Trade Ideas - Part 2

[CavsKSU25]

Golden State dropping out of the Love Sweepstakes for now, citing Flip Saunders screwing himself over

"The suggestion is that Minnesota president & coach Flip Saunders is asking for so much that the Warriors do not believe that they can get enough back if they add Thompson into their offer.

And they sure don’t want to add Thompson only to have Saunders go back to Cleveland to get a better offer, and then go back to the GSWs and ask them to top Cleveland… and so on.
I don’t think Cleveland–reportedly now willing to discuss Andrew Wiggins as a part of a Love offer–wants any part of the raise, re-raise, re-re-raise scenario, either.

So my understanding is that the Warriors have decided to depart the process for now."

I wouldn't take the GS front office, who has overvalued Klay Thompson more then Klay's own mother, as any kind of clog in the process. The Cavs/Wolves deal has really nothing to do with them

All signs point to the Cavs no longer needing Wiggins to get Love without Minnesota losing Love for nothing

Kind of like we dont take your or any other trolling wolves fan opinion seriously? i dont understand why you continue to post here and do nothing but troll to begin with, you literally come here just to tell everyone their opinion is wrong and your's is the second coming of jesus christ.

[mup]

Golden State dropping out of the Love Sweepstakes for now, citing Flip Saunders screwing himself over

"The suggestion is that Minnesota president & coach Flip Saunders is asking for so much that the Warriors do not believe that they can get enough back if they add Thompson into their offer.

And they sure don’t want to add Thompson only to have Saunders go back to Cleveland to get a better offer, and then go back to the GSWs and ask them to top Cleveland… and so on.
I don’t think Cleveland–reportedly now willing to discuss Andrew Wiggins as a part of a Love offer–wants any part of the raise, re-raise, re-re-raise scenario, either.

So my understanding is that the Warriors have decided to depart the process for now."

Whose quote is this?


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[Temuhjan]

Can a team do a sign and trade for a player excepting a qualifying offer? If Detroit and Monroe are as far apart as they seem, then it would be a nice way for both teams to get something out of the deal. Monroe for Bennett. Detroit gets the prospect of Bennett and out of paying Monroe $9-11million a year. Cleveland gets a 4/5 option to allow interesting mixes with Varejao and Thompson and they get the hope that Lebron can convince him to sign a team friendly deal to stay on. If Monroe is looking to get paid, a year of playing with Lebron (and the exposure it brings) might be in his best interest.
Obviously Cleveland would be rolling the dice that Monroe would stick around for reasonable money.

Monroe is a great rebounder and hustler. However, he is not going to help protect the rim. His $10m salary is not helping the cause neither.

[CavsKSU25]

Golden State dropping out of the Love Sweepstakes for now, citing Flip Saunders screwing himself over

"The suggestion is that Minnesota president & coach Flip Saunders is asking for so much that the Warriors do not believe that they can get enough back if they add Thompson into their offer.

And they sure don’t want to add Thompson only to have Saunders go back to Cleveland to get a better offer, and then go back to the GSWs and ask them to top Cleveland… and so on.
I don’t think Cleveland–reportedly now willing to discuss Andrew Wiggins as a part of a Love offer–wants any part of the raise, re-raise, re-re-raise scenario, either.

So my understanding is that the Warriors have decided to depart the process for now."

Whose quote is this?


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http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2 ... scussions/

Beat writter for the warriors

[mademan]

I asked this on the GB, but can't the Cavs just sign Love next year out right? With varajeo coming off the books, couldnt they can dump 2 of Thompson/Bennet/Waiters and have enough cap space to sign him to a max? You'd only have Lebron/Kyrie/Wiggins/Waiters+ a few min capholds, right? And that comes out to what, 47 mil, and with the growing cap, they'd have enough to just sign Love and not trade Wiggins at all.

