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Re: What teams would take Steve Nash if Lakers included Rand 

Post#81 » by KobeKenobi » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:53 pm

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KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:I don't see a single team with cap space outside of Cleveland or Miami that wouldn't.

Suns being the first that would.


Only way we trade randle/nash back to phenox is for goron dragic. Dragic is the only guy I see worth trading Randle for....that or Kevin Love as long as both give verbal commitmentd to resign as well...

Dragic / Lin
Kobe / Young
Davis / Hill / Sacre
Boozer / Kelly
Xavier / ?


Are you insane? Randle for Dragic? I'll take my chances with Lin at PG and hold onto Randle. Man, and I was going to defend you for that Marshall post :lol:


You gotta be kidding me after what Dragic did last season! Did you watch the guy?
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Post#82 » by HoopsterJones » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:08 am

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KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:I don't see a single team with cap space outside of Cleveland or Miami that wouldn't.

Suns being the first that would.


Only way we trade randle/nash back to phenox is for goron dragic. Dragic is the only guy I see worth trading Randle for....that or Kevin Love as long as both give verbal commitmentd to resign as well...

Dragic / Lin
Kobe / Young
Davis / Hill / Sacre
Boozer / Kelly
Xavier / ?


Minnesota wouldn't even take Randle for Love. They want more than just Wiggins (#1) and Bennett (Throw in #1). They want Waiters, possibly another player, AND a draft pick. Lakers have nothing in terms of assets to match that or what GS is offering. Case in point, the Lakers waived Marshall because he is not a valuable trade asset.
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Post#83 » by NothingButLuck » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:22 am

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Only way we trade randle/nash back to phenox is for goron dragic. Dragic is the only guy I see worth trading Randle for....that or Kevin Love as long as both give verbal commitmentd to resign as well...

Dragic / Lin
Kobe / Young
Davis / Hill / Sacre
Boozer / Kelly
Xavier / ?


Are you insane? Randle for Dragic? I'll take my chances with Lin at PG and hold onto Randle. Man, and I was going to defend you for that Marshall post :lol:


You gotta be kidding me after what Dragic did last season! Did you watch the guy?

Dragic has only a year left on his contract (he'll be a fool to take that player option), so are you going to pay him the max to keep him? Guys like Parsons and Hayward are getting max. He's good, but I would want a superstar in LA if I'm going to pay someone max dollars.
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Re: What teams would take Steve Nash if Lakers included Rand 

Post#84 » by KobeKenobi » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:00 am

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KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:I don't see a single team with cap space outside of Cleveland or Miami that wouldn't.

Suns being the first that would.


Only way we trade randle/nash back to phenox is for goron dragic. Dragic is the only guy I see worth trading Randle for....that or Kevin Love as long as both give verbal commitmentd to resign as well...

Dragic / Lin
Kobe / Young
Davis / Hill / Sacre
Boozer / Kelly
Xavier / ?


Minnesota wouldn't even take Randle for Love. They want more than just Wiggins (#1) and Bennett (Throw in #1). They want Waiters, possibly another player, AND a draft pick. Lakers have nothing in terms of assets to match that or what GS is offering. Case in point, the Lakers waived Marshall because he is not a valuable trade asset.

Bennet is a bust. He will be a decent 3rd string player. Wiggins looks to be a bust as well. Cavs are trading 2 lottery busts for a superstar? Its no wonder the wolves are not biting. Wiggins looked horrid in the summer games. He's not a game changer. He will be a decent defender and 10-12 ppg guy off the bench. Sorry.
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Re: What teams would take Steve Nash if Lakers included Rand 

Post#85 » by HoopsterJones » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:12 am

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Only way we trade randle/nash back to phenox is for goron dragic. Dragic is the only guy I see worth trading Randle for....that or Kevin Love as long as both give verbal commitmentd to resign as well...

Dragic / Lin
Kobe / Young
Davis / Hill / Sacre
Boozer / Kelly
Xavier / ?


Minnesota wouldn't even take Randle for Love. They want more than just Wiggins (#1) and Bennett (Throw in #1). They want Waiters, possibly another player, AND a draft pick. Lakers have nothing in terms of assets to match that or what GS is offering. Case in point, the Lakers waived Marshall because he is not a valuable trade asset.

