Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[Elden Payton]

MCW is really not that good.

I've been flamed multiple times for saying he's average.

Aside from raw stats on a terrible team, he's mediocre in every regard.

[JDR720]

I wouldn't trade Kemba for Bledsoe, hurts chemistry and Bledsoe wants the max

[Elden Payton]

I wouldn't trade Kemba for Bledsoe, hurts chemistry and Bledsoe wants the max

I wouldn't trade Pargo for him!

[EwingSweatsALot]

With our logjam on the wings, any chance we get in on being part of the Sac/Det trade? The big one is helping out the Cavs and Minny, but this one is also under talks as well.

Sac gets: Josh Smith and Gary Neal

Detroit gets: Derrick Williams, Jason Terry, and Gerald Henderson

Charlotte gets: Reggie Evans and a protected Sac pick

We get a servicable Jeff Adrien type PF that we can use for defensive and rebounding purposes, what we don't have there now. Evans is also an expiring. So we shed salary now and for next year.

Sac gets the guy they have wanted for about a year now in Josh Smith and a back up gunner in Neal that is an expiring.

Detroit gets rid of a bad contract and a guy that just doesn't fit for them. They upgrade at the 2 guard and get 12 million in expirings.

I would say we and Detroit would say no. Detroit because expirings might not be enough for them to get rid of Smith. We probably say no because we don't get enough on court help immediately for our two guys, though a top 8 that moves to a top 3 protected pick could be extremely valuable in the near future as we continue to build our team.

Grasping at straws on this one. Neither team has much to contribute towards us. I don't think we will be getting much for the two guys that a lot of this board has been trying to get rid of.

[JDR720]

I do like Reggie Evans

EDIT: But i don't think he is enough for Gerald + Neal, they aren't scrubs and Reggie is less of an offensive threat than Biz

[BeesWax]

MCW is really not that good.

I've been flamed multiple times for saying he's average.

Aside from raw stats on a terrible team, he's mediocre in every regard.

I agree that he is average. What I believe he gives us is something we desperately need which is good bench depth and versatility. I am not giving up huge pieces to get this trade done but this trade IMO makes us better. What I wanted to do was give us some line up flexibility. One thing that really killed us last year was bench ability. He gives us another ball handler in the second unit and Young improves our starting unit at PF.

Starters:
Kemba/Lance/MKG/Young/Al

2nd Unit:
Roberts/MCW/Williams/Vonleh/Biz

Small ball (running):
Kemba/MCW/Lance/MCW/Biz

Big:
MCW/Lance/MKG/Vonleh/Al

Just sort of a flexible guy who can help our team. I am not saying he will be amazing or anything but he is on a rookie contract and as a back up he would be above average I think.

[BeesWax]

With our logjam on the wings, any chance we get in on being part of the Sac/Det trade? The big one is helping out the Cavs and Minny, but this one is also under talks as well.

Sac gets: Josh Smith and Gary Neal

Detroit gets: Derrick Williams, Jason Terry, and Gerald Henderson

Charlotte gets: Reggie Evans and a protected Sac pick

We get a servicable Jeff Adrien type PF that we can use for defensive and rebounding purposes, what we don't have there now. Evans is also an expiring. So we shed salary now and for next year.

Sac gets the guy they have wanted for about a year now in Josh Smith and a back up gunner in Neal that is an expiring.

Detroit gets rid of a bad contract and a guy that just doesn't fit for them. They upgrade at the 2 guard and get 12 million in expirings.

I would say we and Detroit would say no. Detroit because expirings might not be enough for them to get rid of Smith. We probably say no because we don't get enough on court help immediately for our two guys, though a top 8 that moves to a top 3 protected pick could be extremely valuable in the near future as we continue to build our team.

Grasping at straws on this one. Neither team has much to contribute towards us. I don't think we will be getting much for the two guys that a lot of this board has been trying to get rid of.

Now we have 4 PFs. Our problem is what we could use the most is a starting PF or a swing PF/C. Bench PF or wings we have tons of.

[Eoghan]

I would MUCH rather have Acy than Evans. Acy looks like he's added a respectable 3-ball.

[MasterIchiro]

First off I don't think we should help the Cavs facilitate a trade for Love. I would prefer to keep Love out of the East. Cleveland is far more beatable without him. It's freakin' Kevin Love.

I think we should be helping the Warriors and trying to get Harrison Barnes.

If we help the Kings get Josh Smith we are helping the Pistons keep Greg Monroe and he may be one of our targets. I would try to get Ben McLemore.

But if we absolutely must help the Cavs, we should try to get Waiters.

I'm still wondering the trade(s) Cho started working on when he learned Lance was on the verge of accepting the offer from Dallas if Houston were to match Parsons. I wonder if he got involved in any of these deals. I mean I wonder if he gained sufficient traction or made enough progress worthy of revisiting the talks.

