What teams would take Steve Nash if Lakers included Randle?

[IGSaint]

Randle hasn't impressed me a whole lot. He looks to be a solid player, but he lacks the length you'd like to see in a big man (6'11" wingspan). He has legit size and can muscle shots up, but again we'll see. His 12 ppg 4 rpg on sub 45% FG in Summer League doesn't wow me. I watched the game against GS too, and he was making terrible decisions down the stretch that let GS climb back in the game. Jabari, McDermott, TJ Warren, and Wiggins has impressed me more out of the lottery guys.

Randle has the same arm length and size as Blake griffin and Kevin Love. And Griffin has done well bullying at the nba level so concerns for Randle's size are overblown. And it is summer league so being overly concerned with shooting percentage doesn't make sense. Until yesterday jabari parker had been shooting 37% and Wiggins is shooting under 40% for summer league. Exum had an awful shooting game the other day too going 1-8. So it's not like the summer league should be used as some sort of prognosticator of future success. Looking at the positives of Randle though and he has shown flashes of brilliance. He has shown he can take his man off the dribble to score or go into an effective postup. He has also shown that he can be a point forward by passing it to the open man should he get double teamed. How many big men in the league do you know that can do all that? Griffin, Love, Anthony Davis,? Those are some good people to be in company for Randle should he keep developing which I know he will.

Blake Griffin is more athletic than Randle. Kevin Love is obviously a far better shooter than Randle. Anthony Davis is a beast. and Randle doesn't possess the skill and length that he does.

It's as you say summer league when he's taking his man off the dribble. The low rpg is a concern for a guy who can't grab boards in the summer league. I think he'll develop to a solid starter in the league, fringe All-Star maybe, but not a franchise player. Third option seems more likely.

I think he'll be a perennial all-star but let's agree to disagree.

[HoopsterJones]

Randle has the same arm length and size as Blake griffin and Kevin Love. And Griffin has done well bullying at the nba level so concerns for Randle's size are overblown. And it is summer league so being overly concerned with shooting percentage doesn't make sense. Until yesterday jabari parker had been shooting 37% and Wiggins is shooting under 40% for summer league. Exum had an awful shooting game the other day too going 1-8. So it's not like the summer league should be used as some sort of prognosticator of future success. Looking at the positives of Randle though and he has shown flashes of brilliance. He has shown he can take his man off the dribble to score or go into an effective postup. He has also shown that he can be a point forward by passing it to the open man should he get double teamed. How many big men in the league do you know that can do all that? Griffin, Love, Anthony Davis,? Those are some good people to be in company for Randle should he keep developing which I know he will.

Blake Griffin is more athletic than Randle. Kevin Love is obviously a far better shooter than Randle. Anthony Davis is a beast. and Randle doesn't possess the skill and length that he does.

It's as you say summer league when he's taking his man off the dribble. The low rpg is a concern for a guy who can't grab boards in the summer league. I think he'll develop to a solid starter in the league, fringe All-Star maybe, but not a franchise player. Third option seems more likely.

I think he'll be a perennial all-star but let's agree to disagree.

To be a perennial all-star he would have to be counted among the top 6 in the frontcourt (F/C) in his conference.

So what you're saying is Randle will be better than most of the following contingent year after year:

1. Kevin Durant
2. Kevin Love (Could be in the East by the time Randle is approaching his prime)
3. Anthony Davis (Dude is going to be a beast)
4. LaMarcus Aldridge
5. Blake Griffin
6. Dwight Howard
7. Demarcus Cousins
8. Marc Gasol
9. Serge Ibaka

Dirk. Duncan, Zach Randolph may be way past All-Star level or retired by the time Randle approaches his peak, but right now they are all ahead of him.

So if you think Randle in the next 2-3 years will be among the top 5 or top 6 of that list? Sorry I don't see it. He may get on the all-star team, but not every year. That is of course the guys I've mentioned stay relatively healthy.

Randle's ceiling is Randolph with less rebounds. Solid player, may make 1-2 all-star teams. But that's about it.

[IGSaint]

Blake Griffin is more athletic than Randle. Kevin Love is obviously a far better shooter than Randle. Anthony Davis is a beast. and Randle doesn't possess the skill and length that he does.