Bennet is a bust. He will be a decent 3rd string player. Wiggins looks to be a bust as well. Cavs are trading 2 lottery busts for a superstar? Its no wonder the wolves are not biting. Wiggins looked horrid in the summer games. He's not a game changer. He will be a decent defender and 10-12 ppg guy off the bench. Sorry.


Julius Randle looks terrible in summer league too. Over dribbling, trying to play point forward (and not doing well at it). I watched his last game and he looked terrible, tried to dribble through contact and turned around and tossed the ball at the basket (and missed by a wide wide margin). Wiggins definitely looks better than Randle at this point. But it's just summer league.

Also you don't exactly have a good track record on evaluating potential. Like with Marshall (on ROIDS!).
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Re: What teams would take Steve Nash if Lakers included Rand 

Post#86 » by KobeKenobi » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:15 am

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Minnesota wouldn't even take Randle for Love. They want more than just Wiggins (#1) and Bennett (Throw in #1). They want Waiters, possibly another player, AND a draft pick. Lakers have nothing in terms of assets to match that or what GS is offering. Case in point, the Lakers waived Marshall because he is not a valuable trade asset.

Bennet is a bust. He will be a decent 3rd string player. Wiggins looks to be a bust as well. Cavs are trading 2 lottery busts for a superstar? Its no wonder the wolves are not biting. Wiggins looked horrid in the summer games. He's not a game changer. He will be a decent defender and 10-12 ppg guy off the bench. Sorry.


Julius Randle looks terrible in summer league too. Over dribbling, trying to play point forward (and not doing well at it). I watched his last game and he looked terrible, tried to dribble through contact and turned around and tossed the ball at the basket (and missed by a wide wide margin). Wiggins definitely looks better than Randle at this point. But it's just summer league.

Also you don't exactly have a good track record on evaluating potential. Like with Marshall (on ROIDS!).

Randle and jabari showed the most promise. Randle also went 5 for 7 in the 4th quarter of that game.
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Re: What teams would take Steve Nash if Lakers included Rand 

Post#87 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:27 am

KobeKenobi wrote:Randle and jabari showed the most promise. Randle also went 5 for 7 in the 4th quarter of that game.


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Re: What teams would take Steve Nash if Lakers included Rand 

Post#88 » by HoopsterJones » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:33 am

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KobeKenobi wrote:Bennet is a bust. He will be a decent 3rd string player. Wiggins looks to be a bust as well. Cavs are trading 2 lottery busts for a superstar? Its no wonder the wolves are not biting. Wiggins looked horrid in the summer games. He's not a game changer. He will be a decent defender and 10-12 ppg guy off the bench. Sorry.


Julius Randle looks terrible in summer league too. Over dribbling, trying to play point forward (and not doing well at it). I watched his last game and he looked terrible, tried to dribble through contact and turned around and tossed the ball at the basket (and missed by a wide wide margin). Wiggins definitely looks better than Randle at this point. But it's just summer league.

Also you don't exactly have a good track record on evaluating potential. Like with Marshall (on ROIDS!).

Randle and jabari showed the most promise. Randle also went 5 for 7 in the 4th quarter of that game.


3 big TO's and some terrible decision making. He can't even get more than 4 rebounds per game in summer league. From the small sample size I've seen, he's noting special. Jabari is balling though. Wiggins has shown flashes a great moves, but he needs polish to his game. He has high upside though.
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Post#89 » by Slava » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:34 am

Yeah TJ, McBuckets have both been phenomenal. Although not a rookie, I really like the make of this Rudy Gobert guy for Utah. Looks like a better player than Kanter.
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Post#90 » by HoopsterJones » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:38 am

Slava wrote:Yeah TJ, McBuckets have both been phenomenal. Although not a rookie, I really like the make of this Rudy Gobert guy for Utah. Looks like a better player than Kanter.


McBuckets and Tony Snell have been looking good. I was hoping Mirotic could get some burn in the summer league so I can finally get to see him play.

Jordan McCrae looks good for Philly too. Late 2nd rounder.
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Re: What teams would take Steve Nash if Lakers included Rand 

Post#91 » by JellosJigglin » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:57 am

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Only way we trade randle/nash back to phenox is for goron dragic. Dragic is the only guy I see worth trading Randle for....that or Kevin Love as long as both give verbal commitmentd to resign as well...

Dragic / Lin
Kobe / Young
Davis / Hill / Sacre
Boozer / Kelly
Xavier / ?