[antistrat]

The Warriors devotion to Thompson is inexplicable, but as Napoleon once said:

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

[mup]

Golden State dropping out of the Love Sweepstakes for now, citing Flip Saunders screwing himself over

"The suggestion is that Minnesota president & coach Flip Saunders is asking for so much that the Warriors do not believe that they can get enough back if they add Thompson into their offer.

And they sure don’t want to add Thompson only to have Saunders go back to Cleveland to get a better offer, and then go back to the GSWs and ask them to top Cleveland… and so on.
I don’t think Cleveland–reportedly now willing to discuss Andrew Wiggins as a part of a Love offer–wants any part of the raise, re-raise, re-re-raise scenario, either.

So my understanding is that the Warriors have decided to depart the process for now."

I wouldn't take the GS front office, who has overvalued Klay Thompson more then Klay's own mother, as any kind of clog in the process. The Cavs/Wolves deal has really nothing to do with them

Hey bro, you've said your peace and we understand your position.

Getting tired of opening this thread to see 75 posts from you telling us how we don't understand how trades or leverage work, we don't understand the values of our players, we don't know how to interpret news and smokescreens coming from various sources, and basically that we have to give you our whole team for Kevin Love since we apparently need him (for something) and you have all the leverage. It's clear that most Cavs fans disagree with you on every one of your themes and this debate has lost any hope of productive discourse. Maybe it's time to move along.


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[Temuhjan]

Golden State dropping out of the Love Sweepstakes for now, citing Flip Saunders screwing himself over

"The suggestion is that Minnesota president & coach Flip Saunders is asking for so much that the Warriors do not believe that they can get enough back if they add Thompson into their offer.

And they sure don’t want to add Thompson only to have Saunders go back to Cleveland to get a better offer, and then go back to the GSWs and ask them to top Cleveland… and so on.
I don’t think Cleveland–reportedly now willing to discuss Andrew Wiggins as a part of a Love offer–wants any part of the raise, re-raise, re-re-raise scenario, either.

So my understanding is that the Warriors have decided to depart the process for now."

Flip can screw himself. Over and out.

[mup]

I asked this on the GB, but can't the Cavs just sign Love next year out right? With varajeo coming off the books, couldnt they can dump 2 of Thompson/Bennet/Waiters and have enough cap space to sign him to a max? You'd only have Lebron/Kyrie/Wiggins/Waiters+ a few min capholds, right? And that comes out to what, 47 mil, and with the growing cap, they'd have enough to just sign Love and not trade Wiggins at all.

Irving max kicks in next year to eat any cap space generated from the deductions you mentioned. It would have to be a sign and trade.


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[Temuhjan]

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If this is true, the Cavs need to just walk away. Let Love play for GS next year. He's a great player but he's not worth all this.

A roster like that has no D. Bron will end up hving to D up everyone from 2 to 5. That's exactly why he bolted the Heat in the first place. The King is hunting for his third ring. He needs a carefully constructed supporting cast to do it. Right now, we are only a rim protector and a veteran floor leader away. Don't screw it up with a K-Love trade. It is not worth it.

To be clear, I would not give any more than two of our rookie scale players and Haywood. I'd pass on anything else unless Dieng was coming back.

The bottomline is: No Wiggins. Anyone else we can replace.

[jbk1234]

I asked this on the GB, but can't the Cavs just sign Love next year out right? With varajeo coming off the books, couldnt they can dump 2 of Thompson/Bennet/Waiters and have enough cap space to sign him to a max? You'd only have Lebron/Kyrie/Wiggins/Waiters+ a few min capholds, right? And that comes out to what, 47 mil, and with the growing cap, they'd have enough to just sign Love and not trade Wiggins at all.

Kyrie extension kicks in next year so that eats up AV's salary. A year from now, they will have other options for a S&T but it will be difficult for the Cavs to just clear $17 million in cap space. Of course, a year from now Minny will be much more reasonable in their asking price.

[jbk1234]

A roster like that has no D. Bron will end up hving to D up everyone from 2 to 5. That's exactly why he bolted the Heat in the first place. The King is hunting for his third ring. He needs a carefully constructed supporting cast to do it. Right now, we are only a rim protector and a veteran floor leader away. Don't screw it up with a K-Love trade. It is not worth it.

