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reanimator wrote:Ben Wallace could switch on to guards.. does Cliff have the lateral quickness and foot speed for that?
Marcus wrote:reanimator wrote:Ben Wallace could switch on to guards.. does Cliff have the lateral quickness and foot speed for that?
F*ck no. not from what i've seen at least. Then again I didn't Jahlil could either until he did it to Mudiay at the Hoop Summit so who knows.
Cliff isn't the complete defensive stopper Ben was. I said in terms of energy, blocking hunting, and activity on the boards.
ManualRam wrote:miltk wrote:ManualRam wrote:...............
manualR.
what do you think of my bruins'
looney, welsh, bolden,,,,and in 2yrs lonzo ball?
i really like bolden. i think he has a ton of upside. thin as a rail, but i like his combination of iq, length, activity, shooting stroke and passing. sleeper potential, but he needs to bulk up.
looney will be good for your program. he looks more like a 2-3 yr player to me and i'm not sure which direction he wants to go position wise, but he's got 2 way potential. somewhat similar to mcadoo, but i think he has much better touch.
i haven't seen too much of welsh and what i have wasn't that impressive. skill-wise he has the basics, but i think he's a project physically. he's slow and unathletic, but he'll be a good core guy for UCLA.
lonzo is a very unique player. kinda hard to evaluate because he goes for a lot of home run, flashy plays. doesn't look like he should be able to shoot it well with that stroke, but from a stand still he's got deep range. very right handed and can be loose with the ball. he's got unique vision though. love seeing PGs who make hit ahead and skip passes which he does. i'd just like to see him tighten up his game a little bit, but it's obvious he has a mind for the game. he just needs to keep things simple.
you didn't mention aaron holiday, but i like his game as well. he's got similar tendencies to jrue in that he's a bulldog defensively. he's a little on the short side but he's got holiday arms. he's more athletic than jrue, has good body strength and is aggressive attacking the cup. he already knows how to draw fouls. i think he's underrated for his class.
reanimator wrote:Marcus wrote:reanimator wrote:Ben Wallace could switch on to guards.. does Cliff have the lateral quickness and foot speed for that?
F*ck no. not from what i've seen at least. Then again I didn't Jahlil could either until he did it to Mudiay at the Hoop Summit so who knows.
Cliff isn't the complete defensive stopper Ben was. I said in terms of energy, blocking hunting, and activity on the boards.
A better Jason Maxiell?
reanimator wrote:U17 tryout roster is loaded http://www.usab.com/mens/u17/roster.aspx
miltk wrote:i think you might have referenced livingston too.
" Make no mistake, UCLA has landed a major talent in point guard Lonzo Ball. At 6-foot-5, he has the kind of ball-handling ability, all around game and vision that evokes memories of Shaun Livingston at the same age.
At the same time, though, you can't help but watch him and think he could give even more by being a bit more aggressive off the dribble. That is pretty scary, considering he went for 17 points, 15 rebounds and 14 assists during his Big Ballers squad's win over Team Access on Saturday night. Many times, Ball whipped the ball 30-50 feet up the floor for easy assists and didn't even have to cross half court. His development over the next few years is going to be interesting to watch and there is no denying that he has big-time talent."ManualRam wrote:miltk wrote:
manualR.
what do you think of my bruins'
looney, welsh, bolden,,,,and in 2yrs lonzo ball?
i really like bolden. i think he has a ton of upside. thin as a rail, but i like his combination of iq, length, activity, shooting stroke and passing. sleeper potential, but he needs to bulk up.
looney will be good for your program. he looks more like a 2-3 yr player to me and i'm not sure which direction he wants to go position wise, but he's got 2 way potential. somewhat similar to mcadoo, but i think he has much better touch.
i haven't seen too much of welsh and what i have wasn't that impressive. skill-wise he has the basics, but i think he's a project physically. he's slow and unathletic, but he'll be a good core guy for UCLA.
