The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[King4Day]

Ok, thats 3 suspensions. Im on a roll, anyone else want one? Everyone needs to calm the f**k down. Seriously. SERIOUSLY!

I was just reading through the last few pages and was going to ask if a mod can start handling all this.

Half of the posts were suns fans bashing other suns fans. Everyone has their opinion but when it gets to personal attacks it makes me (and I'm sure most other posters) not want to discuss @ real gm.

Regarding the Lakers fans...I have no problem with them coming in here to talk but as we all know, within our own forums, there are many homeristic ideas that are passed along. It's easy for opposing fans to troll those forums and just rip them a new one. That's why the trolling we saw earlier can't be tolerated.
A warning and then an infraction or ban. If it's in the NBA forum, that's a totally different story IMO. But not the local ones.

[bondom34]

It's a shame that the Hawks aren't interested in Bledsoe. They got some players who would fit very well here.

Yeah, I'd think about a Teague/Millsap deal, but you'd want to hold onto Millsap for longer, but if nothing else, he would be a little more of a bridge to let Kieff come off the bench one more year with his brother before starting. But Millsap is a much better version of Frye in every respect, and became a respectable 3 pt shooter last season. Even Teague and Korver would be a little intriguing...I suggested that in a GB thread (after a Hawks poster asked if we'd be interested in trading with them) and he said Teague/Korver would be too much.

Obviously I'd do it if Horford was included, but most of us know they won't trade him unless they have serious injury concerns.

Hey guys, have been keeping an eye on the Bledsoe situation (its the offseason, I got nothing else sports wise til football!). Was actually gonna post something similar to this on the trade board, would the Suns be up for something like this? Was either gonna try Sap/Teague or Horford/Teague for a sign and trade of Bledsoe. I kind of feel like you guys would be set with an upgraded big man and moving Bledsoe. IT/Dragic is still a great guard duo.

[bwgood77]

Ok, thats 3 suspensions. Im on a roll, anyone else want one? Everyone needs to calm the f**k down. Seriously. SERIOUSLY!

I was just reading through the last few pages and was going to ask if a mod can start handling all this.

Half of the posts were suns fans bashing other suns fans. Everyone has their opinion but when it gets to personal attacks it makes me (and I'm sure most other posters) not want to discuss @ real gm.

Regarding the Lakers fans...I have no problem with them coming in here to talk but as we all know, within our own forums, there are many homeristic ideas that are passed along. It's easy for opposing fans to troll those forums and just rip them a new one. That's why the trolling we saw earlier can't be tolerated.
A warning and then an infraction or ban. If it's in the NBA forum, that's a totally different story IMO. But not the local ones.

I think the General forum is far more strict than this one. I don't mind if people argue, it can be humorous. If people start to bother me I just put them on ignore.

[bwgood77]

It's a shame that the Hawks aren't interested in Bledsoe. They got some players who would fit very well here.

Yeah, I'd think about a Teague/Millsap deal, but you'd want to hold onto Millsap for longer, but if nothing else, he would be a little more of a bridge to let Kieff come off the bench one more year with his brother before starting. But Millsap is a much better version of Frye in every respect, and became a respectable 3 pt shooter last season. Even Teague and Korver would be a little intriguing...I suggested that in a GB thread (after a Hawks poster asked if we'd be interested in trading with them) and he said Teague/Korver would be too much.

Obviously I'd do it if Horford was included, but most of us know they won't trade him unless they have serious injury concerns.

Hey guys, have been keeping an eye on the Bledsoe situation (its the offseason, I got nothing else sports wise til football!). Was actually gonna post something similar to this on the trade board, would the Suns be up for something like this? Was either gonna try Sap/Teague or Horford/Teague for a sign and trade of Bledsoe. I kind of feel like you guys would be set with an upgraded big man and moving Bledsoe. IT/Dragic is still a great guard duo.

I think a vast majority would do a Horford/Teague trade, as long as Horford passed our physical. Personally I'd think hard about a Millsap/Teague trade too, because I think both of those guys are underrated, and Bledsoe's injury concerns bother me more than some here. If I knew Millsap would stay here and Kieff was ok being a great bench guy (he loves playing with his bro) than I'd pull the trigger, but him being an UFA is a little scary though I guess we'd have Bird rights? Millsap would fit like a glove here, but we would desperately need a rim protector in the middle.

[Kerrsed]

It's a shame that the Hawks aren't interested in Bledsoe. They got some players who would fit very well here.

Yeah, I'd think about a Teague/Millsap deal, but you'd want to hold onto Millsap for longer, but if nothing else, he would be a little more of a bridge to let Kieff come off the bench one more year with his brother before starting. But Millsap is a much better version of Frye in every respect, and became a respectable 3 pt shooter last season. Even Teague and Korver would be a little intriguing...I suggested that in a GB thread (after a Hawks poster asked if we'd be interested in trading with them) and he said Teague/Korver would be too much.

