The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[NoKneeBledsoe]

You know Enes Kantar avg 12.5 and 7.5 last year


Also look at last two months with his momentum. Dude has a chance to be good

Has Markieff has 19 rebounds in a game?

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Kantar Per 36 is - 17 / 10


Sorry if I offended anyone with saying Morris for Kantar

[KaneSFFL]

Then I'll say u guys were right. If he goes and shoots 40% and gets 5 rebounds a game as a PF then I can say let's trade him!

Frye isn't here anymore...

So what are your expectations for Morris starting at 4?


Mpg, ppg, rpg, bpg

Shooting percentage (2pt / 3pt)

I think kieff could average 16/7.5/1.0 with 2 assists and a steal shooting high 40's low 50 from 2 and high 30's from 3

[KaneSFFL]

I don't know what's going on exactly but it just sounds like Bledsoe doesn't really care about where he plays. Think about it from his perspective. Coming off a rookie contract, played well but already two knee surgeries. That's gotta be alarming mostly for him. We may sit here and talk about being cautious about his knees but they are his physical knees. He could be scared that this is his one chance at the big deal and once he gets it he will settle down and play ball but for now that financial security is more important.

I think he would sign anywhere for a max contract, even a **** squad and city like minny if they wanted him. His idiot of an agent, who has a 100 percent success rate at signing all of his clients to a max deal (get it, just lebron), has somehow gotten into bledsoes head that he will get him a max deal too. Of course Bledsoe is down. You would be too. It's a combination of getting what you think you deserve if you grow and progress like you expect you will which I like and forcing the organization to pay you despite you proving the unknown, which is his health, which as fans we don't like or want.

But let's be real. If it plays out that Bledsoe continues to improve his game, conditioning, both while staying healthy for the duration of his contract, it will end up being a steal of a contract the last few years when he's making 17 of 80 or so million of our cap. I'm just guessing it will be that much with the new tv deal.

As a guard who can rebound, push a one man fast break, get to the basket and finish through contact, find his big men down low, play very solid d, imagine what he could do if he improves his jumper, cuts down turnovers, gambles less on d, and improves his conditioning (he will once he gets used to starter minutes)

I'm just saying I understand where he's coming from but as a fan am still not sure if I want it because we as suns fans have a history of getting screwed when paying guys max contracts (amare, penny..)

[Frank Lee]

KeifMo will never be the next Rasheed. Never ... Stop it
Keif is a back up 2nd tier PF who likely will start due to lack of anyone else. Heck, he played second fiddle to Frye.

We are woefully weak at the PF/C spots and big teams will exploit and likely abuse us. A lot of this seasons success will ride on he shoulders of Len and Plum. Gulp

[bwgood77]

How am I against them?

I said Bledsoe is not worth a max contract due to injury past (true statement)

And

Said Morris Bros are not starting material


Prove me wrong

I agree about Bledsoe. The Morris Bros remains to be seen. How often do guys on rookie contracts start for good teams? Not often. You can name a handful, and most are stars or play with a bunch of stars. Kawhi Leonard, Harden, Westbrook, Beal (but that was an avg team in the east), Klay Thompson, Bledsoe, LeBron, Amare, Joe Johnson...really not many others outside of that. Kieff will get a chance in his 4th year and I think he's up to the task. They could both take another huge step forward next year.

Oh yeah, and Harden didn't even start, though he could have. Most of the guys who start right away are playing for bad teams and can't lead their teams to winning for a few years at the earliest. LeBron and Melo did.

And Kieff would be starting with Plumlee and Tucker as well, so it won't exactly be a team full of quality starting talent. I guess Plumlee started on a rookie contract too, but I don't know if you'd consider him starter material.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

I'll step back and hope Morris proves me wrong. I think he is good and a role player off bench.
Hope he does what you guys think he can do


Also I'm up for paying Bledsoe what he wants if........

He plays over 70 games a year during contract
Plays good defense (like he does)

But also

Score efficiently and make everyone better around him with his ball distribution

[bwgood77]

KeifMo will never be the next Rasheed. Never ... Stop it
Keif is a back up 2nd tier PF who likely will start due to lack of anyone else. Heck, he played second fiddle to Frye.

