The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[Saberestar]

Can someone tell me how can we spend exactly? How much cap space do we have?

With Tolliver, Thomas, Tucker, and Bledsoe as a cap hold. $14,419,176.

We can spend that $14+M prior to signing Bledsoe, right...and then go over to sign Bledsoe? Or no?

Exactly.

[ShawnBronald]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ValleyoftheSuns/status/491228880163065856[/tweet]

Press conference is for both Thomas -and- Tolliver.

[BobbieL]

With Tolliver, Thomas, Tucker, and Bledsoe as a cap hold. $14,419,176.

We can spend that $14+M prior to signing Bledsoe, right...and then go over to sign Bledsoe? Or no?

Exactly.

Doesn't mean the team shoud spend it - be fiscaly pragmatic. But its good to have the space if the right player comes along before Bledso. But at this point, probably not going to happen. Not Traxxed reported as much

[NTB]

Guys i don't understand cap hold things. Simply, we have 14 MD to spend? Then how can we keep both Monroe and Bledsoe theoretically ?

[ShawnBronald]

Guys i don't understand cap hold things. Simply, we have 14 MD to spend? Then how can we keep both Monroe and Bledsoe theoretically ?

I'm not cap savvy either, but as I understand it, if we could sign Monroe first (without Detroit matching) and then resign Bledsoe, we could go over the cap, but then Sarver would have to pay the luxury tax. I know he was willing to do it if we could sign LeBron and another superstar, I'm not sure Monroe fits into that category, though.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Guys i don't understand cap hold things. Simply, we have 14 MD to spend? Then how can we keep both Monroe and Bledsoe theoretically ?

Bird Rights. Theoretically, if we signed Monroe to $14 mil/yr, we would have $100k in salary cap space. Because of Bledsoe's Bird Rights, if we signed him for $13 million/yr, we'd be able to go over the cap limit, but be forced into paying a luxury tax. BUT, we could only do this situation if we signed Monroe first, and then Bledsoe. If we sign Bledsoe first, we're out of cap space.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

What does salary cap situation look like next year if we sign Bledsoe to 4/52? Goran will want that, probably more. If we trade him what does our salary cap situation look like for FA? If we re-sign him, do we have any salary cap space for a big signing or just minimal amount?

[NTB]

Oh yeah, Bird Rights. I love you Larry Bird Thanks for responses. But with our cap space, we can give Monroe max i guess. Wasn't Monroe's max worth 16 MD?

[Frank Lee]

Baseless speculation and jumping to conclusions based on no evidence whatsoever.

I think there's plenty of evidence. The fact that they shut down negotiations last year. The fact that they haven't been in Phoenix this entire off-season. There is the "favorite" of the tweet suggesting the Lakers sign him. The reports coming out from a "source" suggesting that he wants the full 5-year max when anyone with half a brain knows he doesn't deserve that off half a season of starting. You can ignore these signs if you like, but the rest of us can connect the dots fairly easily.

Yup Carey .... SunsFan's observation summarized the scenario quite well. I'd say we have 80% chance on 'Bleeding out' .... The only scenario I see him staying is if he cannot find a way out. Look for a public announcement soon voicing his desires. It's the only playing card he has.

As disappointing and hard to accept for some here, who can really blame someone who exercises their personal right to work in/for the city/organization they want. These guys are essentially private contractors. The challenge is for Babby and McDo to maximize the return. Unfortunately, it may not be equitable as we deal from a lesser leveraged position.

[bwgood77]

Guys i don't understand cap hold things. Simply, we have 14 MD to spend? Then how can we keep both Monroe and Bledsoe theoretically ?

I'm not cap savvy either, but as I understand it, if we could sign Monroe first (without Detroit matching) and then resign Bledsoe, we could go over the cap, but then Sarver would have to pay the luxury tax. I know he was willing to do it if we could sign LeBron and another superstar, I'm not sure Monroe fits into that category, though.

Sarver wouldn't necessarily have to pay the luxury tax. It would be close. The cap is about 63 and luxury tax level is a shade under 77. Going over the cap doesn't immediately put you into the luxury tax, which is what it seems like a couple of you were saying.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21 Scroll down to chart at bottom of this question

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q13

[bwgood77]

Oh yeah, Bird Rights. I love you Larry Bird Thanks for responses. But with our cap space, we can give Monroe max i guess. Wasn't Monroe's max worth 16 MD?

It's that same contract that Hayward got. Max we could offer is 14.7 + 4.5% raises (which comes out to about 63.6 I think, or close to an avg of 16 a year). You can see what the max starting salaries are for players by # of years in the league on bottom chart (0-6 year category for Monroe, Bledsoe)

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

[bwgood77]

Baseless speculation and jumping to conclusions based on no evidence whatsoever.

I think there's plenty of evidence. The fact that they shut down negotiations last year. The fact that they haven't been in Phoenix this entire off-season. There is the "favorite" of the tweet suggesting the Lakers sign him. The reports coming out from a "source" suggesting that he wants the full 5-year max when anyone with half a brain knows he doesn't deserve that off half a season of starting. You can ignore these signs if you like, but the rest of us can connect the dots fairly easily.

Yup Carey .... SunsFan's observation summarized the scenario quite well. I'd say we have 80% chance on 'Bleeding out' .... The only scenario I see him staying is if he cannot find a way out. Look for a public announcement soon voicing his desires. It's the only playing card he has.

As disappointing and hard to accept for some here, who can really blame someone who exercises their personal right to work in/for the city/organization they want. These guys are essentially private contractors. The challenge is for Babby and McDo to maximize the return. Unfortunately, it may not be equitable as we deal from a lesser leveraged position.

