Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

Post #1321 » by **dms269** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:15 am

theatlfan wrote:
uga_dawgs24 wrote:With our current contract situations, I don't think it is smart to trade away draft picks that far into the future (2017). The possibility of no Love and no Horford is very scary when it comes to not having your draft pick. I have seen the Braves makes this mistake all too often.
Braves? You can't trade draft picks in baseball... Or at least not until recently and we've never had one we could trade (only the Competitive Balnce picks can be traded). Think you may be thinking of a different situation... ?

Like others had said, the Braves have traded away top youth in order to get one year/two year rentals on players who then bolted. They have already mentioned the trading away of Harrison, Feliz, and Andrus, however you can even go all the way back to when we traded Wainwright for J.D. Drew.

DaddyCool19 · Post #1322 » by **DaddyCool19** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:10 am

Lets say the Cavs are want to trade for Horford but don't want to trade Wiggins or Kyrie for him. What would it require to make the Hawks accept?
Thompson+Waiters+Bennett+ Memphis and Miami 1st round pick. Would that be enough?

theatlfan · Post #1323 » by **theatlfan** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:01 pm

Kaioken wrote:Lets say the Cavs are want to trade for Horford but don't want to trade Wiggins or Kyrie for him. What would it require to make the Hawks accept?
Thompson+Waiters+Bennett+ Memphis and Miami 1st round pick. Would that be enough?

Honestly, I don't see either Bennett or Thompson having much, if any, value for us. At this point, I can't see Thompson as anything more than a 3rd or 4th big whose draft position might make his QO restrictive. All Bennett has done is help get the former regime fired.

I'd consider a deal around Waiters, both the MEM & MIA 1st, and filler (which I'd assume to be 1 of those young bigs), but I'd think we'd need another deal in place for a C 1st.

pickIBL · Post #1324 » by **pickIBL** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:38 pm

Ainge has made it no secret Jeff Green is pretty much on the block. He fits well for the Hawks at the 3 with Thabo starting at the 2.

Post #1325 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:40 pm

Kaioken wrote:Lets say the Cavs are want to trade for Horford but don't want to trade Wiggins or Kyrie for him. What would it require to make the Hawks accept?
Thompson+Waiters+Bennett+ Memphis and Miami 1st round pick. Would that be enough?

Agree wholeheartedly with the post above by theatlfan.

it costs something to get something. Throwing us table scraps for our best player...not gonna work in this scenario.

theatlfan · Post #1326 » by **theatlfan** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:48 pm

pickIBL wrote:Ainge has made it no secret Jeff Green is pretty much on the block. He fits well for the Hawks at the 3 with Thabo starting at the 2.

I think any interest we may have had was quickly squashed when BOS requested Carroll back. Now that we have Thabo & Bazemore in tow, I can't see us having any interest in Jeff Green anymore.

pickIBL · Post #1327 » by **pickIBL** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:06 pm

theatlfan wrote:
pickIBL wrote:Ainge has made it no secret Jeff Green is pretty much on the block. He fits well for the Hawks at the 3 with Thabo starting at the 2.

I think any interest we may have had was quickly squashed when BOS requested Carroll back. Now that we have Thabo & Bazemore in tow, I can't see us having any interest in Jeff Green anymore.

Bazemore is a fun project. Thabo is a defender. There is still a need for a guy like Green from my point of view. And there aren't teams running to take on that kind of money. I'd offer Schroder and nothing more. Actually the two extra 2nd rounders Atlanta has might be the ticket.

Swish4 · Post #1328 » by **Swish4** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:26 am

Rumors of a Pekovic - Milsap trade in the works. Have you guys heard anything on that?

Post #1329 » by **Hawk Eye** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:36 am

Swish4 wrote:Rumors of a Pekovic - Milsap trade in the works. Have you guys heard anything on that?

Haven't heard a peep? You got the sources to back it up?

Post #1330 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:47 am

Prestonmott wrote:
Swish4 wrote:Rumors of a Pekovic - Milsap trade in the works. Have you guys heard anything on that?

Haven't heard a peep? You got the sources to back it up?

I haven't heard this specific trade. But I have heard numerous whispers of Pekovic being on the trading block.

It's ironic, now that Minny has seen Gorgui Dieng as such an effective starting Center, Pekovic has been made expendable.

theatlfan · Post #1331 » by **theatlfan** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:33 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Prestonmott wrote:
Swish4 wrote:Rumors of a Pekovic - Milsap trade in the works. Have you guys heard anything on that?