We are woefully weak at the PF/C spots and big teams will exploit and likely abuse us. A lot of this seasons success will ride on he shoulders of Len and Plum. Gulp

I don't think he will be the next Rasheed either, but he arguably was more important than Frye last season and as JTrain posted earlier was 2nd in win shares.

Ideally you would like to have an allstar PF in front of him but he is better than quite a few starters in the league if you really go through the teams, and played really well for a 3rd year guy. Lets see if he keeps improving. He needs to get back that range to allow Dragic and Bledsoe more room in the paint in time.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mook took the bigger step forward this year. He was the better college player but basically sat on the bench for two years while Kieff got playing time and developed more. Mook might have more improvement coming soon which would be great as well.

[Cutter]

Kantar Per 36 is - 17 / 10


Sorry if I offended anyone with saying Morris for Kantar

Markieff is better than P. Enes Kanter and fits the Suns style of play far better.

[thamadkant]

KeifMo will never be the next Rasheed. Never ... Stop it
Keif is a back up 2nd tier PF who likely will start due to lack of anyone else. Heck, he played second fiddle to Frye.

We are woefully weak at the PF/C spots and big teams will exploit and likely abuse us. A lot of this seasons success will ride on he shoulders of Len and Plum. Gulp

I agree 100%.

Len is 2 years away, would probably be handy when he is 24 years old and has grasped the NBA big man role.
Which is fine.. suns are young.


Plumlee is starting purely because Len is not ready and he is the only legit ready player over 6'11 on the Suns.
But his best role is to simply grab boards, finish dunks and contest shots near the ring.


Kieff Morris is being discussed as starter because quiet simply there is no one else.
He is a good bench player big man no doubt about that... But will most likely be overwhelmed by the starter big men of the west.

If Kieff Morris is the new Rasheed Wallace, Suns would be top 5 west team easily... As Rasheed was reliable to contain star big men and anchor the defense from the PF spot.. Also a reliable 3pt threath and back to the ring game... Suns would not have any issues at PF if Morris is even remotely close to Rasheed...

Kieff Morris is closer to Al Harrington and Drew Gooden.

[KaneSFFL]

KeifMo will never be the next Rasheed. Never ... Stop it
Keif is a back up 2nd tier PF who likely will start due to lack of anyone else. Heck, he played second fiddle to Frye.

We are woefully weak at the PF/C spots and big teams will exploit and likely abuse us. A lot of this seasons success will ride on he shoulders of Len and Plum. Gulp

You realize Rasheed was career 14.5 scorer and only averaged 8 rebounds twice in his career right? Rasheed was surrounded by great teams his whole career and it made him deadlier. Kieff is our best big man because miles plumlee and pj tucker is the starting front court. Kieff could be just as valuable once we pair him with a solid big man. Rasheed had arvydas and Ben Wallace as his centers. Rasheed wasn't ever a 10 rebound guy and even his best three point shooting year was never that high right around 35 percent.

Give kieff time!

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Kantar Per 36 is - 17 / 10


Sorry if I offended anyone with saying Morris for Kantar

Markieff is better than P. Enes Kanter and fits the Suns style of play far better.

Wait how doesn't Kantar fit?

He is a Center!!!!! We need a center who hustles an can run the court

[KaneSFFL]

KeifMo will never be the next Rasheed. Never ... Stop it
Keif is a back up 2nd tier PF who likely will start due to lack of anyone else. Heck, he played second fiddle to Frye.

We are woefully weak at the PF/C spots and big teams will exploit and likely abuse us. A lot of this seasons success will ride on he shoulders of Len and Plum. Gulp

I agree 100%.

Len is 2 years away, would probably be handy when he is 24 years old and has grasped the NBA big man role.
Which is fine.. suns are young.


Plumlee is starting purely because Len is not ready and he is the only legit ready player over 6'11 on the Suns.
But his best role is to simply grab boards, finish dunks and contest shots near the ring.


Kieff Morris is being discussed as starter because quiet simply there is no one else.
He is a good bench player big man no doubt about that... But will most likely be overwhelmed by the starter big men of the west.