To be clear, I would not give any more than two of our rookie scale players and Haywood. I'd pass on anything else unless Dieng was coming back.

The bottomline is: No Wiggins. Anyone else we can replace.

People who think it is going to be easy to replace Dion are deluding themselves.

[guest81]

Golden State dropping out of the Love Sweepstakes for now, citing Flip Saunders screwing himself over

"The suggestion is that Minnesota president & coach Flip Saunders is asking for so much that the Warriors do not believe that they can get enough back if they add Thompson into their offer.

And they sure don’t want to add Thompson only to have Saunders go back to Cleveland to get a better offer, and then go back to the GSWs and ask them to top Cleveland… and so on.
I don’t think Cleveland–reportedly now willing to discuss Andrew Wiggins as a part of a Love offer–wants any part of the raise, re-raise, re-re-raise scenario, either.

So my understanding is that the Warriors have decided to depart the process for now."

I wouldn't take the GS front office, who has overvalued Klay Thompson more then Klay's own mother, as any kind of clog in the process. The Cavs/Wolves deal has really nothing to do with them

Hey bro, you've said your peace and we understand your position.

Getting tired of opening this thread to see 75 posts from you telling us how we don't understand how trades or leverage work, we don't understand the values of our players, we don't know how to interpret news and smokescreens coming from various sources, and basically that we have to give you our whole team for Kevin Love since we apparently need him (for something) and you have all the leverage. It's clear that most Cavs fans disagree with you on every one of your themes and this debate has lost any hope of productive discourse. Maybe it's time to move along.

Isn't that the point of these message boards? To have debates about sports? I haven't resorted to any name calling, or calling anybody's opinion stupid. It's all just debating. It's all in fun. There's no need to take things so offensively or serious. If everybody agreed on every issue, things would get boring

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[mademan]

I asked this on the GB, but can't the Cavs just sign Love next year out right? With varajeo coming off the books, couldnt they can dump 2 of Thompson/Bennet/Waiters and have enough cap space to sign him to a max? You'd only have Lebron/Kyrie/Wiggins/Waiters+ a few min capholds, right? And that comes out to what, 47 mil, and with the growing cap, they'd have enough to just sign Love and not trade Wiggins at all.

Kyrie extension kicks in next year so that eats up AV's salary. A year from now, they will have other options for a S&T but it will be difficult for the Cavs to just clear $17 million in cap space. Of course, a year from now Minny will be much more reasonable in their asking price.

But the only players they'll have on the books are Lebron/Irving/Wiggins/bennet, they can just decline options on Waiters/Thompson and waive haywood. They'll have a few min capholds, but all together

Lebron-20 mil
Irving-17 mil
Wiggins-6
Bennet-6

= 49

That leaves at min, 14 mil in capspace, and with the growing cap, likely enough to sign Love outright. At worst, you can just trade Bennet to a team under the cap. Either way, the trade comes out to Waiters/Thompson and maybe Bennet for Love.

[walterwalter13]

Monroe is a great rebounder and hustler. However, he is not going to help protect the rim. His $10m salary is not helping the cause neither.

Well this was the basis for my question. The QO for Monroe is $5.5m.

[CavsKSU25]

I wouldn't take the GS front office, who has overvalued Klay Thompson more then Klay's own mother, as any kind of clog in the process. The Cavs/Wolves deal has really nothing to do with them

Hey bro, you've said your peace and we understand your position.

Getting tired of opening this thread to see 75 posts from you telling us how we don't understand how trades or leverage work, we don't understand the values of our players, we don't know how to interpret news and smokescreens coming from various sources, and basically that we have to give you our whole team for Kevin Love since we apparently need him (for something) and you have all the leverage. It's clear that most Cavs fans disagree with you on every one of your themes and this debate has lost any hope of productive discourse. Maybe it's time to move along.