It's as you say summer league when he's taking his man off the dribble. The low rpg is a concern for a guy who can't grab boards in the summer league. I think he'll develop to a solid starter in the league, fringe All-Star maybe, but not a franchise player. Third option seems more likely.

I think he'll be a perennial all-star but let's agree to disagree.

To be a perennial all-star he would have to be counted among the top 6 in the frontcourt (F/C) in his conference.

So what you're saying is Randle will be better than most of the following contingent year after year:

1. Kevin Durant
2. Kevin Love (Could be in the East by the time Randle is approaching his prime)
3. Anthony Davis (Dude is going to be a beast)
4. LaMarcus Aldridge
5. Blake Griffin
6. Dwight Howard
7. Demarcus Cousins
8. Marc Gasol
9. Serge Ibaka

Dirk. Duncan, Zach Randolph may be way past All-Star level or retired by the time Randle approaches his peak, but right now they are all ahead of him.

So if you think Randle in the next 2-3 years will be among the top 5 or top 6 of that list? Sorry I don't see it. He may get on the all-star team, but not every year. That is of course the guys I've mentioned stay relatively healthy.

Randle's ceiling is Randolph with less rebounds. Solid player, may make 1-2 all-star teams. But that's about it.

Randle's ceiling is Z-bo when he's already shown more athleticism and ball handling than z-bo ever has? I really think you are missing the mark on analyzing Randle.

[IGSaint]

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[Darren]

You can have Felton and Wright for Nash and a 2nd.

[JellosJigglin]

Blake Griffin is more athletic than Randle. Kevin Love is obviously a far better shooter than Randle. Anthony Davis is a beast. and Randle doesn't possess the skill and length that he does.

It's as you say summer league when he's taking his man off the dribble. The low rpg is a concern for a guy who can't grab boards in the summer league. I think he'll develop to a solid starter in the league, fringe All-Star maybe, but not a franchise player. Third option seems more likely.

I think he'll be a perennial all-star but let's agree to disagree.

To be a perennial all-star he would have to be counted among the top 6 in the frontcourt (F/C) in his conference.

He's in L.A. bro. Second largest market. It's inevitable he'll be voted an all-star, like it or not.

[HoopsterJones]

I think he'll be a perennial all-star but let's agree to disagree.

To be a perennial all-star he would have to be counted among the top 6 in the frontcourt (F/C) in his conference.

He's in L.A. bro. Second largest market. It's inevitable he'll be voted an all-star, like it or not.

So you're telling me he's going to get more votes than Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin (who is also in LA SECOND LARGEST MARKET), Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis?

If he's not voted in, coaches will pass him up. I highly doubt the first 2-3 years of his career he's getting voted in as a STARTER in the WCF All-Star. If you absolutely believe he will, then there's no point in continuing any sort of sane conversation.

[HoopsterJones]

I think he'll be a perennial all-star but let's agree to disagree.

To be a perennial all-star he would have to be counted among the top 6 in the frontcourt (F/C) in his conference.

So what you're saying is Randle will be better than most of the following contingent year after year:

1. Kevin Durant
2. Kevin Love (Could be in the East by the time Randle is approaching his prime)
3. Anthony Davis (Dude is going to be a beast)
4. LaMarcus Aldridge
5. Blake Griffin
6. Dwight Howard
7. Demarcus Cousins
8. Marc Gasol
9. Serge Ibaka

Dirk. Duncan, Zach Randolph may be way past All-Star level or retired by the time Randle approaches his peak, but right now they are all ahead of him.

So if you think Randle in the next 2-3 years will be among the top 5 or top 6 of that list? Sorry I don't see it. He may get on the all-star team, but not every year. That is of course the guys I've mentioned stay relatively healthy.

Randle's ceiling is Randolph with less rebounds. Solid player, may make 1-2 all-star teams. But that's about it.

Randle's ceiling is Z-bo when he's already shown more athleticism and ball handling than z-bo ever has? I really think you are missing the mark on analyzing Randle.

Yeah I guess I'm just being more in line with what other paid NBA analyst have projected him to be since Draft day. There's this too.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2036 ... h-randolph

Do you get paid for your analysis on projecting players? Personally I don't think he'll be as good as Zach Randolph. He won't be that good of a rebounder in the NBA and it shows.

