Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4

Dat2U · Post #1321 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:54 pm

Induveca wrote:If I were Phoenix, I'd let Bledsoe walk. He's already missed a ton of games in his career.

Two knee surgeries (2011, 2014) at age 24? No thanks.

It's now obvious why they signed Isaiah Thomas. They likely realized Bledsoe wanted the max, they'll be absolutely fine without him.

Yeah, Phoenix did right. Thomas doesn't have Bledsoe's upside or defensive capabilities but offensively he'll actually be an upgrade. $80 million for Bledsoe is ridiculous and his agent has basically priced him out of the market altogether.

If I was Phoenix, I'd play hard ball, refuse to negotiate any S&Ts and dare Bledsoe's agent to find a better deal than $48mil. They're negotiating from a position of strength. Set a drop dead date and watch Bledsoe's agent squirm.

Post #1322 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:16 pm

Ruzious wrote:
bealwithit wrote:Kendall Marshall waived...

I took a lot of bleep for defending EG for his decision to let Marshall go.

I'm actually surprised the Lakers wouldn't keep him. Minus him they only have 10 guys (that I can see) on the books for next season. So they still need 3rd string guys for depth, and Marshall was on a minimum deal. I guess they feel they can do better.

Prior to the Miller trade, I had actually come around to saying it was a mistake to keep a guy like Singleton over one of the guards we got in the Gortat trade (either Marshall or Brown). Not because I thought they were great players, but because we needed more depth in the backcourt.

Let's see where Marshall ends up and whether or not he sticks.

Post #1323 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:19 pm

As for the Lakers, I'm curious to see how they fill out the rest of their roster. At this point, they don't have a small forward. And I doubt they are paying Nick Young MLE money to be Kobe's backup/caddy. Is the Mamba transitioning to the 3?

verbal8 · Post #1324 » by **verbal8** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:32 pm

I think the Lakers needed to make the move to put their amnesty bid in on Boozer. I think it would free up about 500K cutting vet minimum player and having the rookie min cap hold instead.

I read somewhere that they will likely want to bring him back - assuming Detroit doesn't have cap space to sign him to 5 times what he is worth.

The big thing about Marshall for the Wizards was he is better than Maynor.

Bringing Marshall back would be 11 on the roster they would also still have the room exception($2.75 million IIRC) and would probably sign a couple vet minimum scrap heap guys.

LyricalRico wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
bealwithit wrote:Kendall Marshall waived...

I took a lot of bleep for defending EG for his decision to let Marshall go.

I'm actually surprised the Lakers wouldn't keep him. Minus him they only have 10 guys (that I can see) on the books for next season. So they still need 3rd string guys for depth, and Marshall was on a minimum deal. I guess they feel they can do better.

Prior to the Miller trade, I had actually come around to saying it was a mistake to keep a guy like Singleton over one of the guards we got in the Gortat trade (either Marshall or Brown). Not because I thought they were great players, but because we needed more depth in the backcourt.

Let's see where Marshall ends up and whether or not he sticks.

Youheardme90 · Post #1325 » by **Youheardme90** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:05 am

Why can`t a player like Xavier Henry make more of his career ? He seems to have the physical tools , is it mental ?

hands11 · Post #1326 » by **hands11** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:11 am

So what names are still out there.

C Anderson
Okafor
Ramon Sessions

Here is what I put together for signing. I intended to include there starting salaries but most were missing so I left that out. I'm missing a few names but here are most the bigger ones.