Are you insane? Randle for Dragic? I'll take my chances with Lin at PG and hold onto Randle. Man, and I was going to defend you for that Marshall post :lol:


You gotta be kidding me after what Dragic did last season! Did you watch the guy?


I watched him play and I still wouldn't do it. The Lakers don't need Lin and Dragic. They're not the Suns, collecting as many PG's as they can. Randle has a unique combination of size and speed that you don't see often. If he pans out he'll be a force to be reckoned with.
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Re: What teams would take Steve Nash if Lakers included Rand 

Post#92 » by IGSaint » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:06 am

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Julius Randle looks terrible in summer league too. Over dribbling, trying to play point forward (and not doing well at it). I watched his last game and he looked terrible, tried to dribble through contact and turned around and tossed the ball at the basket (and missed by a wide wide margin). Wiggins definitely looks better than Randle at this point. But it's just summer league.

Also you don't exactly have a good track record on evaluating potential. Like with Marshall (on ROIDS!).

Randle and jabari showed the most promise. Randle also went 5 for 7 in the 4th quarter of that game.


3 big TO's and some terrible decision making. He can't even get more than 4 rebounds per game in summer league. From the small sample size I've seen, he's noting special. Jabari is balling though. Wiggins has shown flashes a great moves, but he needs polish to his game. He has high upside though.


I don't get this. Randle has shown just as much flashes of greatness as have jabari, wiggins, exum etc. I don't know how you can complain about Randle's 3 turnovers(ESPECIALLY SINCE HE"S A ROOKIE) and not complain about the turnovers that Exum, Wiggins, and Parker have caused. Randle is a 6'9 big man who has the handles of a guard and can either post up or take his man off the dribble depending on the situation. From what I've seen other than the rebounds, Randle has been on of the better lottery propects showing out during this summer league.
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Post#93 » by HoopsterJones » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:20 am

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KobeKenobi wrote:Randle and jabari showed the most promise. Randle also went 5 for 7 in the 4th quarter of that game.


3 big TO's and some terrible decision making. He can't even get more than 4 rebounds per game in summer league. From the small sample size I've seen, he's noting special. Jabari is balling though. Wiggins has shown flashes a great moves, but he needs polish to his game. He has high upside though.


I don't get this. Randle has shown just as much flashes of greatness as have jabari, wiggins, exum etc. I don't know how you can complain about Randle's 3 turnovers(ESPECIALLY SINCE HE"S A ROOKIE) and not complain about the turnovers that Exum, Wiggins, and Parker have caused. Randle is a 6'9 big man who has the handles of a guard and can either post up or take his man off the dribble depending on the situation. From what I've seen other than the rebounds, Randle has been on of the better lottery propects showing out during this summer league.


Randle hasn't impressed me a whole lot. He looks to be a solid player, but he lacks the length you'd like to see in a big man (6'11" wingspan). He has legit size and can muscle shots up, but again we'll see. His 12 ppg 4 rpg on sub 45% FG in Summer League doesn't wow me. I watched the game against GS too, and he was making terrible decisions down the stretch that let GS climb back in the game. Jabari, McDermott, TJ Warren, and Wiggins has impressed me more out of the lottery guys.
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Post#94 » by KobeKenobi » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:44 am

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3 big TO's and some terrible decision making. He can't even get more than 4 rebounds per game in summer league. From the small sample size I've seen, he's noting special. Jabari is balling though. Wiggins has shown flashes a great moves, but he needs polish to his game. He has high upside though.


I don't get this. Randle has shown just as much flashes of greatness as have jabari, wiggins, exum etc. I don't know how you can complain about Randle's 3 turnovers(ESPECIALLY SINCE HE"S A ROOKIE) and not complain about the turnovers that Exum, Wiggins, and Parker have caused. Randle is a 6'9 big man who has the handles of a guard and can either post up or take his man off the dribble depending on the situation. From what I've seen other than the rebounds, Randle has been on of the better lottery propects showing out during this summer league.


Randle hasn't impressed me a whole lot. He looks to be a solid player, but he lacks the length you'd like to see in a big man (6'11" wingspan). He has legit size and can muscle shots up, but again we'll see. His 12 ppg 4 rpg on sub 45% FG in Summer League doesn't wow me. I watched the game against GS too, and he was making terrible decisions down the stretch that let GS climb back in the game. Jabari, McDermott, TJ Warren, and Wiggins has impressed me more out of the lottery guys.

