Trade Ideas - Part 2

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Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
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Plenty of folks around NBA predict Kevin Love will eventually ask TWolves to trade him to CLE. Not a fact, but it is a belief.



This could be why Minnesota wants to do a deal sooner rather then later, the moment he asks for a deal to Cleveland and Cleveland alone, the cavs get Love for pennies on the dollar.

They still don't have to trade him though. It's not like Love is going to hold out. This isn't the NFL

[CavsKSU25]

Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
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Plenty of folks around NBA predict Kevin Love will eventually ask TWolves to trade him to CLE. Not a fact, but it is a belief.



This could be why Minnesota wants to do a deal sooner rather then later, the moment he asks for a deal to Cleveland and Cleveland alone, the cavs get Love for pennies on the dollar.

They still don't have to trade him though. It's not like Love is going to hold out. This isn't the NFL

So you lose him for nothing, no big deal on our part. Wont hurt our franchise. If its true about Love eventually asking for a trade just to Cleveland then The Cavs should just wait til that plays out and get him for Waiters, Thompson and a future first.

[Niko23]

Thompson can also play the 5 in some stretches We do not want AV playing more than30mpg.

Love 35/Thompson 13
AV 30/Thompson18

[guest81]

Thats an awful deal. if we get love we absolutley need Thompson otherwise we have no defense at the PF spot. And yes a team with Love, Irving, Lebron still needs a capable 2G, you cant just leave gaping holes on the team.

I don't think Thompson is THAT good of a defender. If you get Love who plays 35-38 minutes a game, you only need another 12-15 minutes from another player. Also your not going to have good offense and good defense at every position. No team has that.

Brewer is more then a capable two guard. He can the other teams best best so Lebron doesn't have to. He doesn't need the ball so more for Irving and Lebron. He leaves everything on the court every night. Pretty much would be Lebrons little lapdog, playing catch and running all day

He was one of the better rated PFs last year on defense so yes he is THAT good of a defender, And the Spurs had a pretty good combination of that last year. and no Brewer is not a more then capable 2G, he's a backup at best at this point.

Kevin Love put 33 on Thompson last year

[guest81]

Thompson can also play the 5 in some stretches We do not want AV playing more than30mpg.

Love 35/Thompson 13
AV 30/Thompson18

Love can also play the 5 in stretches

[CavsKSU25]

I don't think Thompson is THAT good of a defender. If you get Love who plays 35-38 minutes a game, you only need another 12-15 minutes from another player. Also your not going to have good offense and good defense at every position. No team has that.

Brewer is more then a capable two guard. He can the other teams best best so Lebron doesn't have to. He doesn't need the ball so more for Irving and Lebron. He leaves everything on the court every night. Pretty much would be Lebrons little lapdog, playing catch and running all day

He was one of the better rated PFs last year on defense so yes he is THAT good of a defender, And the Spurs had a pretty good combination of that last year. and no Brewer is not a more then capable 2G, he's a backup at best at this point.

Kevin Love put 33 on Thompson last year

And? your point? Lets not ignore the fact Thompson didnt guard Love for the whole 33 points either.

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Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
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Plenty of folks around NBA predict Kevin Love will eventually ask TWolves to trade him to CLE. Not a fact, but it is a belief.



This could be why Minnesota wants to do a deal sooner rather then later, the moment he asks for a deal to Cleveland and Cleveland alone, the cavs get Love for pennies on the dollar.

They still don't have to trade him though. It's not like Love is going to hold out. This isn't the NFL

So you lose him for nothing, no big deal on our part. Wont hurt our franchise. If its true about Love eventually asking for a trade just to Cleveland then The Cavs should just wait til that plays out and get him for Waiters, Thompson and a future first.

Not necessarily, As this situation shows, just because time passes, doesn't mean the offers get worse

[CavsKSU25]

Thompson can also play the 5 in some stretches We do not want AV playing more than30mpg.

Love 35/Thompson 13
AV 30/Thompson18

Love can also play the 5 in stretches

Talk about the ultimate defensive nightmare

[Niko23]

Thompson can also play the 5 in some stretches We do not want AV playing more than30mpg.

Love 35/Thompson 13
AV 30/Thompson18

Love can also play the 5 in stretches

Id rather he not.....being a 20 million a year player

[CavsKSU25]

They still don't have to trade him though. It's not like Love is going to hold out. This isn't the NFL

So you lose him for nothing, no big deal on our part. Wont hurt our franchise. If its true about Love eventually asking for a trade just to Cleveland then The Cavs should just wait til that plays out and get him for Waiters, Thompson and a future first.

Not necessarily, As this situation shows, just because time passes, doesn't mean the offers get worse

yes necessarily. if Love says he only wants to play in Cleveland then no NBA team is going to trade for a guy who doesn't want to be there. Cleveland would bid against themselfs or Minnesota loses him for nothing, thats the fact of the situation.

[Niko23]

I don't think Thompson is THAT good of a defender. If you get Love who plays 35-38 minutes a game, you only need another 12-15 minutes from another player. Also your not going to have good offense and good defense at every position. No team has that.

Brewer is more then a capable two guard. He can the other teams best best so Lebron doesn't have to. He doesn't need the ball so more for Irving and Lebron. He leaves everything on the court every night. Pretty much would be Lebrons little lapdog, playing catch and running all day

He was one of the better rated PFs last year on defense so yes he is THAT good of a defender, And the Spurs had a pretty good combination of that last year. and no Brewer is not a more then capable 2G, he's a backup at best at this point.

Kevin Love put 33 on Thompson last year

Love also put up 17 on 40% in a loss to the Cavs last year too.

