The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[NTB]

Lin wasn't part of the deal. Some people misread the tweet.

Yeah but Hill can't be part of the deal either. That's why the idea this tweet seems a little suspect.

However, it's worth considering - if LeBron has the sway to push top pick Wiggins out the door so he can win now, might Kobe have the same type of sway in LA? Randle's not going to help them win anything this season, and with Boozer, Davis, Hill and Sacre on the front line, they're not in bad shape up front.

I like this:

Dragic/Thomas/Ennis/"Nash"
Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Markieff/Randle/Tolliver
Plumlee/Len/Randolph

I worry, though, after watching summer league play, that we won't be able to count on either Goodwin or Ennis for quality minutes this year. No matter - Tucker can pick up some minutes at the 2. We should be fine.

No defense

[Sunsdeuce]

Lin wasn't part of the deal. Some people misread the tweet.

Yeah but Hill can't be part of the deal either. That's why the idea this tweet seems a little suspect.

However, it's worth considering - if LeBron has the sway to push top pick Wiggins out the door so he can win now, might Kobe have the same type of sway in LA? Randle's not going to help them win anything this season, and with Boozer, Davis, Hill and Sacre on the front line, they're not in bad shape up front.

I like this:

Dragic/Thomas/Ennis/"Nash"
Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Markieff/Randle/Tolliver
Plumlee/Len/Randolph

I worry, though, after watching summer league play, that we won't be able to count on either Goodwin or Ennis for quality minutes this year. No matter - Tucker can pick up some minutes at the 2. We should be fine.

No defense

Relax, your overestimating that. Its not like players just stand around. They might not be the most talented defenders but as long as you stay with your man and put a hand in the face and try. Thats all you can ask for.

[Kjdills13]

Suns- Vareja, Waiters, first 1s from cleavland
Cleavland- Love, Green, Plumlee
Minnesota- Bledsoe, Wiggens, 1st from cleavland

Dragic/ IT/ Ennis
Waiters/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren
Morris/Morris
Vareja/Len

Also 4 1st round picks and we will only have
IT
ENNIS
WAITERS
GOODWIN
TUCKER
WARREN
LEN

Under contract next year for a total of roughly 19 million.

Bird rights on dragic, cap hold of 9 million
27 million

so we would have about 35 million to spend. PLUS 4 draft picks to use as tools.

Not a bad future

[spanishninja]

Suns- Vareja, Waiters, first 1s from cleavland
Cleavland- Love, Green, Plumlee
Minnesota- Bledsoe, Wiggens, 1st from cleavland

Dragic/ IT/ Ennis
Waiters/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren
Morris/Morris
Vareja/Len

Also 4 1st round picks and we will only have
IT
ENNIS
WAITERS
GOODWIN
TUCKER
WARREN
LEN

Under contract next year for a total of roughly 19 million.

Bird rights on dragic, cap hold of 9 million
27 million

so we would have about 35 million to spend. PLUS 4 draft picks to use as tools.

Not a bad future

not a bad future, unless we can't get anybody to want to come take this cap space next year, which is kind of the problem we have now. Not sure how a team with even fewer known commodities will help us attract big free agents, unless we somehow win the championship with this roster. Think about the state of the Sixers at this point. Dragic alone is not going to be enough to get people to join us, unless he averages 30 a game.

People still overvalue cap space it seems; having it but not being able to use it is worse than not having it, imo.

[jcsunsfan]

OK, well. Draft over, summer league over, free agency all but over, trades and moves unlikely. I am probably out of here until September unless something earthshattering happens with Bledsoe.

I can't see any more moves of any substance right now. But I reserve the right to come back if something big happens out of the blue.

[Blackification]

I like the Lakers deal. Pretty decent value.

[PhxSuns1]

Get us Randle.

[Frank Lee]

Babby depants Paul, spanked his asscheeks red, and sent him running down the street. Each day delayed sours this deal. It won't be long before Bledsoak demands a trade. He signs a QO, he loses money, but gains leverage.

