The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[bwgood77]

lol, Huffington Post.

What's weird is he seems to be all over the Suns for whatever reason. Look at all his posts concerning them. https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report?orig ... tweetembed

[AtheJ415]

This. People underrate Markieff on here. It's not the traditional post up game, but he scores more efficiently than many of the big name NBA bigs. Not to mention Markieff has the potential to develop the 3 ball and be the stretch 4 our system needs.

That doesn't mean you say no to Monroe. The question is would you rather start Markieff and Monroe or Monroe and Plumlee? It's not necessarily an either/or question with Markieff and Monroe.

I'm all for offering Monroe a big deal and daring Detroit to match it (it's not like our cap space is being used for anything else for the next 3 days), but I'm not certain trading Bledsoe for him makes us better. Monroe can play the 4 and 5 though, which can balance out the rotation, allowing Markieff, Plumlee, him, and Len to see minutes between the 4 and 5 spots, which is a similar advantage to our guard rotation having combo guards. At the end of the day I believe Bledsoe is the better player, so I say just sign him. If Detroit matches so be it.

You're nuts. Markieff is equal or better than Monroe at everything but rebounding.

Are you serious? He is a FAR superior inside scorer, passer and as you mentioned, rebounder. Jesus. I like Kieff as a player a lot. Would love to see stay a Sun, but come on. Its like saying you wouldn't trade Kieff for Al Jefferson. Kieff is better at everything other than inside scoringpassing, and rebounding too. As if those things are not valuable to a team at all. "Oh, its just what every team needs! Not important at all!"

Points per 36:
Markieff 18.6
Monroe 16.7

Assists per 36:
Markieff 2.4
Monroe 2.3

PPP on post-ups:
Markieff 0.94 (360 plays)
Monroe 0.80 (442 plays)

PPP on pick-and-roll:
Markieff 1.19 (119 plays)
Monroe 0.91 (165 plays)

TS%:
Markieff .564
Monroe .531

FG% from 10-19 ft:
Markieff .463 (150/324)
Monroe .329 (47/143)

Are Monroe's hook-shots more valuable than Markieff's mid-range jumpers? I don't thinks so.

[BobbieL]

You're nuts. Markieff is equal or better than Monroe at everything but rebounding.

Are you serious? He is a FAR superior inside scorer, passer and as you mentioned, rebounder. Jesus. I like Kieff as a player a lot. Would love to see stay a Sun, but come on. Its like saying you wouldn't trade Kieff for Al Jefferson. Kieff is better at everything other than inside scoringpassing, and rebounding too. As if those things are not valuable to a team at all. "Oh, its just what every team needs! Not important at all!"

Points per 36:
Markieff 18.6
Monroe 16.7

Assists per 36:
Markieff 2.4
Monroe 2.3

PPP on post-ups:
Markieff 0.94 (360 plays)
Monroe 0.80 (442 plays)

PPP on pick-and-roll:
Markieff 1.19 (119 plays)
Monroe 0.91 (165 plays)

TS%:
Markieff .564
Monroe .531

FG% from 10-19 ft:
Markieff .463 (150/324)
Monroe .329 (47/143)

Are Monroe's hook-shots more valuable than Markieff's mid-range jumpers? I don't thinks so.

Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. Kieff did improve a lot this past season. He is just about to enter year 4.

I think for the price of one Monroe - the Suns will be able to have both Marcus and Markieff - and it probably makes sense. They are only going to get better

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I like Monroe and would be very excited if we signed him. He may not fit the "run, run, run" system but he's a baller and with guys like him, you sign him and then alter your system to fit him and everyone else.

He gives us the best low post scorer we have had in forever.

THIS is a good low post scorer?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/1010/gr ... e_1152.jpg

I'm not aboard the Greg Monroe hype train or anything, but I tend to believe he'd do better in the Suns offense than he does currently in the Pistons offense. Is the chance of his improvement worth it? I tend to think not, but I would trust our FO if they decided otherwise.

[Sunsdeuce]

I like Monroe and would be very excited if we signed him. He may not fit the "run, run, run" system but he's a baller and with guys like him, you sign him and then alter your system to fit him and everyone else.

He gives us the best low post scorer we have had in forever.

THIS is a good low post scorer?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/1010/gr ... e_1152.jpg

I'm sooooo soooo tired of these analytic stats people put on here.


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[JDLAW]

A thing to remember with Monroe too, is that he shared the court with Drummond. Monroe's numbers would jump up significantly without sharing duties. Goran's numbers went up when Bledsoe went down because he didn't have to share duties.


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Nonsense. His numbers have been refractory for the past 3 years at 15.5 and 9.5. The first year Drummond was on the UConn Huskies and the 2nd year was Drummond's rookie year. He is remarkably consistent and appears to have plateaued in his development. He is not a max player and no one was willing to pay him a max.

Bledsoe isn't a max player either and no one is willing to pay him a max. Difference is bigs are harder to find than PGs. In fact the PG market is bloated.


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To me this is not an either Bledsoe or Monroe question. I just do not like Monroe's game especially at s high salary. If you force me to make a choice, I'll take Bledsoe as I see far more upside than Monroe who seems to be on a development plateau.

[JTrain]

Does he play good D? I'm all for learning.

Judging by your flair I assumed you watched the games. He blocks shots, rebounds, stays in front of his man, is strong down low, has good lateral quickness and can defend out to the perimeter. Not ideal for every match-up, but no one is. But I don't think there's really a question as to whether he plays good defense.