Isn't that the point of these message boards? To have debates about sports? I haven't resorted to any name calling, or calling anybody's opinion stupid. It's all just debating. It's all in fun. There's no need to take things so offensively or serious. If everybody agreed on every issue, things would get boring

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No the point of message boards isn't for you to come tell us its your way or no way, remember when you said you were leaving? too bad you didnt keep to your word, you've long wore out your welcome here. take a hike.

[guest81]

I asked this on the GB, but can't the Cavs just sign Love next year out right? With varajeo coming off the books, couldnt they can dump 2 of Thompson/Bennet/Waiters and have enough cap space to sign him to a max? You'd only have Lebron/Kyrie/Wiggins/Waiters+ a few min capholds, right? And that comes out to what, 47 mil, and with the growing cap, they'd have enough to just sign Love and not trade Wiggins at all.

Kyrie extension kicks in next year so that eats up AV's salary. A year from now, they will have other options for a S&T but it will be difficult for the Cavs to just clear $17 million in cap space. Of course, a year from now Minny will be much more reasonable in their asking price.

But the only players they'll have on the books are Lebron/Irving/Wiggins/bennet, they can just decline options on Waiters/Thompson and waive haywood. They'll have a few min capholds, but all together

Lebron-20 mil
Irving-17 mil
Wiggins-6
Bennet-6

= 49

That leaves at min, 14 mil in capspace, and with the growing cap, likely enough to sign Love outright. At worst, you can just trade Bennet to a team under the cap. Either way, the trade comes out to Waiters/Thompson and maybe Bennet for Love.

They will also have miller at about 2.5. Plus they have a couple 1st round picks next year that will count as cap holds

[CavsKSU25]

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Andrew Wiggins has not been offered for Kevin Love. Klay Thompson has not been offered for Kevin Love. This is where things stand.


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Talking to execs out here in Vegas, almost universal that IF wolves get Wiggins for Love that is as good a deal as they could make
1:20 PM - 18 Jul 2014


Jon Krawczynski ✔ @APkrawczynski
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Wiggins is still a possibility if LeBron tells the Cavs "Get me Love." What LeBron wants, LeBron gets. That's what Wolves are counting on.



dont worry, Guest81 will come tell us how he knows more then yet another insider.

[guest81]

Jon Krawczynski ✔ @APkrawczynski
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Andrew Wiggins has not been offered for Kevin Love. Klay Thompson has not been offered for Kevin Love. This is where things stand.


Jon Krawczynski ✔ @APkrawczynski
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Talking to execs out here in Vegas, almost universal that IF wolves get Wiggins for Love that is as good a deal as they could make
1:20 PM - 18 Jul 2014


Jon Krawczynski ✔ @APkrawczynski
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Wiggins is still a possibility if LeBron tells the Cavs "Get me Love." What LeBron wants, LeBron gets. That's what Wolves are counting on.



dont worry, Guest81 will come tell us how he knows more then yet another insider.

To say Wiggins isn't on the table isn't any more or less outrageous then saying Wiggins is on the table

[mademan]

Kyrie extension kicks in next year so that eats up AV's salary. A year from now, they will have other options for a S&T but it will be difficult for the Cavs to just clear $17 million in cap space. Of course, a year from now Minny will be much more reasonable in their asking price.

But the only players they'll have on the books are Lebron/Irving/Wiggins/bennet, they can just decline options on Waiters/Thompson and waive haywood. They'll have a few min capholds, but all together

Lebron-20 mil
Irving-17 mil
Wiggins-6
Bennet-6

= 49

That leaves at min, 14 mil in capspace, and with the growing cap, likely enough to sign Love outright. At worst, you can just trade Bennet to a team under the cap. Either way, the trade comes out to Waiters/Thompson and maybe Bennet for Love.

They will also have miller at about 2.5. Plus they have a couple 1st round picks next year that will count as cap holds

Even wit that 2.5, they can still drop bennet and have more than enough. And trade their 1st round picks for future 1st round picks.