I don't think he ever wanted to be here. He certainly has done nothing to refute that.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

OK, well. Draft over, summer league over, free agency all but over, trades and moves unlikely. I am probably out of here until September unless something earthshattering happens with Bledsoe.

I can't see any more moves of any substance right now. But I reserve the right to come back if something big happens out of the blue.

See ya around when training camp starts. I'm probably not far behind, but I am curious to see if we have something up our sleeve with Bledsoe.

Btw - how long you been posting on various boards? I seem to remember you from waaaaay back, azcentral perhaps? Just curious. Good talking.

[thamadkant]

1) Bledsoe had the same surgery as Wade, correct? Removed entire meniscus? That means early 30's, his knees will start fading quickly. Probably why he wants to get paid so much. Get his worth, or money I should say, before it's too late.

2) Absolutely ZERO chance he took the QO with his injury history. He'd rather rake in $11-$12 million than $3.8 and risk an injury, or not playing very well. Suns could also screw him and play IT more to lower his value if they weren't doing that well. Too much risk for this scenario.

3) Two teams can offer him max I believe. Bucks and Philly. Both need PG's and kind of shocked they haven't, but they must be a bit concerned with his resume/injuries and shelling out $16 million for a PG (when it's a position with an ample amount of talent in the league). Most if not all PG's make what, $12 million (all-stars excluding Paul, Westbrook, Lillard, probably forgetting couple others).

4) If one of those teams did throw him max, Suns would try and work out S&T or let him walk. Not worth $16 million.

5) Everyone will stop the hate once he signs 4/$48. McD is tough. He's not gonna budge. He has the cards in his favor. One card left to flip for Bledsoe. He's running out of options and doesn't have much room for negotiation.

Bledsoe did not remove his entire meniscus... There was a small chip that was "stuck on" after his first injury... Now it disattached again.

So instead of trying to "stick it" back on, they removed that small bit off for good.
That's what I read from googling it.

No meniscus pretty much Brandon Roy situation... He would be retiring in 1-2 years especially since he puts so much work on those knees.

[LukasBMW]

Babby depants Paul, spanked his asscheeks red, and sent him running down the street. Each day delayed sours this deal. It won't be long before Bledsoak demands a trade. He signs a QO, he loses money, but gains leverage.

I don't think he ever wanted to be here. He certainly has done nothing to refute that.

Thing is, I saw a few games with him on the bench cheering at the top of his lungs when our second team was in.

He'd be stupid to leave. This could be HIS team. And he is in a system that is perfect for him to inflate his stats. Take the 4/48, ball hard, and earn his next max deal.

[SunsFanSSOL]

I love Bledsoe, but I'd do that Lakers deal in a heartbeat. Doubt the Lakers do it, and Randle seems excited to be a Laker and play in LA. I think he even grew up a Laker fan, imagine how dejected he would be after getting traded here.

[Kerrsed]

Suns- Vareja, Waiters, first 1s from cleavland
Cleavland- Love, Green, Plumlee
Minnesota- Bledsoe, Wiggens, 1st from cleavland

Cleveland isnt trading Varejao. Lebron LOVES Varejao and called him one of his favorite teammates.

As for the Lakers tweet, the wording is a bit weird. It said his "Source" is pushing the Lakers to make the offer, not that the Lakers are thinking about it. His "Source" could be a sports radio host like Gambo for all we know, and do you think McD would make a trade with Gambo pushing an idea on him?

With all that being said, I like Randle and the HOU 1st. I might be open to Hill, he has game and ties to the Valley, but he is a bit overpaid. The kid can rebound, defend decently, play both PF/C and is still young. Is he worth $9M a season? Who knows. He could be a star in a more uptempo system like ours, or he could just fail (which is more unlikely).