[Gus McCrae]

Only way we trade randle/nash back to phenox is for goron dragic. Dragic is the only guy I see worth trading Randle for....that or Kevin Love as long as both give verbal commitmentd to resign as well...

Dragic / Lin
Kobe / Young
Davis / Hill / Sacre
Boozer / Kelly
Xavier / ?

Minnesota wouldn't even take Randle for Love. They want more than just Wiggins (#1) and Bennett (Throw in #1). They want Waiters, possibly another player, AND a draft pick. Lakers have nothing in terms of assets to match that or what GS is offering. Case in point, the Lakers waived Marshall because he is not a valuable trade asset.

Bennet is a bust. He will be a decent 3rd string player. Wiggins looks to be a bust as well. Cavs are trading 2 lottery busts for a superstar? Its no wonder the wolves are not biting. Wiggins looked horrid in the summer games. He's not a game changer. He will be a decent defender and 10-12 ppg guy off the bench. Sorry.

Damnit I hate disagreeing with lakerfans on realgm but I think Bennett is going to surprise a lot of people, he is not going to be a bust

[IGSaint]

To be a perennial all-star he would have to be counted among the top 6 in the frontcourt (F/C) in his conference.

So what you're saying is Randle will be better than most of the following contingent year after year:

1. Kevin Durant
2. Kevin Love (Could be in the East by the time Randle is approaching his prime)
3. Anthony Davis (Dude is going to be a beast)
4. LaMarcus Aldridge
5. Blake Griffin
6. Dwight Howard
7. Demarcus Cousins
8. Marc Gasol
9. Serge Ibaka

Dirk. Duncan, Zach Randolph may be way past All-Star level or retired by the time Randle approaches his peak, but right now they are all ahead of him.

So if you think Randle in the next 2-3 years will be among the top 5 or top 6 of that list? Sorry I don't see it. He may get on the all-star team, but not every year. That is of course the guys I've mentioned stay relatively healthy.

Randle's ceiling is Randolph with less rebounds. Solid player, may make 1-2 all-star teams. But that's about it.

Randle's ceiling is Z-bo when he's already shown more athleticism and ball handling than z-bo ever has? I really think you are missing the mark on analyzing Randle.

Yeah I guess I'm just being more in line with what other paid NBA analyst have projected him to be since Draft day. There's this too.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2036 ... h-randolph

Do you get paid for your analysis on projecting players? Personally I don't think he'll be as good as Zach Randolph. He won't be that good of a rebounder in the NBA and it shows.

You mean it shows in the summer league? Please...

And lol about paid analysis as if they are never wrong. Guys like stephen curry. lillard, marc gasol, kobe etc would not have gotten picked where they were picked if analysis actually knew what they were talking about half the time.

[KobeKenobi]

I'm optimistic about Randle. His speed is going to give a lot of people problems...and I'm not talking about just PFs and Cs, he could beat a lot of guards off the dribble with his quickness.

I agree with that bleacher article however...his jumpshot isn't as smooth as Randolph's from what I've seen. His ceiling is going to be directly in line to whether he can develop a decent mid range game. Easier said than done, but from his interviews I get the sense he has the work ethic and the desire to get better. He can make a decent living on his speed and ability to get in the paint. If he develops a mid-range shot...with his quickness...he is going to be very hard to guard.

[JellosJigglin]

To be a perennial all-star he would have to be counted among the top 6 in the frontcourt (F/C) in his conference.

So what you're saying is Randle will be better than most of the following contingent year after year:

1. Kevin Durant
2. Kevin Love (Could be in the East by the time Randle is approaching his prime)
3. Anthony Davis (Dude is going to be a beast)
4. LaMarcus Aldridge
5. Blake Griffin
6. Dwight Howard
7. Demarcus Cousins
8. Marc Gasol
9. Serge Ibaka

Dirk. Duncan, Zach Randolph may be way past All-Star level or retired by the time Randle approaches his peak, but right now they are all ahead of him.

So if you think Randle in the next 2-3 years will be among the top 5 or top 6 of that list? Sorry I don't see it. He may get on the all-star team, but not every year. That is of course the guys I've mentioned stay relatively healthy.

Randle's ceiling is Randolph with less rebounds. Solid player, may make 1-2 all-star teams. But that's about it.