lonzo is a very unique player. kinda hard to evaluate because he goes for a lot of home run, flashy plays. doesn't look like he should be able to shoot it well with that stroke, but from a stand still he's got deep range. very right handed and can be loose with the ball. he's got unique vision though. love seeing PGs who make hit ahead and skip passes which he does. i'd just like to see him tighten up his game a little bit, but it's obvious he has a mind for the game. he just needs to keep things simple.
you didn't mention aaron holiday, but i like his game as well. he's got similar tendencies to jrue in that he's a bulldog defensively. he's a little on the short side but he's got holiday arms. he's more athletic than jrue, has good body strength and is aggressive attacking the cup. he already knows how to draw fouls. i think he's underrated for his class.
ManualRam wrote:cliff isn't dominant defensively. he'll go for a lot of highlight reel blocks and can be a bit lazy on that end. could have been a product of the defense his team plays though. big men in hs can pretty much just zone up and rest in front of the rim.
Marcus wrote:first: is it going too far to call Ben Simmons a poor man's Grant Hill as Josh Jackson is considered TMac with less length?
second: somewhere in this thread Cliff Alexander was compared to Ben Wallace defensively and I could see it as far shot blocking at the level he played and his high energy and whatnot but parts of me was still skeptical which led to some Ben Wallace highlight watching. I remember seeing the guy and knowing he was all energy, bounding, and volley ball spiking at the rim on defense but I COMPLETELY FORGOT how explosive dude was in doing so.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-bHRvtUMes[/youtube]
obviously it depends on how Cliff performs on the college level and if he can bang with similar size as he dominated the high school level but I can see a Ben Wallace esque path for Cliffy if the post and jumper don't really work out for him. There's room to grow for Cliffy to where this doesn't have to be his ceiling but the energy, blocking hunting, and activity on the glass is all there already.
ManualRam wrote:
he has a very unique approach. well, it shouldn't be unique, but it is for PGs his age. i mentioned the hit ahead passes in my previous post about him and that shouldn't be overlooked. most PGs his age want to take the ball up themselves and weave through traffic. if lonzo sees an opportunity to get the ball up the court ASAP via the hit ahead pass, he whips it with no second guessing. it's a good sign that he knows what he's doing and has a QBs vision.
miltk wrote:manualR
there's a couple of players considering us VERY strongly,,,dj hogg and jaylen brown.
apparently, with brown it's us or ky and his family doesn't like ky. i do not know if it's calipari or the system or the school...brown is a very smart kid. i think the whole georgia/adams/tony parker thing helps and adams has tweeted that UCLA was the best decision he ever made. i know too that brown likes the city life.
as for hogg, he's apparently feels sympatico that UCLA has put players of his ilk in the league, ie not great athletically.
what do you think of these two
thxManualRam wrote:
he has a very unique approach. well, it shouldn't be unique, but it is for PGs his age. i mentioned the hit ahead passes in my previous post about him and that shouldn't be overlooked. most PGs his age want to take the ball up themselves and weave through traffic. if lonzo sees an opportunity to get the ball up the court ASAP via the hit ahead pass, he whips it with no second guessing. it's a good sign that he knows what he's doing and has a QBs vision.
ManualRam wrote:miltk wrote:manualR
there's a couple of players considering us VERY strongly,,,dj hogg and jaylen brown.
apparently, with brown it's us or ky and his family doesn't like ky. i do not know if it's calipari or the system or the school...brown is a very smart kid. i think the whole georgia/adams/tony parker thing helps and adams has tweeted that UCLA was the best decision he ever made. i know too that brown likes the city life.
as for hogg, he's apparently feels sympatico that UCLA has put players of his ilk in the league, ie not great athletically.
