Bruno Caboclo discussion thread

[MEDIC]

Chris Bosh was pretty raw when he came into the league too, but he grew into a helluva player. I remember a game where we had Bosh guarding Shaq and you couldn't even see him. The good thing back then was that we could throw Bosh to the wolves since we sucked, but with Bruno we're playing for something so it's tough.

True. But I think Bosh was a lot more NBA ready than T-Mac was. At least he had a year of college under his belt. He had some time to develop skill & mature.

Just think of how much further along Bruno would be if he had spent a full season in the NCAA before declaring for the draft.

[Roland Brice]

Chris Bosh was pretty raw when he came into the league too, but he grew into a helluva player. I remember a game where we had Bosh guarding Shaq and you couldn't even see him. The good thing back then was that we could throw Bosh to the wolves since we sucked, but with Bruno we're playing for something so it's tough.

True. But I think Bosh was a lot more NBA ready than T-Mac was. At least he had a year of college under his belt. He had some time to develop skill & mature.

Just think of how much further along Bruno would be if he had spent a full season in the NCAA before declaring for the draft.

That bodes well for us because a year in the NBA trumps a year in college. Also, if Bruno had been in the NCAA we wouldn't be in a position to pick him.

[Slackstring701]

It took DeMar till year 5 to really take off.

It's gonna take Bruno awhile to crack our rotation, especially with how deep Masai likes to build his teams

[Kabookalu]

It took DeMar till year 5 to really take off.

It's gonna take Bruno awhile to crack our rotation, especially with how deep Masai likes to build his teams

Despite his rawness I think Bruno will develop faster than DeRozan did. One because Bruno has a much better jumpshot going into their rookie years than DeRozan. I think people here underrate just how much not having a jumpshot can hold players back. Two, while DeRozan is a hard worker, I think Bruno has him beat there. And three, Bruno is more physically gifted than DeRozan.

Bruno is going to have a lot of growing pains, but not as much as DeRozan did imo.

[TheGoodDoctor]

It took DeMar till year 5 to really take off.

It's gonna take Bruno awhile to crack our rotation, especially with how deep Masai likes to build his teams

Despite his rawness I think Bruno will develop faster than DeRozan did. One because Bruno has a much better jumpshot going into their rookie years than DeRozan. I think people here underrate just how much not having a jumpshot can hold players back. Two, while DeRozan is a hard worker, I think Bruno has him beat there. And three, Bruno is more physically gifted than DeRozan.

Bruno is going to have a lot of growing pains, but not as much as DeRozan did imo.

Hmm I have a hard time putting many players above DeRozan's work ethic besides the truly elite like Kobe or LeBron but I agree with the other points of Bruno being a lot more physically gifted and being more naturally talented. Really DeMar's progression is a testament to his insane work ethic given how raw he was.

Personally I think Bruno can be a (potentially much) better scoring version of Tayshaun Prince. He doesn't have the footspeed or athleticism to really become an elite SF like Durant imo but he can be very, very good. At #20 in the draft I have no idea how we can expect more than that and funny how we would be building a similar dynamic to *ahem* the Pistons...Lowry/Billups, Ross/Hamilton (even DD has good midrange), Bruno (Prince), 2Pat (poorman's Sheed), of course Val is the opposite of Wallace BUT still has the potential to be a great fitting, tough scrappy team all the same. With Bruno in the fold if Val did actually become more in the mold of Noah we would be a very, very tough team in the next couple of years.

[rgill15]

[Crazomali]

He's the Brazilian KD I'll say it a brazillion times

[Dukenukem23]

He's the Brazilian Rashard Lewis. I like what Casey said when he compared his game to that of Rashard Lewis in Seattle. Lewis started out in Seattle as a long, skinny SF with a good 3 ball. Then when he went to Orlando he transitioned into playing the 4 in his first year and spent the majority of his career there, here he drained more 3's in his career than ever. I see the same career trajectory for Bruno. Starting at the SF initially, but then later blossoming as a 4 man when he adds bulk. There he can take advantage of his speed and take guys off the dribble if they guard the 3 pt shot too closely.

[raptor jesus]

This is the most critical and unflattering piece you'll read on Bruno today from somebody that knows hoops. And yet despite all that it's still optimistic, suggesting that he's still one of the more intriguing picks past 20 in recent draft history and reminding that where he a right now isn't anywhere near as exciting as where he may be ale to go. He's years away from his prime.

Nice find. My only issue with the article is that the author reaches to quantify Bruno's "defensive struggle" to fit his narrative:

Harris scored 33 points with Bruno draped over him for a majority of the 19 shots it took to get there. It was a constant defensive struggle

While Bruno did struggle, he didn't get lit up by Harris. That statement struck me as grandiose, so I watched Harris's highlights from that game and he scored one basket against Bruno - a driving lay up. Now his struggles were certainly evident, but more so in the sense of awareness, which isn't as easy to quantify. Seems like this guy just cherry picked a high scoring Raptor opponent who Bruno spent a possession here and there guarding in an attempt to do so.

[barrist]

It took DeMar till year 5 to really take off.