It is hard to judge randle right now. He is very quick for his size and he has an array of moves, and good footwork. Randle is still just a kid though. He is already banging and loves the contact. He will only get bigger and stronger. I don't think length is an issue. He is the 2nd most NBA ready guy behind jabari that's for sure.
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Post#96 » by IGSaint » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:15 pm

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3 big TO's and some terrible decision making. He can't even get more than 4 rebounds per game in summer league. From the small sample size I've seen, he's noting special. Jabari is balling though. Wiggins has shown flashes a great moves, but he needs polish to his game. He has high upside though.


I don't get this. Randle has shown just as much flashes of greatness as have jabari, wiggins, exum etc. I don't know how you can complain about Randle's 3 turnovers(ESPECIALLY SINCE HE"S A ROOKIE) and not complain about the turnovers that Exum, Wiggins, and Parker have caused. Randle is a 6'9 big man who has the handles of a guard and can either post up or take his man off the dribble depending on the situation. From what I've seen other than the rebounds, Randle has been on of the better lottery propects showing out during this summer league.


Randle hasn't impressed me a whole lot. He looks to be a solid player, but he lacks the length you'd like to see in a big man (6'11" wingspan). He has legit size and can muscle shots up, but again we'll see. His 12 ppg 4 rpg on sub 45% FG in Summer League doesn't wow me. I watched the game against GS too, and he was making terrible decisions down the stretch that let GS climb back in the game. Jabari, McDermott, TJ Warren, and Wiggins has impressed me more out of the lottery guys.


Randle has the same arm length and size as Blake griffin and Kevin Love. And Griffin has done well bullying at the nba level so concerns for Randle's size are overblown. And it is summer league so being overly concerned with shooting percentage doesn't make sense. Until yesterday jabari parker had been shooting 37% and Wiggins is shooting under 40% for summer league. Exum had an awful shooting game the other day too going 1-8. So it's not like the summer league should be used as some sort of prognosticator of future success. Looking at the positives of Randle though and he has shown flashes of brilliance. He has shown he can take his man off the dribble to score or go into an effective postup. He has also shown that he can be a point forward by passing it to the open man should he get double teamed. How many big men in the league do you know that can do all that? Griffin, Love, Anthony Davis,? Those are some good people to be in company for Randle should he keep developing which I know he will.
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Post#97 » by frozt » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:32 pm

Randle's issue, is he doesn't have a solid mid range. He looks rough, but one things for sure. He can get to the basket and draw fouls, at least take guys his size off the dribble. If he can form any semblance of a jumper, he'll be solid at least for the rest of his career.
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Post#98 » by HoopsterJones » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:09 pm

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I don't get this. Randle has shown just as much flashes of greatness as have jabari, wiggins, exum etc. I don't know how you can complain about Randle's 3 turnovers(ESPECIALLY SINCE HE"S A ROOKIE) and not complain about the turnovers that Exum, Wiggins, and Parker have caused. Randle is a 6'9 big man who has the handles of a guard and can either post up or take his man off the dribble depending on the situation. From what I've seen other than the rebounds, Randle has been on of the better lottery propects showing out during this summer league.


Randle hasn't impressed me a whole lot. He looks to be a solid player, but he lacks the length you'd like to see in a big man (6'11" wingspan). He has legit size and can muscle shots up, but again we'll see. His 12 ppg 4 rpg on sub 45% FG in Summer League doesn't wow me. I watched the game against GS too, and he was making terrible decisions down the stretch that let GS climb back in the game. Jabari, McDermott, TJ Warren, and Wiggins has impressed me more out of the lottery guys.


Randle has the same arm length and size as Blake griffin and Kevin Love. And Griffin has done well bullying at the nba level so concerns for Randle's size are overblown. And it is summer league so being overly concerned with shooting percentage doesn't make sense. Until yesterday jabari parker had been shooting 37% and Wiggins is shooting under 40% for summer league. Exum had an awful shooting game the other day too going 1-8. So it's not like the summer league should be used as some sort of prognosticator of future success. Looking at the positives of Randle though and he has shown flashes of brilliance. He has shown he can take his man off the dribble to score or go into an effective postup. He has also shown that he can be a point forward by passing it to the open man should he get double teamed. How many big men in the league do you know that can do all that? Griffin, Love, Anthony Davis,? Those are some good people to be in company for Randle should he keep developing which I know he will.