what do you think of these two
thxManualRam wrote:
he has a very unique approach. well, it shouldn't be unique, but it is for PGs his age. i mentioned the hit ahead passes in my previous post about him and that shouldn't be overlooked. most PGs his age want to take the ball up themselves and weave through traffic. if lonzo sees an opportunity to get the ball up the court ASAP via the hit ahead pass, he whips it with no second guessing. it's a good sign that he knows what he's doing and has a QBs vision.
my thoughts on brown the player are all over this thread. i think he's a fantastic prospect with just about every physical tool you could want for a wing. he's driven, has improved rapidly and he wants to be in the best possible position to continue to improve.
sounds like you know more about brown's recruiting than i do. all that i gather from what i've read about him is that he's a pretty no nonsense type cat. you don't see his name mentioned in any rumored package deals. i don't think he's a fan of this whole recruitment process. he thinks that coaches calling him every day is unnecessary and a little strange, maybe even slightly annoying. i think it's possible for a program to OVER-recruit him. i foresee him making his decision sometime soon because he doesn't want the process to extend any longer than it has to. the rumor is that UCLA has the momentum and that would bode for them if he indeed makes his decision soon. i saw him as a UK lean, but i had not heard the rumors of his family not being fond of kentucky. could be an SEC thing since that is his home state and i know they were georgia leans at one point. could be that his family is no nonsense which is where jaylen gets that from and sees through cal's phoniness. could be a potential logjam at the wings with, i'm assuming, d.booker coming back and UK having charles matthews locked up.
as for hogg, he's one of the best pure shooters in the class and he looks more like a core, 3-4 yr guy as opposed to an early entrant. he's not the quickest guy and doesn't have great ball skills, but he can shoot the crap out of the ball, can get his shot off in a number of ways, has a quick release and he does have good length. kinda reminds me of brannen greene from last yr's KU class.
ManualRam wrote:miltk wrote:manualR
there's a couple of players considering us VERY strongly,,,dj hogg and jaylen brown.
apparently, with brown it's us or ky and his family doesn't like ky. i do not know if it's calipari or the system or the school...brown is a very smart kid. i think the whole georgia/adams/tony parker thing helps and adams has tweeted that UCLA was the best decision he ever made. i know too that brown likes the city life.
as for hogg, he's apparently feels sympatico that UCLA has put players of his ilk in the league, ie not great athletically.
what do you think of these two
thxManualRam wrote:
he has a very unique approach. well, it shouldn't be unique, but it is for PGs his age. i mentioned the hit ahead passes in my previous post about him and that shouldn't be overlooked. most PGs his age want to take the ball up themselves and weave through traffic. if lonzo sees an opportunity to get the ball up the court ASAP via the hit ahead pass, he whips it with no second guessing. it's a good sign that he knows what he's doing and has a QBs vision.
my thoughts on brown the player are all over this thread. i think he's a fantastic prospect with just about every physical tool you could want for a wing. he's driven, has improved rapidly and he wants to be in the best possible position to continue to improve.
sounds like you know more about brown's recruiting than i do. all that i gather from what i've read about him is that he's a pretty no nonsense type cat. you don't see his name mentioned in any rumored package deals. i don't think he's a fan of this whole recruitment process. he thinks that coaches calling him every day is unnecessary and a little strange, maybe even slightly annoying. i think it's possible for a program to OVER-recruit him. i foresee him making his decision sometime soon because he doesn't want the process to extend any longer than it has to. the rumor is that UCLA has the momentum and that would bode for them if he indeed makes his decision soon. i saw him as a UK lean, but i had not heard the rumors of his family not being fond of kentucky. could be an SEC thing since that is his home state and i know they were georgia leans at one point. could be that his family is no nonsense which is where jaylen gets that from and sees through cal's phoniness. could be a potential logjam at the wings with, i'm assuming, d.booker coming back and UK having charles matthews locked up.