[EwingSweatsALot]

With our logjam on the wings, any chance we get in on being part of the Sac/Det trade? The big one is helping out the Cavs and Minny, but this one is also under talks as well.

Sac gets: Josh Smith and Gary Neal

Detroit gets: Derrick Williams, Jason Terry, and Gerald Henderson

Charlotte gets: Reggie Evans and a protected Sac pick

We get a servicable Jeff Adrien type PF that we can use for defensive and rebounding purposes, what we don't have there now. Evans is also an expiring. So we shed salary now and for next year.

Sac gets the guy they have wanted for about a year now in Josh Smith and a back up gunner in Neal that is an expiring.

Detroit gets rid of a bad contract and a guy that just doesn't fit for them. They upgrade at the 2 guard and get 12 million in expirings.

I would say we and Detroit would say no. Detroit because expirings might not be enough for them to get rid of Smith. We probably say no because we don't get enough on court help immediately for our two guys, though a top 8 that moves to a top 3 protected pick could be extremely valuable in the near future as we continue to build our team.

Grasping at straws on this one. Neither team has much to contribute towards us. I don't think we will be getting much for the two guys that a lot of this board has been trying to get rid of.

Now we have 4 PFs. Our problem is what we could use the most is a starting PF or a swing PF/C. Bench PF or wings we have tons of.

See there lies the issue with almost anything we can do. The position we need most has too many guys already in it, though I think we will see CZ play a good bit of C this year. The two guys we should get rid of in our wing log jam won't return us a starting PF. Possibly insert Zeller into the trade and then that gets rid of both log jams. Though I like Zeller has a future third big that can play both PF and C.

The Marvin signing has really hindered us from being able to upgrade our 4 spot without trading a young potential guy there. Some people have said Vonleh might see some time in the D-League this year because he is really raw, I don't see that, but that would leave us with 4 if we do trade for one.

[BeesWax]

With our logjam on the wings, any chance we get in on being part of the Sac/Det trade? The big one is helping out the Cavs and Minny, but this one is also under talks as well.

Sac gets: Josh Smith and Gary Neal

Detroit gets: Derrick Williams, Jason Terry, and Gerald Henderson

Charlotte gets: Reggie Evans and a protected Sac pick

We get a servicable Jeff Adrien type PF that we can use for defensive and rebounding purposes, what we don't have there now. Evans is also an expiring. So we shed salary now and for next year.

Sac gets the guy they have wanted for about a year now in Josh Smith and a back up gunner in Neal that is an expiring.

Detroit gets rid of a bad contract and a guy that just doesn't fit for them. They upgrade at the 2 guard and get 12 million in expirings.

I would say we and Detroit would say no. Detroit because expirings might not be enough for them to get rid of Smith. We probably say no because we don't get enough on court help immediately for our two guys, though a top 8 that moves to a top 3 protected pick could be extremely valuable in the near future as we continue to build our team.

Grasping at straws on this one. Neither team has much to contribute towards us. I don't think we will be getting much for the two guys that a lot of this board has been trying to get rid of.

Now we have 4 PFs. Our problem is what we could use the most is a starting PF or a swing PF/C. Bench PF or wings we have tons of.

See there lies the issue with almost anything we can do. The position we need most has too many guys already in it, though I think we will see CZ play a good bit of C this year. The two guys we should get rid of in our wing log jam won't return us a starting PF. Possibly insert Zeller into the trade and then that gets rid of both log jams. Though I like Zeller has a future third big that can play both PF and C.

The Marvin signing has really hindered us from being able to upgrade our 4 spot without trading a young potential guy there. Some people have said Vonleh might see some time in the D-League this year because he is really raw, I don't see that, but that would leave us with 4 if we do trade for one.

Marvin doesn't hurt us because he is the best guy we have. What hurts most is we have two guys who are young and we don't know what they will be. The ideal would be to move Zeller for a solid piece and get a starting PF on maybe a questionable contract. That is why. I lean for the Young and MCW trade. We upgrade at PF while keeping a veteran backup swing forward in Williams. We get a young piece in MCW who can provide a flexible roster spot.

[EwingSweatsALot]

First off I don't think we should help the Cavs facilitate a trade for Love. I would prefer to keep Love out of the East. Cleveland is far more beatable without him. It's freakin' Kevin Love.

I think we should be helping the Warriors and trying to get Harrison Barnes.

If we help the Kings get Josh Smith we are helping the Pistons keep Greg Monroe and he may be one of our targets. I would try to get Ben McLemore.

But if we absolutely must help the Cavs, we should try to get Waiters.