Blake Griffin is more athletic than Randle. Kevin Love is obviously a far better shooter than Randle. Anthony Davis is a beast. and Randle doesn't possess the skill and length that he does.

It's as you say summer league when he's taking his man off the dribble. The low rpg is a concern for a guy who can't grab boards in the summer league. I think he'll develop to a solid starter in the league, fringe All-Star maybe, but not a franchise player. Third option seems more likely.
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Post#100 » by JellosJigglin » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:41 pm

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I don't get this. Randle has shown just as much flashes of greatness as have jabari, wiggins, exum etc. I don't know how you can complain about Randle's 3 turnovers(ESPECIALLY SINCE HE"S A ROOKIE) and not complain about the turnovers that Exum, Wiggins, and Parker have caused. Randle is a 6'9 big man who has the handles of a guard and can either post up or take his man off the dribble depending on the situation. From what I've seen other than the rebounds, Randle has been on of the better lottery propects showing out during this summer league.


Randle hasn't impressed me a whole lot. He looks to be a solid player, but he lacks the length you'd like to see in a big man (6'11" wingspan). He has legit size and can muscle shots up, but again we'll see. His 12 ppg 4 rpg on sub 45% FG in Summer League doesn't wow me. I watched the game against GS too, and he was making terrible decisions down the stretch that let GS climb back in the game. Jabari, McDermott, TJ Warren, and Wiggins has impressed me more out of the lottery guys.


Randle has the same arm length and size as Blake griffin and Kevin Love. And Griffin has done well bullying at the nba level so concerns for Randle's size are overblown. And it is summer league so being overly concerned with shooting percentage doesn't make sense. Until yesterday jabari parker had been shooting 37% and Wiggins is shooting under 40% for summer league. Exum had an awful shooting game the other day too going 1-8. So it's not like the summer league should be used as some sort of prognosticator of future success. Looking at the positives of Randle though and he has shown flashes of brilliance. He has shown he can take his man off the dribble to score or go into an effective postup. He has also shown that he can be a point forward by passing it to the open man should he get double teamed. How many big men in the league do you know that can do all that? Griffin, Love, Anthony Davis,? Those are some good people to be in company for Randle should he keep developing which I know he will.


^This is how you evaluate talent in Summer League. You look at the talent on the floor and how it can best be used in a real game. You do not evaluate a rookie in summer league based on situational awareness and box score stats. Summer League is akin to jungle ball, just a bunch of guys trying to stand out and earn a contract whether it be for the NBA, D-League or European scouts. Randle already has a guaranteed contract, his teammates don't.

Just evaluating Randle's raw talent alone, he's better than I expected. I didn't know he could handle the ball as well as he's shown. When he drives inside the paint it reminds me of Lebron, bodies just bounce off of him and they have to foul him (he has no off-hand to speak of but neither did a lot of pros when they entered the league). He has similar strength and foot speed, but with a wider base to bang with the bigs in the paint. We haven't seen that reflect in the rebound numbers because they have him playing as more of a point-forward from the perimeter.

I'd like to see them play him as more of a traditional post-up 4 so he can attack closer to the basket. I think they don't have a lot of faith in the guards to throw him entry passes, so they have him on the perimeter to ensure he gets enough touches.

I like that when the game is tight going down the stretch, he seeks out the ball. He has a winning attitude. Last night 2 points going into the 4th quarter, 12 points in the 4th. Against GS he called for the ball in the clutch and kept taking it to the rim.

Passing, better than I realized. He's been driving and kicking out to open shooters off the dribble. Did not know he could do that. He's been dropping it off to teammates under the basket. Pleasant surprise.

Defense is going to be an issue at the next level largely because of his wingspan. If placed next to a rim-protecting center, it won't be as much of an issue. He measured at the combine with a 7'0" wingspan and 8'9.5" standing reach, compared to Blake Griffin, Thaddeus Young and Kevin Love who each have 6'11.25" wingspan. Those guys are able to make up for it in other ways. Randle will need to develop a midrange J and a right-hand if he wants to even begin to be compared to those guys. Point being, the wing span will not be a major hinderance if he works on his skill-set.

He's shown just as many flashes as Wiggins, Exum and Parker. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise unless they're just reading box scores. When he's at his best, I can't think of any 4 in the league that has his unique combination of talents. We'll just have to wait and see if he's able to bring it all together.
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