Obviously I'd do it if Horford was included, but most of us know they won't trade him unless they have serious injury concerns.

Hey guys, have been keeping an eye on the Bledsoe situation (its the offseason, I got nothing else sports wise til football!). Was actually gonna post something similar to this on the trade board, would the Suns be up for something like this? Was either gonna try Sap/Teague or Horford/Teague for a sign and trade of Bledsoe. I kind of feel like you guys would be set with an upgraded big man and moving Bledsoe. IT/Dragic is still a great guard duo.

Hell, we would do Bledsoe straight up for Horford if we could, but ATL isnt looking to trade him. They want to build around Milsap/Horford unfortunately. I know many of us would be ok receiving Teague back in return, but the Hawks really dont have any other assets besides their two "untouchables" that tickle our fancy, and Teague and a pick isnt enough for us to make the trade.

[bondom34]

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Hell, we would do Bledsoe straight up for Horford if we could, but ATL isnt looking to trade him. They want to build around Milsap/Horford unfortunately. I know many of us would be ok receiving Teague back in return, but the Hawks really dont have any other assets besides their two "untouchables" that tickle our fancy, and Teague and a pick isnt enough for us to make the trade.

I think a vast majority would do a Horford/Teague trade, as long as Horford passed our physical. Personally I'd think hard about a Millsap/Teague trade too, because I think both of those guys are underrated, and Bledsoe's injury concerns bother me more than some here. If I knew Millsap would stay here and Kieff was ok being a great bench guy (he loves playing with his bro) than I'd pull the trigger, but him being an UFA is a little scary though I guess we'd have Bird rights? Millsap would fit like a glove here, but we would desperately need a rim protector in the middle.

Thanks guys. Was wondering, as I don't think they move Horford, but Sap is a possibility...I may try it on the trade board at some point and see if it gets flamed by anyone there!

[Gorilla Warfare]

Ok, thats 3 suspensions. Im on a roll, anyone else want one? Everyone needs to calm the f**k down. Seriously. SERIOUSLY!

[JTrain]

[Kerrsed]

I think the General forum is far more strict than this one. I don't mind if people argue, it can be humorous. If people start to bother me I just put them on ignore.

The General Forum is much more strict, as they have to be. There is much more fighting and trolling going on when you have a place where 30 different teams fans converge.

Out of the team boards, we are very lenient. I give out multiple warnings (when i have to) instead of just making the outright suspension. Some people are getting too ok with that and are mistaking my kindness for weakness, and thats when i have to go around and clean shop. I havent had to do that for a while, as the board for the most part has been good, but as of late its starting to get out of hand and i will have to pull back on the reigns a bit. I am a fair guy. I let a lot of s**t slide, but when i put my foot down, i expect to be respected enough for people to listen to me and take what i say to heart.

Its not an easy job being a mod. Many people hate us (mostly other mod's, not me, lol), the hours suck and the pay isnt that good either, but we love these forums and the posters and the discussions and want to keep this as the best place to come and talk sports. We dont want this to turn into the ESPN forums.

[lilfishi22]

Mods get paid?

[Jdiddy701]

Question, if Bledsoe didn't have any history with injuries and was known for loving Phoenix, would you guys give him a max?

I think his talent on the court is worth the max. I seriously think he's the 2nd best GUARD defender in the league, and has potential to be a top 3 PG in 2-3 seasons. I was watching some games last season earlier today (Knicks at Suns & Suns at SAS) and he just filled the stat sheet. I think he can average 24 pts, 8 assts, 4 rebs. Bledsoe dominates the entire game. Yes, he needs to work on turnovers and his shot but he's only 24.

He needs to stay.

[lilfishi22]

Question, if Bledsoe didn't have any history with injuries and was known for loving Phoenix, would you guys give him a max?

I think his talent on the court is worth the max. I seriously think he's the 2nd best GUARD defender in the league, and has potential to be a top 3 PG in 2-3 seasons. I was watching some games last season earlier today (Knicks at Suns & Suns at SAS) and he just filled the stat sheet. I think he can average 24 pts, 8 assts, 4 rebs. Bledsoe dominates the entire game. Yes, he needs to work on turnovers and his shot but he's only 24.

He needs to stay.

Without a doubt. But all those factors are real and in play so he should be paid accordingly and not just on talent alone.

[Kerrsed]

Question, if Bledsoe didn't have any history with injuries and was known for loving Phoenix, would you guys give him a max?

I think his talent on the court is worth the max. I seriously think he's the 2nd best GUARD defender in the league, and has potential to be a top 3 PG in 2-3 seasons. I was watching some games last season earlier today (Knicks at Suns & Suns at SAS) and he just filled the stat sheet. I think he can average 24 pts, 8 assts, 4 rebs. Bledsoe dominates the entire game. Yes, he needs to work on turnovers and his shot but he's only 24.

