Every year there's a PG whose the next best thing, so....

magic22s · Post #61 » by **magic22s** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:32 am

Elfrid Payton averaged 9.2 points, 7.0 assists and 5.2 rebounds in five games.

He impacts the game in a lot of ways and is the next best thing I think. :lol:

Prokorov · Post #62 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:45 am

star = exsum

bust = payton

deneem4 · Post #63 » by **deneem4** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:45 am

Every guard u listed in the op was scorers except wall and mcw...athletic and should be 2 guards if tht is the mold primarily than zach Levine is that guy

tiderulz · Post #64 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:58 am

Saints14 wrote:You should add Payton to this poll, but I'd go with Exum regardless. Dude looks legit this summer.

well, as long as he doesnt have to play more than 5 mins. his playing shape will get better, but he got winded quick, would have expected him to be in a little bit better shape

J-Ville Smoke · Post #65 » by **J-Ville Smoke** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:00 am

deneem4 wrote:Every guard u listed in the op was scorers except wall and mcw...athletic and should be 2 guards if tht is the mold primarily than zach Levine is that guy

Payton is about as pass-first as a PG can get in this NBA.

He looked like a poor-man's Rondo in SL and while the other rookie PGs may have him beat in offensive categories, Payton's vision and athleticism is undeniable.

deneem4 · Post #66 » by **deneem4** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:13 am

J-Ville Smoke wrote:
deneem4 wrote:Every guard u listed in the op was scorers except wall and mcw...athletic and should be 2 guards if tht is the mold primarily than zach Levine is that guy

Payton is about as pass-first as a PG can get in this NBA.

He looked like a poor-man's Rondo in SL and while the other rookie PGs may have him beat in offensive categories, Payton's vision and athleticism is undeniable.

I meant the previously drafted guards...levine fits the mold more than any others

tiderulz · Post #67 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:19 am

Lattimer wrote:What kind of approach are the Magic expected to take with Payton. Are they going to have him play 20-25 mpg, or are they just going to throw him out there and have him start right away and play 30-35 a night?

He doesn't seem to have anyone in front of him and he had three years of college so maybe hes going to start right away. Just curious what people around the Magic think the plan is for him.

i envision Dipo starting at PG, but once the staff thinks he can handle it, then Payton getting the nod at PG and Dipo moving over to SG.

tiderulz · Post #68 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:21 am

Lattimer wrote:
T12 wrote:
Lattimer wrote:What kind of approach are the Magic expected to take with Payton. Are they going to have him play 20-25 mpg, or are they just going to throw him out there and have him start right away and play 30-35 a night?

He doesn't seem to have anyone in front of him and he had three years of college so maybe hes going to start right away. Just curious what people around the Magic think the plan is for him.

he is going to play.

The only guy in front of him is Oladipo, and the difference between the 2 in terms of court vision and passing ability is night and day. Just cant see them playing Luke R in front of him.

Okay thanks for the info. Hopefully Vaughn is smarter than Ty Corbin was and gives the young Magic players enough minutes. My POV there is if two guys are on a fairly similar level as players, you play the young guy.

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JV gave Dipo 31 MPG last year. which seemed strange and more than he got, but they did give him playing time.

tiderulz · Post #69 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:23 am

Prokorov wrote:star = exsum

bust = payton

ROFL

Kabookalu · Post #70 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:41 am

I'm not a big fan of Smart but I love his defense. He looks like he can be an absolute disruptor. Generally I think that point guards have the least impact on defense. Point guards are just too good skilled and crafty to be bothered by opposing point defense. And plus a good point guard can still initiate a team's offense even with another player draped all over him, which is the primary responsibility of points.

However Smart looks like he can supersede that convention. Not only does he project to be a smothering in your face defender, he's so big and strong that he can switch to guard 2's, and maybe 3's for some stretches. That's another thing most point guards lack, the ability to guard more than just their position.

Smart isn't going to be just a great defensive point guard, but he'll be a complete disruptor. And if Exum, who I'm high on, doesn't exactly deliver on his potential, it'll be Smart that takes the top nod as the best point guard in this class.

hyper316 · Post #71 » by **hyper316** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:56 am

Exum is an intriguing prospect, I can see him like a Anthony Parker type that can handle the ball and guard opposing wings with his size.

Payton could be the next Rondo, has excellent defense and court vision. His shot can be developed, good thing at this point is he is not trigger happy like Brandon Jennings.

I'd say Payton would have a bigger impact in rookie year being in the East, whereas Exum will likely surpass Payton in year 2-3 being able to do more than just a PG.

miltk · Post #72 » by **miltk** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:59 am

hyper316 wrote:Exum is an intriguing prospect, I can see him like a Anthony Parker type that can handle the ball and guard opposing wings with his size.

Payton could be the next Rondo, has excellent defense and court vision. His shot can be developed, good thing at this point is he is not trigger happy like Brandon Jennings.

I'd say Payton would have a bigger impact in rookie year being in the East, whereas Exum will likely surpass Payton in year 2-3 being able to do more than just a PG.

what is intriguing about exum that is not intriguing about lavine?

DoubleLintendre · Post #73 » by **DoubleLintendre** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:01 am

RUSS SMITH

Post #74 » by **Bensational** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:02 am

I'm seeing Smart as the next Kyle Lowry.

I think in 5 years Exum and Payton will both be elite, the way Rose and Westbrook are. They'll be totally different players, but both very good.

This year I think Exum will struggle a lot whilst he gets his conditioning and learns how to get shots off in the paint against NBA big men.

