The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

JTrain · Post #121 » by **JTrain** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:13 pm

The more this drags on like this the less I think it is really about the money. It's hard to imagine him having major issues with any other players or coaches personally, so it may be a matter of him hating the whole combo guard and wanting to be the 1 true point guard on a team. Thoughts?

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #122 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:21 pm

JTrain wrote:The more this drags on like this the less I think it is really about the money. It's hard to imagine him having major issues with any other players or coaches personally, so it may be a matter of him hating the whole combo guard and wanting to be the 1 true point guard on a team. Thoughts?

I suspect it's about marketing. I think he wants Derrick Rose treatment - commercials, endorsements, the like. I think he dislikes the fact that it's so team-oriented and that, as a result, he may not get the sort of acclaim he desires. I think the team-focus combines with the fact that the Phoenix market may not be viewed as optimal for brand development. I think he see an opportunity to be heralded as a Laker, even as part of a 1-2 punch, the other part of which would be acquired post-Kobe. In other words, I think he's exploring a business opportunity.

I also think he misses the LA scene. It's hot in the desert, but it's not quite as "hot."

ShawnBronald · Post #123 » by **ShawnBronald** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:34 pm

DRK wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
DRK wrote:Kerrsed seems to have a thing for girls that look like theyre 13 years old.

Says the K-Pop master who lusts afters groups filled with nothing but legit 13 year olds!

I didnt say it was a bad thing.

aIvin adams · Post #124 » by **aIvin adams** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:37 pm

why would it be about anything besides money just because it's dragging on?

you can't serve two masters. and as far as i can tell most ppl obey the buck. that's all

Post #125 » by **rsavaj** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:57 pm

Lakers offer doesn't make any sense for us at all.

You take a gigantic step back while Dragic is only under contract for one more year; no reason to waste a year of his prime like that. You also make the Lakers pick even worse.

I'm pretty sure that Bledsoe will be back on a 55-60 million dollar deal with us.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #126 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:09 pm

rsavaj wrote:Lakers offer doesn't make any sense for us at all.

You take a gigantic step back while Dragic is only under contract for one more year; no reason to waste a year of his prime like that. You also make the Lakers pick even worse.

I'm pretty sure that Bledsoe will be back on a 55-60 million dollar deal with us.

I disagree. The goal is a championship. Even with Bledsoe, we'd be time-limited to 4 years (as he'd clearly bolt at the end of that contract). I think we could compete for the playoffs next year even after trading Bledsoe. True, the pick would be worse, but then again, we might not get it at all next year. I think there are multiple ways forward, but as long as we maintain a winning atmosphere while also remaining committed to acquiring valuable assets and forgoing overpriced ones and avoiding short-term thinking, we put ourselves in the best position to contend for a title.

It occurs to me that we might not have drafted Ennis with the thought of trading him, but with the intention to develop him as our PG of the future. It occurs to me that our most talented players are all about 20 years old. I don't think you have to throw the short game to win the long game, but I do think McDonough is playing the long game.

RunDogGun · Post #127 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:12 pm

TASTIC wrote:I'd love Len to work with Ilgauskas - I think he's more athletic than Z obviously, but he's similar size/frame and he needs to work on fundamentals like FTs and hitting a 12-15 feet jumper - that sort of stuff will be there when you're older, like Z was. Z was money from mid-range and basically just camped under the hoop for offensive rebounds cos he was 270lb.

Every time I see Noel rise up for a swat I sigh a little. PERFECT C for this team...ah well. Len has the potential to be a much better scorer and rebounder than him though, though Noel's already going to be a monster with steals, deflections and blocks.

Totally agree he needs to add 15lb of muscle - there aren't many 7'1" 270lb guys in the league, especially mobile ones who can jump a bit too. And are just 21!

I was hoping we could bring in Mike Fratello as an assistant coach to work with Len. Mike coaches the Ukrainian team, and I love how he works with players. I'm not sure he would take the gig, but he would be a great addition to our team.