[CavsKSU25]

Golden State dropping out of the Love Sweepstakes for now, citing Flip Saunders screwing himself over

"The suggestion is that Minnesota president & coach Flip Saunders is asking for so much that the Warriors do not believe that they can get enough back if they add Thompson into their offer.

And they sure don’t want to add Thompson only to have Saunders go back to Cleveland to get a better offer, and then go back to the GSWs and ask them to top Cleveland… and so on.
I don’t think Cleveland–reportedly now willing to discuss Andrew Wiggins as a part of a Love offer–wants any part of the raise, re-raise, re-re-raise scenario, either.

So my understanding is that the Warriors have decided to depart the process for now."

[Temuhjan]

Love/Brewer for

Waiters/Wiggins/Thompson/Haywood future pick

fair trade for both teams

Irving
Brewer
Lebron
Love
Varejao

That team will hold their own on D with Brewer Lebron and Varejaro, and have an absolutely unstoppable offense.

Seriously you cant afford to double team any of those guys, all of the big three are elite passers, all three can hit from anywhere on the court.

Sorry but this terrible. Its Wiggins/Bennett/Filler for Love. Dion and Tristan are valuable to us. If you want Waiters/Wiggins/Thompson - Dieng is included

They are valuable on the team right now. But if you have Love you don't need thompson, who you have to pay after this year anyway. And a team with Love/Irving/Lebron really doesn't need the scoring of Dion. You need a 3 and D guy with those guys, not a volume scorer like Dion

Agreed

[guest81]

He was one of the better rated PFs last year on defense so yes he is THAT good of a defender, And the Spurs had a pretty good combination of that last year. and no Brewer is not a more then capable 2G, he's a backup at best at this point.

Kevin Love put 33 on Thompson last year

And? your point? Lets not ignore the fact Thompson didnt guard Love for the whole 33 points either.

It means that Thompson isn't going to shut down anybody by any means. That's not to say Love will shut down anybody because he won't. But there isn't any PF in the league who can shut down the Love's, Griffins, Adlridges, and Davis's of the world, like say a Tony Allen, or a Ron Artest could back in the day, against perimeter players.

[CavsKSU25]

Kevin Love put 33 on Thompson last year

And? your point? Lets not ignore the fact Thompson didnt guard Love for the whole 33 points either.

It means that Thompson isn't going to shut down anybody by any means. That's not to say Love will shut down anybody because he won't. But there isn't any PF in the league who can shut down the Love's, Griffins, Adlridges, and Davis's of the world, like say a Tony Allen, or a Ron Artest could back in the day, against perimeter players.

so 1 bad games means he's not good?

[guest81]

Golden State dropping out of the Love Sweepstakes for now, citing Flip Saunders screwing himself over

"The suggestion is that Minnesota president & coach Flip Saunders is asking for so much that the Warriors do not believe that they can get enough back if they add Thompson into their offer.

And they sure don’t want to add Thompson only to have Saunders go back to Cleveland to get a better offer, and then go back to the GSWs and ask them to top Cleveland… and so on.
I don’t think Cleveland–reportedly now willing to discuss Andrew Wiggins as a part of a Love offer–wants any part of the raise, re-raise, re-re-raise scenario, either.

So my understanding is that the Warriors have decided to depart the process for now."

I wouldn't take the GS front office, who has overvalued Klay Thompson more then Klay's own mother, as any kind of clog in the process. The Cavs/Wolves deal has really nothing to do with them

[guest81]

And? your point? Lets not ignore the fact Thompson didnt guard Love for the whole 33 points either.

It means that Thompson isn't going to shut down anybody by any means. That's not to say Love will shut down anybody because he won't. But there isn't any PF in the league who can shut down the Love's, Griffins, Adlridges, and Davis's of the world, like say a Tony Allen, or a Ron Artest could back in the day, against perimeter players.

so 1 bad games means he's not good?

Thompson is fine. But with a team with Lebron/Irving/Love, he isn't the difference between winning and not winning a title

[Temuhjan]

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If this is true, the Cavs need to just walk away. Let Love play for GS next year. He's a great player but he's not worth all this.

A roster like that has no D. Bron will end up having to D up everyone from 2 to 5. That's exactly why he bolted the Heat in the first place. The King is hunting for his third ring. He needs a carefully constructed supporting cast to do it. Right now, we are only a rim protector and a veteran floor leader away. Don't screw it up with a K-Love trade. It is not worth it.

[jbk1234]

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If this is true, the Cavs need to just walk away. Let Love play for GS next year. He's a great player but he's not worth all this.

A roster like that has no D. Bron will end up hving to D up everyone from 2 to 5. That's exactly why he bolted the Heat in the first place. The King is hunting for his third ring. He needs a carefully constructed supporting cast to do it. Right now, we are only a rim protector and a veteran floor leader away. Don't screw it up with a K-Love trade. It is not worth it.

To be clear, I would not give any more than two of our rookie scale players and Haywood. I'd pass on anything else unless Dieng was coming back.

[guest81]

Thompson can also play the 5 in some stretches We do not want AV playing more than30mpg.

Love 35/Thompson 13
AV 30/Thompson18

Love can also play the 5 in stretches

Talk about the ultimate defensive nightmare

Last year when Pekovic went down for the Wolves, they tinkered with Love at the 5 and Dante Cunningham at the 4. What happened was went crazy on offense because no center could handle him at the 3 point line. Problem was, was that he got worn down pretty quick banging with those other centers at the other. Again, it works in stretches, but not something that should be done for any length of period