I'm still wondering the trade(s) Cho started working on when he learned Lance was on the verge of accepting the offer from Dallas if Houston were to match Parsons. I wonder if he got involved in any of these deals. I mean I wonder if he gained sufficient traction or made enough progress worthy of revisiting the talks.

I think Barnes would be more likely than Waiters. Cavs are going to have to do a massive salary dump to get the money to match and doing it with all rookie contracts is going to be difficult. I also don't see them trading both Wiggins and Waiters out and have a huge hole at the 2 guard, and I assume they don't want to fill that with Gerald Henderson. Henderson's 6 mil makes the money even more difficult as well because the Cavs would be taking in over 20 million and don't have much to send out that they would want to trade.

Barnes would seem more likely because the money is easier to work for all three teams. Talent is more on par with each team as well.

McLemore would be a possible get as well. I would actually like that if we could somehow get him. He is a shy guy that needs a strong locker room which we have and Sac doesn't. The money would work if we wanted to be a part of it.

At the end of the day, I would be surprised if we make any kind of deal before the season starts. Mostly because our guys that should be gotten rid of don't have a price that would help us unless we do a difficult three teamer.

[Eoghan]

Can we just trade Zeller for Noel straight up? Philly will go for it, they're down for super tanking, right?

We'll even throw in Neal and Brendan Haywood's sweaty, left behind headband.

[MasterIchiro]

First off I don't think we should help the Cavs facilitate a trade for Love. I would prefer to keep Love out of the East. Cleveland is far more beatable without him. It's freakin' Kevin Love.

I think we should be helping the Warriors and trying to get Harrison Barnes.

If we help the Kings get Josh Smith we are helping the Pistons keep Greg Monroe and he may be one of our targets. I would try to get Ben McLemore.

But if we absolutely must help the Cavs, we should try to get Waiters.

I'm still wondering the trade(s) Cho started working on when he learned Lance was on the verge of accepting the offer from Dallas if Houston were to match Parsons. I wonder if he got involved in any of these deals. I mean I wonder if he gained sufficient traction or made enough progress worthy of revisiting the talks.

I think Barnes would be more likely than Waiters. Cavs are going to have to do a massive salary dump to get the money to match and doing it with all rookie contracts is going to be difficult. I also don't see them trading both Wiggins and Waiters out and have a huge hole at the 2 guard, and I assume they don't want to fill that with Gerald Henderson. Henderson's 6 mil makes the money even more difficult as well because the Cavs would be taking in over 20 million and don't have much to send out that they would want to trade.

Barnes would seem more likely because the money is easier to work for all three teams. Talent is more on par with each team as well.

McLemore would be a possible get as well. I would actually like that if we could somehow get him. He is a shy guy that needs a strong locker room which we have and Sac doesn't. The money would work if we wanted to be a part of it.

At the end of the day, I would be surprised if we make any kind of deal before the season starts. Mostly because our guys that should be gotten rid of don't have a price that would help us unless we do a difficult three teamer.

Well here is a deal where we consolidate - we turn Hendo + Neal into Kevin Martin and Zeller into Harrison Barnes.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ppqdu2h

[MasterIchiro]

First off I don't think we should help the Cavs facilitate a trade for Love. I would prefer to keep Love out of the East. Cleveland is far more beatable without him. It's freakin' Kevin Love.

I think we should be helping the Warriors and trying to get Harrison Barnes.

If we help the Kings get Josh Smith we are helping the Pistons keep Greg Monroe and he may be one of our targets. I would try to get Ben McLemore.

But if we absolutely must help the Cavs, we should try to get Waiters.

I'm still wondering the trade(s) Cho started working on when he learned Lance was on the verge of accepting the offer from Dallas if Houston were to match Parsons. I wonder if he got involved in any of these deals. I mean I wonder if he gained sufficient traction or made enough progress worthy of revisiting the talks.

I think Barnes would be more likely than Waiters. Cavs are going to have to do a massive salary dump to get the money to match and doing it with all rookie contracts is going to be difficult. I also don't see them trading both Wiggins and Waiters out and have a huge hole at the 2 guard, and I assume they don't want to fill that with Gerald Henderson. Henderson's 6 mil makes the money even more difficult as well because the Cavs would be taking in over 20 million and don't have much to send out that they would want to trade.

Barnes would seem more likely because the money is easier to work for all three teams. Talent is more on par with each team as well.

McLemore would be a possible get as well. I would actually like that if we could somehow get him. He is a shy guy that needs a strong locker room which we have and Sac doesn't. The money would work if we wanted to be a part of it.

At the end of the day, I would be surprised if we make any kind of deal before the season starts. Mostly because our guys that should be gotten rid of don't have a price that would help us unless we do a difficult three teamer.