Randle's ceiling is Z-bo when he's already shown more athleticism and ball handling than z-bo ever has? I really think you are missing the mark on analyzing Randle.

Yeah I guess I'm just being more in line with what other paid NBA analyst have projected him to be since Draft day. There's this too.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2036 ... h-randolph

Do you get paid for your analysis on projecting players? Personally I don't think he'll be as good as Zach Randolph. He won't be that good of a rebounder in the NBA and it shows.

It shows? Based on 4 games in Summer League?

He had the most double-doubles for a UK freshman in their history with 24, topping out Damarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis with 20 each.

He averaged 10.5 rebounds in 40 collegiate games in 31 minutes.

4 games in summer league where he's playing point-forward and it shows he's not a good rebounder

[JellosJigglin]

To be a perennial all-star he would have to be counted among the top 6 in the frontcourt (F/C) in his conference.

He's in L.A. bro. Second largest market. It's inevitable he'll be voted an all-star, like it or not.

So you're telling me he's going to get more votes than Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin (who is also in LA SECOND LARGEST MARKET), Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis?

If he's not voted in, coaches will pass him up. I highly doubt the first 2-3 years of his career he's getting voted in as a STARTER in the WCF All-Star. If you absolutely believe he will, then there's no point in continuing any sort of sane conversation.

The Lakers and Clippers are in the same market the same way the Yankees and Mets are. Even the Mets have a stronger following than the Clippers.

And I said "inevitable", I didn't say he'll be an all-star immediately. I think you're underestimating the pull of the Laker fan base.

LINK

[HoopsterJones]

Randle's ceiling is Z-bo when he's already shown more athleticism and ball handling than z-bo ever has? I really think you are missing the mark on analyzing Randle.

Yeah I guess I'm just being more in line with what other paid NBA analyst have projected him to be since Draft day. There's this too.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2036 ... h-randolph

Do you get paid for your analysis on projecting players? Personally I don't think he'll be as good as Zach Randolph. He won't be that good of a rebounder in the NBA and it shows.

You mean it shows in the summer league? Please...

And lol about paid analysis as if they are never wrong. Guys like stephen curry. lillard, marc gasol, kobe etc would not have gotten picked where they were picked if analysis actually knew what they were talking about half the time.

Analysts can be wrong, but they are more subject matter experts than you or I. You're also contradicting yourself. He's shown speed to take his man off his dribble, handle the ball, and passing to teammates.....in summer league.

Curry was a #7 pick, Lillard #6 which is still pretty high in the lottery. They went to Davidson and Weber State respectively which are both mid major schools. Not power house NCAA teams like Duke, Kansas, UNC, UK, etc. Doesn't support your argument here.

You're acting like I'm saying Randle is going to be a bust. I'm saying he's going to be a solid starter, 1 or 2 time all-star and that is not an insult. Those are more realistic expectations than perennial All-Star.

[KobeKenobi]

I think he'll be a perennial all-star but let's agree to disagree.

To be a perennial all-star he would have to be counted among the top 6 in the frontcourt (F/C) in his conference.

He's in L.A. bro. Second largest market. It's inevitable he'll be voted an all-star, like it or not.

We already have two locked All-Stars....Kobe Bryant and Jeremy Lin

[HoopsterJones]

Randle's ceiling is Z-bo when he's already shown more athleticism and ball handling than z-bo ever has? I really think you are missing the mark on analyzing Randle.

Yeah I guess I'm just being more in line with what other paid NBA analyst have projected him to be since Draft day. There's this too.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2036 ... h-randolph

Do you get paid for your analysis on projecting players? Personally I don't think he'll be as good as Zach Randolph. He won't be that good of a rebounder in the NBA and it shows.

It shows? Based on 4 games in Summer League?

He had the most double-doubles for a UK freshman in their history with 24, topping out Damarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis with 20 each.

He averaged 10.5 rebounds in 40 collegiate games in 31 minutes.

4 games in summer league where he's playing point-forward and it shows he's not a good rebounder

Yeah it certainly does show that he's not going to be a good rebounder (double digit average). 8-9 rpg might be more realistic, career wise. Guys in the NBA are bigger, stronger, faster, longer, and more experienced. 24 double doubles in NCAA doesn't preclude he's going to yield the same results at the next level.

Damarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis are not only taller than Randle, they both have 7'5" wingspans. You're also acting like I'm saying he's a bust. Could he get to 10 rpg in a single season, yeah sure. I don't see it every year. 8-9 is more realistic. He's not going to be in the top fifteen every year in that category.

[HoopsterJones]

He's in L.A. bro. Second largest market. It's inevitable he'll be voted an all-star, like it or not.

So you're telling me he's going to get more votes than Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin (who is also in LA SECOND LARGEST MARKET), Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis?

If he's not voted in, coaches will pass him up. I highly doubt the first 2-3 years of his career he's getting voted in as a STARTER in the WCF All-Star. If you absolutely believe he will, then there's no point in continuing any sort of sane conversation.

The Lakers and Clippers are in the same market the same way the Yankees and Mets are. Even the Mets have a stronger following than the Clippers.

And I said "inevitable", I didn't say he'll be an all-star immediately. I think you're underestimating the pull of the Laker fan base.

LINK

Oh I'm not underestimating the pull of Lakers fan base. To be voted in as an all-star, however, that frontcourt player must be in the top three in votes. So is the pull of Lakers fan base enough for him to garner more votes than Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, LaMarcus Aldridge, Dwight Howard?

I don't see him getting more votes than 3 of those guys in the next 4 years (assuming nobody suffers a catastrophic injury).

You are acting like what I'm saying is crazy, but I'm telling you what needs to happen for him to get voted in. If you think he will get voted in the top three among those guys in the next 4 years, well then good on you.

[JellosJigglin]

So you're telling me he's going to get more votes than Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin (who is also in LA SECOND LARGEST MARKET), Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis?

If he's not voted in, coaches will pass him up. I highly doubt the first 2-3 years of his career he's getting voted in as a STARTER in the WCF All-Star. If you absolutely believe he will, then there's no point in continuing any sort of sane conversation.

The Lakers and Clippers are in the same market the same way the Yankees and Mets are. Even the Mets have a stronger following than the Clippers.

And I said "inevitable", I didn't say he'll be an all-star immediately. I think you're underestimating the pull of the Laker fan base.

LINK

Oh I'm not underestimating the pull of Lakers fan base. To be voted in as an all-star, however, that frontcourt player must be in the top three in votes. So is the pull of Lakers fan base enough for him to garner more votes than Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, LaMarcus Aldridge, Dwight Howard?

I don't see him getting more votes than 3 of those guys in the next 4 years (assuming nobody suffers a catastrophic injury).

You are acting like what I'm saying is crazy, but I'm telling you what needs to happen for him to get voted in. If you think he will get voted in the top three among those guys in the next 4 years, well then good on you.

[hands11]

I lost track about what this thread is about.

Randle isn't getting traded with Nash

Nash will come back. Play as many games as his body allows. Then go cash another check.

Randle is a solid piece and LAL need that. They also got Clarkson. And Ryan Kelly and Ed Davis.

Jeremy Lin is a 2nd teir star.

They need to accumulate assets while Kobe is there to pass on some knowledge.

LA will have the cache to land a big fish when they get their house in order. Right now, they need to get their house in order.

Its going to get worse before it gets better. But given the right market .. see 2016, they can start to turn it around. But to be ready, they have to keep making the right moves.

For now, its not looking good. Just enjoy watching Kobe on the court while you can.

For all things there is a season. This is not Spring or Summer for the Lakers. This is Fall leading to Winter.

This is the age of Timmy D, Dirk, Kobe, Wade, Nash and PP winding down. TD and Dirk are in better positions then Wade and Kobe. Actually, PP is in a better position then Wade and Kobe.

Great players leave the game. Well those were some great players.

Right now its about Timmy D and Dirk in the West the way I read it. Kobe doesn't have enough horses.

In the East, PP has a cleaning line. Its really just him and LeBron that have to get past CHI is healthy.

[timdunkit]

One thing summer league doesn't show is the open looks Kobe and Lin will create for Randle in the season.

I'm not worried about his length as much. He isn't afraid of contact and uses it to create space like Zbo. Aslong as he keeps that mentality, he'll do just fine.

A bigger concern is his lack of right hand. He always looks to finish with his left. Once he can finish with both hands, he'll be a handful to guard (along with a decent mid-range jumper).