JTrain · Post #128 » by **JTrain** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:17 pm

aIvin adams wrote:why would it be about anything besides money just because it's dragging on?

you can't serve two masters. and as far as i can tell most ppl obey the buck. that's all

Because his demand is so outrageous. He has no leverage and yet doesn't seem interested in any reasonable negotiating numbers. It just makes it appear that he doesn't actually want to sign with the Suns.

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #129 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:19 pm

JTrain wrote:
aIvin adams wrote:why would it be about anything besides money just because it's dragging on?

you can't serve two masters. and as far as i can tell most ppl obey the buck. that's all

Because his demand is so outrageous. He has no leverage and yet doesn't seem interested in any reasonable negotiating numbers. It just makes it appear that he doesn't actually you want to sign with the Suns.

It does, doesn't it? But we want him, and can prevent him from signing elsewhere. So you'd think his camp would be talking to other teams about getting us to move, wouldn't you?

JTrain · Post #130 » by **JTrain** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:19 pm

rsavaj wrote:Lakers offer doesn't make any sense for us at all.

Which one? Is there a real one on the table? Randle?

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #131 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:22 pm

JTrain wrote:
rsavaj wrote:Lakers offer doesn't make any sense for us at all.

Which one? Is there a real one on the table? Randle?

We have absolutely no clue what's going on behind closed doors. Everything is speculation, with the possible exception of the HuffPo guy's claims. His reliability is dubious, especially because of the Jordan Hill comment. But there was also Jon Bloom (sp?). So there have been a couple short blurbs about this. I think it makes sense and have attempted to explain why I think so.

JTrain · Post #132 » by **JTrain** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:27 pm

Can we get Dave Hopla to teach our guys free throws?

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NaturalBuns · Post #133 » by **NaturalBuns** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:30 pm

JTrain wrote:The more this drags on like this the less I think it is really about the money. It's hard to imagine him having major issues with any other players or coaches personally, so it may be a matter of him hating the whole combo guard and wanting to be the 1 true point guard on a team. Thoughts?

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Yeah I've said it in the previous threads 100 times.
The exit interview speaks volume.

At the end of the day money talks though

JTrain · Post #134 » by **JTrain** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:38 pm

How about we sign him for 55 million and then trade him during the season when some team trying to make a run is getting desperate for a point guard and willing to give up great assets?

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RunDogGun · Post #135 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:41 pm

JTrain wrote:Can we get Dave Hopla to teach our guys free throws?

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Hornacek shot a career 87.7%, not good enough?

And incredibly in his final season in Utah, he shot 95%.

JTrain · Post #136 » by **JTrain** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:42 pm

Lakers pick is safe unless they get lucky with the ping pong balls.

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RunDogGun · Post #137 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:49 pm

JTrain wrote:Lakers pick is safe unless they get lucky with the ping pong balls.

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Why did you have to say that?

Superhuman · Post #138 » by **Superhuman** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:51 pm

Superbone wrote:
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She doesn't seem too Grande to me. More like petite.

aIvin adams · Post #139 » by **aIvin adams** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:54 pm

well you guys make persuasive points but i still don't think there's any reason to believe it's not about money.

if his contract demands are outrageous-- and i don't know if they are or aren't-- then it might as well be money is his purpose. maybe he just wants an outrageous amount of money, whether he plays here or elsewhere.

money seems to be the primary motivation behind the vast majority of NBA contracts. i just don't see any evidence that there's some other motivation here for Bledsoe. all the evidence is congruent with the theory that he just wants to maximize his earnings, and that's the simplest answer imo. occam's razor style

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #140 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:59 pm

aIvin adams wrote:well you guys make persuasive points but i still don't think there's any reason to believe it's not about money.

if his contract demands are outrageous-- and i don't know if they are or aren't-- then it might as well be money is his purpose. maybe he just wants an outrageous amount of money, whether he plays here or elsewhere.

money seems to be the primary motivation behind the vast majority of NBA contracts. i just don't see any evidence that there's some other motivation here for Bledsoe. all the evidence is congruent with the theory that he just wants to maximize his earnings, and that's the simplest answer imo. occam's razor style

Marketability and money aren't really different. The purpose of marketing is to make money. But then one object of money is to acquire fame, which is another benefit of marketing. No real disagreement here.