Sacramento hasn't traded for Josh Smith (or maybe even if they have, depending on who they gave up).

Offer him to Sacramento in a S&T for:

Stauskas
First round pick

And this salary filler to make the salaries match...these guys are expiring so no harm done:

Derrick Williams
Jason Terry

Those combined salaries equal $14.92 million, but $12.2 comes off the books next summer.

As Gaspar mentioned, we are rebuilding and can't be maxing out this current roster for an 8 seed but should add more assets. Stauskas and a high pick would be nice.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EBled2/status/489932881729294336[/tweet]

I'd love Nik but I don't think it would be fair to ask for a first round pick on top of him unless they own someone's super late first. Maybe a couple of seconds. Im on board with everything else though!

[STEV13]

If Bledsoe leaves us, our only defender will be Tucker and Plumlee/Len.

Suns shouldn't let him walk for nothing though. S&T to get some assets back or match the damn offer (if he even receives a sheet).

[BobbieL]

If the Cavs trade Wiggins, it'll be for Love, not a second point guard. Yes, it'd be amazing to have Wiggins on the Suns, but it's not going to happen.

That Laker deal is interesting, but only if they unprotect the pick. I'm not super high on Randle, but we'd have two young front court players that show promise. The only problem there is giving them both minutes. Keef and Randle probably can't be on the court at the same time; it'd be tough to give Keef the minutes he deserves and Randle time to grow. Granted, Randle would be an asset for sure (and it might be easier to move Keef if we had Randle).

I just wish there was a team out there with a plethora of huge, athletic, defensive, low-post scoring bigs who desperately wanted a maxed-out, injury-prone point guard.

I am only doing the Laker deal if that pick is unprotected as taking back Nash is not really a gain for the Suns - its a gain for the Lakers. But the only way the deal can work numbers wise . I would not be worried about Markieff and Randle together. I just want good players on the roster. Lakers don't have anything else to offer so that would have to be the deal - and they just got Lin so not sure how Bledsoe works. But for me, that would be the best the Lakers could do: Nash, Randle and unprotect the pick

Cavs would be nice

I think at this point - if Bledsoe is set on max dollars - engage the Lakers. I forgot about Kyrie - CAvs not an option unless LBJ wants him

This is far from over..

None of these are realistic trades. Suns are not taking Nash back to get Randall for Bledsoe. There is no evidence the Suns ever had any interest in Randall.

There is no Cavs "deal" - they are not getting Wiggins for Bledsoe and the Morris Twins.

S&T options are limited to any team that would be willing to pay the max and he would be willing to play for.

So far no teams have indicated a willingness to pay the max for him.

Hard to say if there was evidence. Just because it wasn't reported by Gambo doesn't mean the Suns wouldn't want Randle.

I agree the Cavs trade is a long shot as is any S&T

More just fansterbating and speculating if Bledsoe were to be on the market - who would the partners be