If Kieff Morris is the new Rasheed Wallace, Suns would be top 5 west team easily... As Rasheed was reliable to contain star big men and anchor the defense from the PF spot.. Also a reliable 3pt threath and back to the ring game... Suns would not have any issues at PF if Morris is even remotely close to Rasheed...

Kieff Morris is closer to Al Harrington and Drew Gooden.

I don't agree with that, gooden sucks! And Harrington was a chucker on bad teams.

Rasheed developed his D over the years to become an anchor, early on he was on a stacked Portland team

Pippen, Steve smith, arvydas, Damon stoudamire, Derek Anderson, plus many more stud defenders

[AtheJ415]

Lol. How many PFs his age or younger are outplaying him? Markieff starting is not a bad thing. It was going to happen eventually whether you like it or not. I agree we have some weaknesses, but I don't think Kieff is anywhere close to the bottom of the pile in terms of starting PFs in the league next year. His advanced stats were better than a ton of the big name guys.

KeifMo will never be the next Rasheed. Never ... Stop it
Keif is a back up 2nd tier PF who likely will start due to lack of anyone else. Heck, he played second fiddle to Frye.

We are woefully weak at the PF/C spots and big teams will exploit and likely abuse us. A lot of this seasons success will ride on he shoulders of Len and Plum. Gulp

[RunDogGun]

You know Enes Kantar avg 12.5 and 7.5 last year


Also look at last two months with his momentum. Dude has a chance to be good

Has Markieff has 19 rebounds in a game?

You should really research better. If you want to celebrate Kantar, you should include MkMo's stats as well. 13.8/6, and MkMo is better at assists, steals, and oddly blocks, and he shot 31.5 % from three while Kantar shot a whopping 0%.

I'm not sure why I'm quoting you, because it appears you will be on my ignore list.

If you are going to troll, at least do your homework. And f*ck, that is just MkMo, we haven't even included the other twin.

MkMo has had a 17 rebound game in his NBA career, so what?

[AtheJ415]

We already have a center who hustles and can run the floor better than Kanter. Hell, we might have 2.

Kantar Per 36 is - 17 / 10


Sorry if I offended anyone with saying Morris for Kantar

Markieff is better than P. Enes Kanter and fits the Suns style of play far better.

Wait how doesn't Kantar fit?

He is a Center!!!!! We need a center who hustles an can run the court

[NoKneeBledsoe]

You know Enes Kantar avg 12.5 and 7.5 last year


Also look at last two months with his momentum. Dude has a chance to be good

Has Markieff has 19 rebounds in a game?

You should really research better. If you want to celebrate Kantar, you should include MkMo's stats as well. 13.8/6, and MkMo is better at assists, steals, and oddly blocks, and he shot 31.5 % from three while Kantar shot a whopping 0%.

I'm not sure why I'm quoting you, because it appears you will be on my ignore list.

If you are going to troll, at least do your homework. And f*ck, that is just MkMo, we haven't even included the other twin.

Ignore me hahahaha what is this kindergarten

I'm not trolling and I out Kantar stats cause y'all were talking like he is horrible and can't play

Do me a favor tough guy


Take the last two months of the season between Kieff and Kantar and compare stats

Also he is a Center not a stretch 4

[NoKneeBledsoe]

We already have a center who hustles and can run the floor better than Kanter. Hell, we might have 2.

Markieff is better than P. Enes Kanter and fits the Suns style of play far better.

Wait how doesn't Kantar fit?

He is a Center!!!!! We need a center who hustles an can run the court

I like plumlee for sure but as a back up. Love his hustle

Len needs to strengthen up and become that defensive big we need

[NoKneeBledsoe]

We already have a center who hustles and can run the floor better than Kanter. Hell, we might have 2.

Markieff is better than P. Enes Kanter and fits the Suns style of play far better.

Wait how doesn't Kantar fit?

He is a Center!!!!! We need a center who hustles an can run the court

I like plumlee for sure but as a back up. Love his hustle

Len needs to strengthen up and become that defensive big we need

[Sunsdeuce]

You know Enes Kantar avg 12.5 and 7.5 last year


Also look at last two months with his momentum. Dude has a chance to be good

Has Markieff has 19 rebounds in a game?

kanter? Really.?!?
You have got to have higher standards than kanter. I know you can come up with a better player than that.


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