Ooo, flair. I like it. The after the statement was meant to show exaggeration/facetiousness. I did watch all the games but I'm not much good at evaluating individuals on defense. It seemed like he was basically average after the first 30-40 games. Anyway, if he's good then we can keep him and add Monroe for the offense.

[Saberestar]

I like Monroe and would be very excited if we signed him. He may not fit the "run, run, run" system but he's a baller and with guys like him, you sign him and then alter your system to fit him and everyone else.

He gives us the best low post scorer we have had in forever.

THIS is a good low post scorer?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/1010/gr ... e_1152.jpg

I'm not aboard the Greg Monroe hype train or anything, but I tend to believe he'd do better in the Suns offense than he does currently in the Pistons offense. Is the chance of his improvement worth it? I tend to think not, but I would trust our FO if they decided otherwise.

I think Monroe will be a big upgrade over Plumlee and, obviously, Len or Shavlik.
We are very thin upfront, Markieff is our best player and I do not trust Plumlee playing more than 20-24 minutes per game because his offense is not there.
Signing Monroe AND Bledsoe is our best oportunity to use our cap space and have an strong team for the next few years for sure.

[bwgood77]

I like Monroe and would be very excited if we signed him. He may not fit the "run, run, run" system but he's a baller and with guys like him, you sign him and then alter your system to fit him and everyone else.

He gives us the best low post scorer we have had in forever.

THIS is a good low post scorer?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/1010/gr ... e_1152.jpg

I'm not aboard the Greg Monroe hype train or anything, but I tend to believe he'd do better in the Suns offense than he does currently in the Pistons offense. Is the chance of his improvement worth it? I tend to think not, but I would trust our FO if they decided otherwise.

This is exactly what I was about to say. The ONLY reason Monroe might end up ok on the Suns is that Hornacek truly does seem to work magic with players, and I'm guessing Dragic and Bledsoe (if he were here) would help get him MUCH better looks.

But I still can't for the life of me, understand how a guy who is 6'11 shoots 48% when he takes 99% of his shots from close range. I guess one thing going against him is that with Drummond there too, he probably usually has two defending bigs inside, which might not be the case with us.

The only thing that looks good coming from Monroe is rebounding. He doesn't seem to be a good defender and cannot block shots.

As for the Lakers, I do kind of like Jordan Hill as an instant energy rebounding guy. I think he's been underrated, but he'd just be an energy guy off the bench.

Not a Randle fan...much rather have Kieff, but do think Randle could have some big time trade value and be a nice trade chip to have next year. And the pick would be nice.

MUCH rather have Bledsoe than either speculated deal though.

[BurningHeart]

Markieff Morris is so underappreciated. It's sickening. The guy is making major, major strides.

Little Rasheed.

Also: Never **** deal with the Lakers. Ever. Never trade with Basketball-Qaeda.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Markieff Morris is so underappreciated. It's sickening. The guy is making major, major strides.

Little Rasheed.

Also: Never **** deal with the Lakers. Ever. Never trade with Basketball-Qaeda.

The use of principles lead to bad decisions. Evaluate everything on the merits with an open mind.

You wouldn't take back the Nash trade, would you?

[jredsaz]

Maybe they are trying to keep Bledsoe and sign Monroe... https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/stat ... 8994354176

Obviously he doesn't really fit with our style of play. But he does seem to fit with our tendency to pick up high character players. It might not be a bad idea for two reasons - first, because contrary to popular belief, we may not have a chance at a better big next year, and second, if the cap goes up considerably in two years, it might not be overpaying.

But his D. It really, really sucks. Really.

Is it fact that the cap goes up in two years or is that speculation?


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Short of a seismic shift in the value of sports related television properties the cap will increase significantly.

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[rsavaj]

I like Monroe and would be very excited if we signed him. He may not fit the "run, run, run" system but he's a baller and with guys like him, you sign him and then alter your system to fit him and everyone else.

He gives us the best low post scorer we have had in forever.

THIS is a good low post scorer?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/1010/gr ... e_1152.jpg

I'm sooooo soooo tired of these analytic stats people put on here.


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Me too. Reading all these facts exhausts me.

[SunsFanSSOL]

So what is the Suns plan? Trade Bledsoe for Randle so they can sign Monroe? Makes no sense.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

I'm pumped for Markieff now... He is a David West / Rasheed Wallace and Better than Monroe!


I think we underrate some players but overrate more.

I am hoping we have another good season and break that 50 game hump.

All that we need to do

-either sign Bledsoe under 48 mill and hope he is healthy

Or

-sign and trade Bledsoe

&

-hope lakers pick is #6 next year

That's it this year

[RunDogGun]

THIS is a good low post scorer?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/1010/gr ... e_1152.jpg

I'm sooooo soooo tired of these analytic stats people put on here.


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Me too. Reading all these facts exhausts me.

[Sunsdeuce]

THIS is a good low post scorer?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/1010/gr ... e_1152.jpg

I'm sooooo soooo tired of these analytic stats people put on here.


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Me too. Reading all these facts exhausts me.

You lose a lot of things basing everything off analytics. Mainly you lose the human factor (most important factor). Situations, coaching, players not put into situations that play to their strengths, team chemistry, etc, etc. Steve Nash is a perfect example. Once he was put into the right situation he became an MVP. Analytics should only be used for about 5% of evaluation.


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[Sunsdeuce]

I'm sooooo soooo tired of these analytic stats people put on here.


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Me too. Reading all these facts exhausts me.

Typical dumbass response. You have the brain power of a rat.


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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Analytics should only be used for about 5% of evaluation.

[Sunsdeuce]

Analytics should only be used for about 5% of evaluation.

Yeah Phil Jackson used analytics to win championships.