as for hogg, he's one of the best pure shooters in the class and he looks more like a core, 3-4 yr guy as opposed to an early entrant. he's not the quickest guy and doesn't have great ball skills, but he can shoot the crap out of the ball, can get his shot off in a number of ways, has a quick release and he does have good length. kinda reminds me of brannen greene from last yr's KU class.
miltk wrote:5 so-called recruiting experts at 247 just switched over to UCLA from ky.ManualRam wrote:miltk wrote:manualR
there's a couple of players considering us VERY strongly,,,dj hogg and jaylen brown.
apparently, with brown it's us or ky and his family doesn't like ky. i do not know if it's calipari or the system or the school...brown is a very smart kid. i think the whole georgia/adams/tony parker thing helps and adams has tweeted that UCLA was the best decision he ever made. i know too that brown likes the city life.
as for hogg, he's apparently feels sympatico that UCLA has put players of his ilk in the league, ie not great athletically.
what do you think of these two
thx
my thoughts on brown the player are all over this thread. i think he's a fantastic prospect with just about every physical tool you could want for a wing. he's driven, has improved rapidly and he wants to be in the best possible position to continue to improve.
sounds like you know more about brown's recruiting than i do. all that i gather from what i've read about him is that he's a pretty no nonsense type cat. you don't see his name mentioned in any rumored package deals. i don't think he's a fan of this whole recruitment process. he thinks that coaches calling him every day is unnecessary and a little strange, maybe even slightly annoying. i think it's possible for a program to OVER-recruit him. i foresee him making his decision sometime soon because he doesn't want the process to extend any longer than it has to. the rumor is that UCLA has the momentum and that would bode for them if he indeed makes his decision soon. i saw him as a UK lean, but i had not heard the rumors of his family not being fond of kentucky. could be an SEC thing since that is his home state and i know they were georgia leans at one point. could be that his family is no nonsense which is where jaylen gets that from and sees through cal's phoniness. could be a potential logjam at the wings with, i'm assuming, d.booker coming back and UK having charles matthews locked up.
as for hogg, he's one of the best pure shooters in the class and he looks more like a core, 3-4 yr guy as opposed to an early entrant. he's not the quickest guy and doesn't have great ball skills, but he can shoot the crap out of the ball, can get his shot off in a number of ways, has a quick release and he does have good length. kinda reminds me of brannen greene from last yr's KU class.
immortalone23 wrote:miltk wrote:5 so-called recruiting experts at 247 just switched over to UCLA from ky.ManualRam wrote:
my thoughts on brown the player are all over this thread. i think he's a fantastic prospect with just about every physical tool you could want for a wing. he's driven, has improved rapidly and he wants to be in the best possible position to continue to improve.
sounds like you know more about brown's recruiting than i do. all that i gather from what i've read about him is that he's a pretty no nonsense type cat. you don't see his name mentioned in any rumored package deals. i don't think he's a fan of this whole recruitment process. he thinks that coaches calling him every day is unnecessary and a little strange, maybe even slightly annoying. i think it's possible for a program to OVER-recruit him. i foresee him making his decision sometime soon because he doesn't want the process to extend any longer than it has to. the rumor is that UCLA has the momentum and that would bode for them if he indeed makes his decision soon. i saw him as a UK lean, but i had not heard the rumors of his family not being fond of kentucky. could be an SEC thing since that is his home state and i know they were georgia leans at one point. could be that his family is no nonsense which is where jaylen gets that from and sees through cal's phoniness. could be a potential logjam at the wings with, i'm assuming, d.booker coming back and UK having charles matthews locked up.
as for hogg, he's one of the best pure shooters in the class and he looks more like a core, 3-4 yr guy as opposed to an early entrant. he's not the quickest guy and doesn't have great ball skills, but he can shoot the crap out of the ball, can get his shot off in a number of ways, has a quick release and he does have good length. kinda reminds me of brannen greene from last yr's KU class.
Very interesting man! Thanks for sharing! Kentucky is loaded at the wing position next year! Where else is Jaylen considering?