He needs to stay.

Without a doubt. But all those factors are real and in play so he should be paid accordingly and not just on talent alone.

I agree 100% with this. If there were no injury issues and he spoke about enjoying the Valley, i would give it to him.

[Revived]

JHill has a TO next year...

I find it odd that the Lakers were trying to trade Jordan Hill at the deadline for a 2nd rd pick (and got no takers) and yet they gave him a $9M/yr contract right away in free agency.

[drewsprocket]

It's pretty ridiculous how long this is playing out. Can't be good right? Anyone who had the cap would have made their offers already and signed him to a sheet. What else can EB's camp be working on? Soliciting Sign and Trades? No one else is coming to the rescue with an offer bigger than 48. It's such a reasonable deal you could play for and earn a real max by winning and playing.

Is this normal? Am I just off base?
All this displaced frustration is resulting petty arguing.

[bwgood77]

Question, if Bledsoe didn't have any history with injuries and was known for loving Phoenix, would you guys give him a max?

I think his talent on the court is worth the max. I seriously think he's the 2nd best GUARD defender in the league, and has potential to be a top 3 PG in 2-3 seasons. I was watching some games last season earlier today (Knicks at Suns & Suns at SAS) and he just filled the stat sheet. I think he can average 24 pts, 8 assts, 4 rebs. Bledsoe dominates the entire game. Yes, he needs to work on turnovers and his shot but he's only 24.

He needs to stay.

If other teams were offering the max, yes, but other than that there is still no reason to. If he played the way he did the entire season, someone would have likely offered him the max and we would have matched.

[RaisingArizona]

Piss off before i throw you off.

If any suns fans go on their forum and post like he did then we would get either a suspension or a warning. I think it's only fair that he gets some sort of consequence for trolling us.

Not true. I was on their forum earlier and GinobiliFlops was doing the same thing over there and one of their mod's gave him the same post, "Piss Off". That is why i replied as so, to show fairness and instill a warning that further posts as such will not be tolerated.

All I said was I love trading with them. For some reason I do. I wanted Randle in the draft and our last trade with them worked out well. Then they said we drafted bad so I posted Archie's last game to show otherwise. I really wasn't trolling- too old for that now. If I were, it would have been better than that.

At any rate, I am moving on. Finally something interesting might be brewing here. Randle/Monroe/ some other big might be coming here for money bags McGee. That excites me. I kind of am having a hard time wanting Bledsoe to come back now. Seems a lot like JJ 8-9 years ago.

[bwgood77]

It's pretty ridiculous how long this is playing out. Can't be good right? Anyone who had the cap would have made their offers already and signed him to a sheet. What else can EB's camp be working on? Soliciting Sign and Trades? No one else is coming to the rescue with an offer bigger than 48. It's such a reasonable deal you could play for and earn a real max by winning and playing.

Is this normal? Am I just off base?
All this displaced frustration is resulting petty arguing.

Pekovic held out until mid August last year and I believe got an extra year because of it 5/60. For us, if he stays healthy, that is better than our current offer because he still makes 12 a year, and we get him at that price for another year. For him, insurance for an injury. Same with if we were going to go up to 4/52, 5/65 is pretty much the same scenario at 13 a year. But 4/64 is 16 a year and bit much.

Still, no real reason to budge. The extra year wouldn't be bad because we have him locked up at 12 for three years after the salary cap goes way up. That would be the one thing I'd concede if they were not concerned about injuries. I wouldn't be totally surprised if they ended up wanting 2/28, so they could get more in 2016, especially since his agent knows LeBron did it for that reason....14 a year, but limits our risk, but also may cost us big time later to keep him longer.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Question, if Bledsoe didn't have any history with injuries and was known for loving Phoenix, would you guys give him a max?

I think his talent on the court is worth the max. I seriously think he's the 2nd best GUARD defender in the league, and has potential to be a top 3 PG in 2-3 seasons. I was watching some games last season earlier today (Knicks at Suns & Suns at SAS) and he just filled the stat sheet. I think he can average 24 pts, 8 assts, 4 rebs. Bledsoe dominates the entire game. Yes, he needs to work on turnovers and his shot but he's only 24.

He needs to stay.

Yes I would! But I also think being 100% healthy he would of dominated and earned it

[JTrain]

Question, if Bledsoe didn't have any history with injuries and was known for loving Phoenix, would you guys give him a max?

It's hard to say because if there were no injury history, he would have played and started all 82 games last season and we'd have a much better sample size to judge his talents on. Would he have tapered off or been neutralized in some way like Plumlee and Frye were, or would he have kept his play at an amazing level throughout and gotten us to 55 wins? In the latter case, I think he gets max pretty easily.