I'd say it's unclear whether or not he wants to play here right now. I definitely wouldn't jump to conclusions that he wants out. Now the way Eric Gordon did it was another story. That was pretty clear. But even if someone wants out, it doesn't matter. That doesn't mean they are getting out unless it makes sense for the Suns to do it. Need to hang onto the asset unless we can find a trade that clearly makes sense for the Suns.

[RunDogGun]

I think we should do Detroit a solid, and offer Monroe an $11 million contract, and have them do the same to Bledsoe. Both of us set a market price, and then we can offer the $12 million to ours and they can to theirs.

[RaisingArizona]

I think we should do Detroit a solid, and offer Monroe an $11 million contract, and have them do the same to Bledsoe. Both of us set a market price, and then we can offer the $12 million to ours and they can to theirs.

Why would Bledsoe sign that? That's the same price we've offered.

[LukasBMW]

I think we should do Detroit a solid, and offer Monroe an $11 million contract, and have them do the same to Bledsoe. Both of us set a market price, and then we can offer the $12 million to ours and they can to theirs.

I do like this idea.

"Hey Bledsoe, since we haven't heard from you, we are going to offer $11 million a year for 4 years to a CENTER who averaged 15 and 10 last year and has only missed 1 games in his last 2 years. He has career averages of 14 and 9 compared to your 8 and 3. So do you want $11 million per season too???? Or are you going to continue to live in the land of ponies and rainbows and max contracts for injury prone point guards?"

[gaspar]

I think there's plenty of evidence. The fact that they shut down negotiations last year. The fact that they haven't been in Phoenix this entire off-season. There is the "favorite" of the tweet suggesting the Lakers sign him. The reports coming out from a "source" suggesting that he wants the full 5-year max when anyone with half a brain knows he doesn't deserve that off half a season of starting. You can ignore these signs if you like, but the rest of us can connect the dots fairly easily.

Yup Carey .... SunsFan's observation summarized the scenario quite well. I'd say we have 80% chance on 'Bleeding out' .... The only scenario I see him staying is if he cannot find a way out. Look for a public announcement soon voicing his desires. It's the only playing card he has.

As disappointing and hard to accept for some here, who can really blame someone who exercises their personal right to work in/for the city/organization they want. These guys are essentially private contractors. The challenge is for Babby and McDo to maximize the return. Unfortunately, it may not be equitable as we deal from a lesser leveraged position.

I'd say it's unclear whether or not he wants to play here right now. I definitely wouldn't jump to conclusions that he wants out. Now the way Eric Gordon did it was another story. That was pretty clear. But even if someone wants out, it doesn't matter. That doesn't mean they are getting out unless it makes sense for the Suns to do it. Need to hang onto the asset unless we can find a trade that clearly makes sense for the Suns.

Yeah, it's inconclusive at best. With guys like Chandler Parsons or Eric Gordon it was pretty clear they wanted out.

There's also this:

"I don't think he wants to leave Phoenix," Coro said. "It's probably frustrating for everybody to hear him not just say a simple thing like ‘man I would really love to stay here, it was great here, I love my team, I could really see myself being here a long time.' It would have been great if somebody had coached him to say that or had him say that, but I think we maybe read a little too much into Eric Bledsoe not saying things like that."

"I know just from being around the team, and watching his interaction, he loves that team, and he loved (them) playing the way they did and I think he really showed a great appreciation too for the process he went through after the knee surgery and how the training staff handled that with him and how he wasn't pushed through that whole process, and came out feeling really healthy and with full confidence once he was able to play again," Coro said.

and this:

"From my aspects," [Ish] Smith said, "and talking to him on the plane -- he sits right beside me, he wants to be back. He likes it here and so obviously all of you guys will be excited to have him back and I know I will be."

[wordsenuff]

i'm getting tired of waiting for these guys to reach an agreement. every morning the first thing i do is check to see if the situation has changed. some one has to give!

[NapoleonII]

Yep, we're all in the "inconclusive" boat for now. Bledsoe's personality is hard to read, he's quiet and introverted and probably doesn't like "announcing his desires."

Just hold on to what we've built last year and hope his primadonna of an agent does what is best for his client, which is ink him up for a contract that Steph Curry took, that Kyle Lowry took and is best for his long-term future.

[JDLAW]

Baseless speculation and jumping to conclusions based on no evidence whatsoever.

I think there's plenty of evidence. The fact that they shut down negotiations last year. The fact that they haven't been in Phoenix this entire off-season. There is the "favorite" of the tweet suggesting the Lakers sign him. The reports coming out from a "source" suggesting that he wants the full 5-year max when anyone with half a brain knows he doesn't deserve that off half a season of starting. You can ignore these signs if you like, but the rest of us can connect the dots fairly easily.

Yup Carey .... SunsFan's observation summarized the scenario quite well. I'd say we have 80% chance on 'Bleeding out' .... The only scenario I see him staying is if he cannot find a way out. Look for a public announcement soon voicing his desires. It's the only playing card he has.

As disappointing and hard to accept for some here, who can really blame someone who exercises their personal right to work in/for the city/organization they want. These guys are essentially private contractors. The challenge is for Babby and McDo to maximize the return. Unfortunately, it may not be equitable as we deal from a lesser leveraged position.

I think if he we're to make a pronouncement that he wants out, it would have the opposite effect on his perception among NBA teams and little to no effect on the market. There would be several teams calling to offer their "crap" sign and trades, which the Suns will reject. Most teams will view this as petulance and stay away from the situation.

[JDLAW]

i'm getting tired of waiting for these guys to reach an agreement. every morning the first thing i do is check to see if the situation has changed. some one has to give!

Patience-it will all sort out eventually.