It's gonna take Bruno awhile to crack our rotation, especially with how deep Masai likes to build his teams

Despite his rawness I think Bruno will develop faster than DeRozan did. One because Bruno has a much better jumpshot going into their rookie years than DeRozan. I think people here underrate just how much not having a jumpshot can hold players back. Two, while DeRozan is a hard worker, I think Bruno has him beat there. And three, Bruno is more physically gifted than DeRozan.

Bruno is going to have a lot of growing pains, but not as much as DeRozan did imo.

How can we possibly know this?

[Kabookalu]

How can we possibly know this?

We don't and probably never will get a quantifiable answer to that question outside of their hours at the gym being monitored. I'm led to saying that because every interview and video I've watched of Bruno so far I've gathered that he does nothing but eat, sleep, and think about basketball. Seems like he's always at the gym. I don't think there's been a day that he's rested since coming over here to the point that I'm almost concerned about his health.

As far as proof to support my claim, I can give none. I believe myself to be right because Bruno's gotten better every single game in Summer League so far. Maybe not in the case of statistical nor eye test output, but he's gotten smarter. He does at least a couple of things incrementally better than the last. It's like Casey said, he rarely makes a mistake twice. It's led me to think that after every match he does nothing but hammer out his game in the gym. His progression is pretty remarkable, and it's only been 2 weeks.

Now whether or not that's a result of him possessing an ability to apply and process data at such a phenomenal rate or if it's because of his work ethic, that's difficult to differentiate. It's of course a mixture of both, but to what degree of each is hard to say.

[MEDIC]

It took DeMar till year 5 to really take off.

It's gonna take Bruno awhile to crack our rotation, especially with how deep Masai likes to build his teams

Ross cracked the rotation pretty quickly. So did JV. Both were not NBA ready in year 1.

If Bruno was stronger & understood English I think he would be getting 10-15 mpg this season. Casey basically suggested as much in his last interview.

I think Masai is smart enough to realize these guys need playing time if we want to eventually build a winner.

[RaptorReloaded]

It took DeMar till year 5 to really take off.

It's gonna take Bruno awhile to crack our rotation, especially with how deep Masai likes to build his teams

Despite his rawness I think Bruno will develop faster than DeRozan did. One because Bruno has a much better jumpshot going into their rookie years than DeRozan. I think people here underrate just how much not having a jumpshot can hold players back. Two, while DeRozan is a hard worker, I think Bruno has him beat there. And three, Bruno is more physically gifted than DeRozan.

Bruno is going to have a lot of growing pains, but not as much as DeRozan did imo.

I agree. The only thing an 18 year old Cabolco has on a 19 year old Demar is 2 inches in height, 7'7 wingspan, a legit three point shot and the ability to make a cross over or pivot drive from beyond the arc to attack the basket. Pretty impressive if you ask me. He also looks more natural dribbling despite the turnovers. DeRozan was much stronger and could read the offense of a NBA game better. His summer league was under-rated and what's funny is if you take his highlights from his first one and compare them to highlights this year you see that his game hasn't changed in regards to where he feels comfortable getting shots off. He's refined the moves but they are coming from the same places. He improved on his strengths.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwSVTctxwMk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_P18S2fBh0[/youtube]

[Garbo's Hair]

Was Bruno's standing reach ever disclosed? Check out 0:42 in this video, with his feet on the ground he can push the the ball up against the the rim with his hand almost halfway up the ball. Given that a basketball is 9.5" in diameter, he must be pushing 9'6" standing reach. Dude is looooong.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH8wNoL6nyQ&t=0m41s

According to DraftExpress, average standing reach for 6'9" players is only 9'0.5". Also, the only players even close to 7'6" wingspan are well over 7' tall. It really shows what a physical freak Bruno is.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=averages

[Major Giz]

You know what would be really cool in the NBA? If they could draft a kid like Bruno and let him play NCAA for a year.

[mrsocko]

Knicks board is makin fun of him for cryin like a baby on the bench during the last game.

Kid thought he got ejected and couldn't control his emotions. Was this already posted?

[RaptorJ]

Knicks board is makin fun of him for cryin like a baby on the bench during the last game.

Kid thought he got ejected and couldn't control his emotions. Was this already posted?

Oh yah well how did the Knicks draft pick do?

[RaptorReloaded]

It took DeMar till year 5 to really take off.

It's gonna take Bruno awhile to crack our rotation, especially with how deep Masai likes to build his teams

Ross cracked the rotation pretty quickly. So did JV. Both were not NBA ready in year 1.

If Bruno was stronger & understood English I think he would be getting 10-15 mpg this season. Casey basically suggested as much in his last interview.

I think Masai is smart enough to realize these guys need playing time if we want to eventually build a winner.

I can see Caboclo getting minutes at the 4 if Casey is trying to stretch the floor or we have injuries at the position. I'd like to see it actually.

Lowry
DeRozan
Ross
Caboclo
Valanciunas

[m83588333]

If he plays the 4 he'll be crushed. End of quarter for floor spacing is most likely. Either Daniels or Bruno can do most of what Novak did with less than 1 minute left in the quarter

[chrisanna]

Didn't he grow like 7 inches while he was in college?

Not sure. I know did. Maybe you're thinking of The Worm?

They both had growth spurts at 19.

Bast**ds, I stopped growing at 13.

i know right? me f'ing too. maybe it was 15 but most of my other friends kept getting taller.