Haven't heard a peep? You got the sources to back it up?

I haven't heard this specific trade. But I have heard numerous whispers of Pekovic being on the trading block.

It's ironic, now that Minny has seen Gorgui Dieng as such an effective starting Center, Pekovic has been made expendable.

While I'm sure that Dieng wasn't completely apart from consideration, I think the much bigger picture here is that MIN is looking to move on - either w/ or w/o Love. Pek doesn't fit with Love and isn't on the court enough to be reliable to build around (while also being a non-standard part in the current NBA). Regardless of their direction, Pek is a square peg in a round hole.

Post #1332 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:00 pm

theatlfan wrote:While I'm sure that Dieng wasn't completely apart from consideration, I think the much bigger picture here is that MIN is looking to move on - either w/ or w/o Love. Pek doesn't fit with Love and isn't on the court enough to be reliable to build around (while also being a non-standard part in the current NBA). Regardless of their direction, Pek is a square peg in a round hole.

Good points, as always.

I was just repeating an NBC Sports article months ago that speculated either Dieng or Pekovic should be traded. They favored Dieng as a defensive anchor at Center and predicted Pekovic could garner more in trade.

Gorgui Dieng’s breakthrough opens options for Minnesota Timberwolves
They must consider trading the 28-year-old Pekovic, who will have four years and $47.9 million left on his contract. He’s 17.8 points and 8.8 rebounds per game this season, a career year. He should still hold value around the league, and Minnesota could use whatever he fetches in a trade plus the possible salary savings to upgrade its roster. Then, Dieng could start regularly.

Rip2137 · Post #1333 » by **Rip2137** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:45 pm

I think the reason Dieng would be favored is his contract vs Pekovics.

Post #1334 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:10 pm

Rip2137 wrote:I think the reason Dieng would be favored is his contract vs Pekovics.

Good point. And I am 100% certain that plays a part in it.

But I've read a number of articles, blogs, posts that cite Dieng's superior defense as a reason as well:

Second, Pek doesn't play defense, he can't move his feet very well and he doesn't protect the rim. Who does that sound like? Yes, Kevin Love. The exact opposite is what the team needs and he's already on the roster. He's young and hungry. He's the NBA's Rookie of the month. He's Gorgui Dieng.

http://www.105theticket.com/common/page.php?pt=Trade+Pek%2C+Not+Love&id=3613&is_corp=0

Again, a lot of rumor and innuendo primarily. But the chatter makes sense.

Pek's salary also make it easier to get fair value in trade:

Or the Timberwolves could trade Dieng, though it’s not easy to trade players on rookie contracts. Few teams are willing to part with their own rookies, i.e., the players who have similar values and matching contracts.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/31/extra-pass-gorgui-diengs-breakthrough-opens-options-for-minnesota-timberwolves/

Also: Pek's $12 million per year price tag is pretty reasonable based on his production.

SBM · Post #1335 » by **SBM** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:32 pm

I would not trade Al to Cleveland without getting Wiggins. Sap for Pek is not a good longterm deal for us. We take on too much salary. Would need a serious sweetner to make that work. Green, I am not a fan of his contract either.

theatlfan · Post #1336 » by **theatlfan** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:09 pm

One thing to note with Pek is that he's hurt - a lot. In fact, one of MIN's designs was to split his time with Dieng and limit Pek to 20-24 minutes per game. The figuring was that lowering his overall minute total and matching his per game minutes to the European way should help in ensuring he plays every game (he misses about 20 every year) which, in turn, should help the team overall.

Chew on that for a sec: $12M for a C who plays about 1/2 the game...

Post #1337 » by **ATL Boy** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:34 pm

^ ummm...

Post #1338 » by **Hawk Eye** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:47 pm

Where the F*** did that post come from? ^

theatlfan · Post #1339 » by **theatlfan** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:10 am

Guys - it took him 4 posts to get suspended. I actually feel kind of privileged that our board somehow made the list of 4...

Post #1340 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:45 am

theatlfan wrote:Chew on that for a sec: $12M for a C who plays about 1/2 the game...

Sadly, you just described the Hawks future approach to AL Horford.

But either way, if those guys can maintain actual averages of 18/8, it's still a solid contract. Let's be honest, top players earn their contracts by making it to the playoffs healthy. MIA and SAS have shown me that playing stars 28 mpg for about 65 games a year is a necessary evil during the regular season.