Randle is NBA ready and was the 7th pick in the draft. Having a young talent bursting with potential on a rookie contract for years to come would be great. He could possibly solve our PF dilemma for years to come. We could then play Keiff more at C if we choose, or use him as trade bait, as Randle has a much higher ceiling and the Morris twins will be looking for new contracts after next season. It opens up a lot of possibilities for us.

Add in another 2015 1st round pick in our war-chest, and thats another asset to use at our discretion.

Im probably one of the biggest Bledsoe fans on the board. If it came down to trading him or Dragic, i would have traded Dragic. But that was then and this is now. Max contract for a lot of unknowns? No thanks. We gave him a very reasonable offer and he shut us down. Does he want to be here? Who really knows. I think he would go wherever he could for a max contract, then become disgruntled and push for a trade to a city where he really wants to go. He is a great player with lots of potential. I love his defense and swagger, but it seems like his head is getting too big and he's taking the "Mini-Lebron" nick-name too seriously.

[letsgosuns]

I would trade Bledsoe for Randle, especially if the Suns are getting another first round pick too. However, do the Lakers even have the cap space to offer a max contract? I would imagine they would have to send back a big salary in addition to Randle and a pick. Maybe the contract would be Steve Nash. Who knows. I think most Suns fans agree that Bledsoe is not worth a max and if he is unwilling to negotiate, then they should trade him. Seriously, think about Bledsoe and his role on the Suns. Is he worth 16 million a year? Not in my opinion. 12 million a year tops.

[SunsFanSSOL]

I'd trade Bledsoe to Sacramento for Rudy Gay and Nik Stauskas or Ben McLemore.

[spanishninja]

I'd trade Bledsoe to Sacramento for Rudy Gay and Nik Stauskas or Ben McLemore.

yeah Gay might work quite well considering his athleticism and his ability to be efficient when not having to handle the ball all the time. He shot much better after getting traded to Sac. But then they'd be paying Collison all that money to be a backup

[Revived]

I'd trade Bledsoe to Sacramento for Rudy Gay and Nik Stauskas or Ben McLemore.

yeah Gay might work quite well considering his athleticism and his ability to be efficient when not having to handle the ball all the time. He shot much better after getting traded to Sac. But then they'd be paying Collison all that money to be a backup

Gay worked in SAC cause he had a good big man in Cousins to be paired with. That's only reason he looked even remotely decent in Memphis cause of Z-Bo.

Suns don't have any big men that comes close to Cousins or Z-Bo so Gay would be as bad if not worse than when he was in Toronto.

[NotTraxxe]

Cown the road:

Minnesota: Irving, The Twins, 2015 Laker's Pick
Cleveland: Love, Green, Bledsoe
Phoenix, Wiggins, TT



P.S. We're dead in the water and Bledsoe will be matched or take the QO. None of this Lakers or Love stuff has a chance anymore.

You know and Irving and Rubio backcourt would be turrible.

[JMac1]

OK, well. Draft over, summer league over, free agency all but over, trades and moves unlikely. I am probably out of here until September unless something earthshattering happens with Bledsoe.

I can't see any more moves of any substance right now. But I reserve the right to come back if something big happens out of the blue.

See ya around when training camp starts. I'm probably not far behind, but I am curious to see if we have something up our sleeve with Bledsoe.

Btw - how long you been posting on various boards? I seem to remember you from waaaaay back, azcentral perhaps? Just curious. Good talking.

Coming in to post exactly what csunsfan said as well. I will get back with you guys in October. It has been real, but know it is time to get ready for school and football.....holla if ya need me

Peace

[matt131]

Cown the road:

Minnesota: Irving, The Twins, 2015 Laker's Pick
Cleveland: Love, Green, Bledsoe
Phoenix, Wiggins, TT



P.S. We're dead in the water and Bledsoe will be matched or take the QO. None of this Lakers or Love stuff has a chance anymore.

You know and Irving and Rubio backcourt would be turrible.

What a guy. Who in the crap does he think he is? Take the gosh darn 12 million and be happy.