Well here is a deal where we consolidate - we turn Hendo + Neal into Kevin Martin and Zeller into Harrison Barnes.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ppqdu2h

That would give us better shooting at SG + SF on the bench and it would open up cap space to take on Jason Thompson for Taylor in a Josh Smith deal.

PG - Kemba Walker/Brian Roberts/Jannero Pargo
SG - Lance Stephenson/Kevin Martin/PJ Hairston
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Harrison Barnes/Marvin Williams
PF - Marvin Williams/Jason Thompson/Noah Vonleh
C - Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Jason Thompson

[Bassman]

I think Barnes would be more likely than Waiters. Cavs are going to have to do a massive salary dump to get the money to match and doing it with all rookie contracts is going to be difficult. I also don't see them trading both Wiggins and Waiters out and have a huge hole at the 2 guard, and I assume they don't want to fill that with Gerald Henderson. Henderson's 6 mil makes the money even more difficult as well because the Cavs would be taking in over 20 million and don't have much to send out that they would want to trade.

Barnes would seem more likely because the money is easier to work for all three teams. Talent is more on par with each team as well.

McLemore would be a possible get as well. I would actually like that if we could somehow get him. He is a shy guy that needs a strong locker room which we have and Sac doesn't. The money would work if we wanted to be a part of it.

At the end of the day, I would be surprised if we make any kind of deal before the season starts. Mostly because our guys that should be gotten rid of don't have a price that would help us unless we do a difficult three teamer.

Well here is a deal where we consolidate - we turn Hendo + Neal into Kevin Martin and Zeller into Harrison Barnes.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ppqdu2h

That would give us better shooting at SG + SF on the bench and it would open up cap space to take on Jason Thompson for Taylor in a Josh Smith deal.

PG - Kemba Walker/Brian Roberts/Jannero Pargo
SG - Lance Stephenson/Kevin Martin/PJ Hairston
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Harrison Barnes/Marvin Williams
PF - Marvin Williams/Jason Thompson/Noah Vonleh
C - Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Jason Thompson

I have no idea how possible that is, but it would give us a stacked team! Thompson would edge Marvin at the 4. Frankly Barnes might take more minutes from Hyphen than many would like. But quality depth no matter how you shake it out.

[MasterIchiro]

Well here is a deal where we consolidate - we turn Hendo + Neal into Kevin Martin and Zeller into Harrison Barnes.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ppqdu2h

That would give us better shooting at SG + SF on the bench and it would open up cap space to take on Jason Thompson for Taylor in a Josh Smith deal.

PG - Kemba Walker/Brian Roberts/Jannero Pargo
SG - Lance Stephenson/Kevin Martin/PJ Hairston
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Harrison Barnes/Marvin Williams
PF - Marvin Williams/Jason Thompson/Noah Vonleh
C - Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Jason Thompson

I have no idea how possible that is, but it would give us a stacked team! Thompson would edge Marvin at the 4. Frankly Barnes might take more minutes from Hyphen than many would like. But quality depth no matter how you shake it out.

The way I look at it

Kevin Martin > Henderson + Neal
Harrison Barnes > Taylor

We lose ground in the long run with Jason Thompson over Zeller but we have Vonleh there.

When we go to the bench in the playoffs, we will need legitimate outside threats to step in. I want to advance deep and I'm talking I want us in the NBA Championship.

[Braggins]

Couldn't we just do something like like Zeller + Neal + a 2nd round pick for Young? Although I'm pretty skeptical of Zeller's future, I'd rather not give up on him but Thad is pretty good and likely better than Zeller will ever be. I don't think we need MCW enough to throw in a first rounder like it would likely take to get him and Young. Ideally, I would like to get rid of Neal and Hendo so we can resign CDR but holding out for that perfect scenario probably isn't worth passing up an opportunity to get Young. We could actually still resign CDR because he is better at SG and Hendo is probably better as a backup SF anyways and losing Zeller would open up more minutes for Marvin at PF so we wouldn't need to use him at SF any to give him minutes. This would leave us with

Kemba/Roberts/Pargo
Lance/CDR/Hairston
MKG/Hendo/JT
Thad/Marvin/Vonleh
Al/Biz

I actually really like this roster. Lance could be our primary backup at PG which would open up more minutes at SG and SF for CDR and Hendo and Roberts probably isn't going to cause problems if he gets very limited minutes. Does anyone think that trade is even realistic? Philly gets a Young prospect, a future pick, a much needed shooter on an expiring deal, and they clear a couple million in cap. That seems like a solid haul.

[Braggins]

I think my favorite targets for our starting PF job are Jeff Green, Thad Young, and Ersan Ilyasova, in that order. I don't know as much about Young as Green so I wouldn't be surprised if he is actually the better pickup. I just really like Green's shooting on our team.

[TheKingofSting]

Marvin is the starter.