Payton will impact immediately with his passing and defense, but will also need to learn how to get his shot off against NBA bigs.

If Smart gets free reign of that team he'll have some big games, play some tremendous D, but overall he'll be highly inefficient as a high volume scorer.

I think we got 3 stud PGs in this Draft.

Post #75 » by **Bensational** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:03 am

Forgot Lavine. I'm seeing him as Monta with range. Make it 4 studs!

hyper316 · Post #76 » by **hyper316** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:05 am

miltk wrote:
hyper316 wrote:Exum is an intriguing prospect, I can see him like a Anthony Parker type that can handle the ball and guard opposing wings with his size.

Payton could be the next Rondo, has excellent defense and court vision. His shot can be developed, good thing at this point is he is not trigger happy like Brandon Jennings.

I'd say Payton would have a bigger impact in rookie year being in the East, whereas Exum will likely surpass Payton in year 2-3 being able to do more than just a PG.

what is intriguing about exum that is not intriguing about lavine?

way to hi-jack my post. i didn't even mention lavine, not because i don't think he is not intriguing, strictly because I don't see him as a PG having Rubio on the team. He is a scorer/shooter with some passing ability. He is an amazing athlete but he takes too many long2s for my liking. His fadeaway jumper is good, I just don't think he should shoot that shot with 1 foot on the line, use it more in a pick and roll situation if the defender goes under the pick for a mid-range shot.

miltk · Post #77 » by **miltk** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:21 am

hyper316 wrote:
miltk wrote:
hyper316 wrote:Exum is an intriguing prospect, I can see him like a Anthony Parker type that can handle the ball and guard opposing wings with his size.

Payton could be the next Rondo, has excellent defense and court vision. His shot can be developed, good thing at this point is he is not trigger happy like Brandon Jennings.

I'd say Payton would have a bigger impact in rookie year being in the East, whereas Exum will likely surpass Payton in year 2-3 being able to do more than just a PG.

what is intriguing about exum that is not intriguing about lavine?

way to hi-jack my post. i didn't even mention lavine, not because i don't think he is not intriguing, strictly because I don't see him as a PG having Rubio on the team. He is a scorer/shooter with some passing ability. He is an amazing athlete but he takes too many long2s for my liking. His fadeaway jumper is good, I just don't think he should shoot that shot with 1 foot on the line, use it more in a pick and roll situation if the defender goes under the pick for a mid-range shot.

did not mean to hijack your post. lavine and exum are similar in size and saunders said "if zach had more hype he'd be exum". regardless of that, i thought you explaining the difference might be interesting. that step-back, btw, is his shot of preference,,,,it is his rhythm shot.

hyper316 · Post #78 » by **hyper316** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:38 am

miltk wrote:
hyper316 wrote:
miltk wrote:
what is intriguing about exum that is not intriguing about lavine?

way to hi-jack my post. i didn't even mention lavine, not because i don't think he is not intriguing, strictly because I don't see him as a PG having Rubio on the team. He is a scorer/shooter with some passing ability. He is an amazing athlete but he takes too many long2s for my liking. His fadeaway jumper is good, I just don't think he should shoot that shot with 1 foot on the line, use it more in a pick and roll situation if the defender goes under the pick for a mid-range shot.

did not mean to hijack your post. lavine and exum are similar in size and saunders said "if zach had more hype he'd be exum". regardless of that, i thought you explaining the difference might be interesting. that step-back, btw, is his shot of preference,,,,it is his rhythm shot.

yea, from the SL highlights, I can tell Lavine's shot of preference is the counterclock-wise curl with the ball and fading shot to his right hand. he does have good rhythm on it and that shot is 99% available at the 19-21ft range with his jumping ability, but it is a difficult shot and likely a lower percentage shot. i think he can be very effective if he gets that shot 15 ft/free throw line distance, see following Anthony Parker video at 0:08-0:12:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtMdSHzGpx4

Post #79 » by **GameTime_3** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:41 am

Marcus Smart.....

He will play off of Rando and get plenty of easy looks. Has an NBA body and will draw contact on this level. I loved Smart coming out and with the hype of the Boston market and the mentoring of Rando, Smart will flourish.

miltk · Post #80 » by **miltk** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:43 am

hyper316 wrote:
miltk wrote:
hyper316 wrote:
way to hi-jack my post. i didn't even mention lavine, not because i don't think he is not intriguing, strictly because I don't see him as a PG having Rubio on the team. He is a scorer/shooter with some passing ability. He is an amazing athlete but he takes too many long2s for my liking. His fadeaway jumper is good, I just don't think he should shoot that shot with 1 foot on the line, use it more in a pick and roll situation if the defender goes under the pick for a mid-range shot.

did not mean to hijack your post. lavine and exum are similar in size and saunders said "if zach had more hype he'd be exum". regardless of that, i thought you explaining the difference might be interesting. that step-back, btw, is his shot of preference,,,,it is his rhythm shot.

yea, from the SL highlights, I can tell Lavine's shot of preference is the counterclock-wise curl with the ball and fading shot to his right hand. he does have good rhythm on it and that shot is 99% available at the 19-21ft range with his jumping ability, but it is a difficult shot and likely a lower percentage shot. i think he can be very effective if he gets that shot 15 ft/free throw line distance, see following Anthony Parker video at 0:08-0:12:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtMdSHzGpx4

early in ucla's cupcake games, zl made 3 elbow jumper that looked easier than a kaj hook. it looked very, what can i say, "professional" as in that's the way the pros nail that shot.....and for all practical purposes, he never shot a midrange for the rest of the season

Whose the next best PG?