Darren Collison Kings 3 for 16
Jodie Meeks Detroit 3 for 19.5M
Patrick Patterson Raps 3 for 18M
Kaman Portland 2 for 10M
CJ Miles IND 4 for 18M
Hawes Clippers 4 for 23M
Frye Magic 4 for 32M
McRoberts Miami 4 for 23M
Parson Dallas 3 for 45M
PJ Tucker Suns 3 for 16.5M
Isiah Thomas Suns 4 for 27M
Jordan Hill Lakers 2 for 18M
Nick Young Lakers 4 for 21.5M
Vince Carter Memphis 3 for 12M
Paul Peirce Washington 2 for 11M
Marvin Williams Charlotte 2 for 14M
deng Heat 2 for 20M
Gordon Haywood Utah 4 for 63M
Trevor Ariza Houton 4 for 28M
Caron Butler Detroit 2 for 10M
D.J. Augustin Detroit 2 for 6M
T Booker Utah 2 for 10M
Humpries Washington 3 for 13.5
G Haywood Jazz 4 for 63
lance Charlotte 3 for 27.5
tolliver Suns 2 for 6M
Blair Wizards 3 for 6M
B Rush Warriors 2 for 2.5M
Luck Ridnior Magic 2 for 5.5M
Ryan Kelly Lakers ??
Wesley Johnson Lakers
Xavier Henry Lakers 1 for 1M
Carlos Boozer Lakers 1 for 3.25M

fishercob · Post #1327 » by **fishercob** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:02 pm

Really interesting player development story out of OKC.

http://newsok.com/article/5006034

verbal8 · Post #1328 » by **verbal8** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:18 pm

fishercob wrote:Really interesting player development story out of OKC.

http://newsok.com/article/5006034

What incentive does the player have for being assigned to D-League?

pancakes3 · Post #1329 » by **pancakes3** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:15 pm

The only one I can think of is playing time. We'd draft the replacements for Nene or Miller and stash them in the d-league and bring them up ready to play as the older guys expired. It's 2 years worth of NBA salary though and is at a significant disadvantage to the players from the money standpoint.

closg00 · Post #1330 » by **closg00** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:16 am

The Phoenix Suns appear to be following the David Kahn model, circa 2009: Sign points guards now, deal with the specifics later.

Just as Kahn inexplicably drafted point guards with back-to-back first-round picks — Ricky Rubio and Johnny Flynn (remember him?), while passing on Stephen Curry — the Suns continue to acquire point guards.

The Suns traded for diminutive Sacramento Kings point guard Isaiah Thomas less than a month after drafting Syracuse point guard Tyler Ennis in June. This now gives Phoenix four point guards on its roster, including its two breakout stars, Eric Bledsoe and Goran Dragic.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ear ... nt-guards/
:crazy:

fishercob · Post #1331 » by **fishercob** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:32 am

verbal8 wrote:
fishercob wrote:Really interesting player development story out of OKC.

http://newsok.com/article/5006034

What incentive does the player have for being assigned to D-League?

Playing time and attention for their long term development. I can see downsides, but I also see some big upsides for the players.

If teams can't get out of the first round contract (so like, if a guy gets hurt in his D-league year, the team can't then opt to not sign him to his NBA deal), and if the player can afford to defer his NBA payday (some can't), then I could see it making sense. The developmental year under the team's supervision could help a player's long term staying power in the league as well as their financial prospects.

verbal8 · Post #1332 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:05 pm

pancakes3 wrote:The only one I can think of is playing time. We'd draft the replacements for Nene or Miller and stash them in the d-league and bring them up ready to play as the older guys expired. It's 2 years worth of NBA salary though and is at a significant disadvantage to the players from the money standpoint.

I agree this is an interesting development. This probably was set-up before the draft. I think this is likely more like the Brandon Jennings situation than the start of a big tend. I think it could be a good situation for Huestis and the team. For Huestis he will get roughly $2.1 million in his first 2 years in the NBA. It looks like a lot of the 2nd round picks are signed for that for 3 years(with no guarrantee).

I think he offers the right mix of maturity, outside of basketball earning potential and rawness as a basketball player for this to work. He was a center in high school, so needing more work on ball-handling and shooting isn't surprising.

For the team this is a no brainer, potentially you have a player locked up for his prime for about $5 million for 4 years. Not only is he cheap this season, but he seems like the type of player/person you would want around the rest of your D-League prospects. If OKC doesn't have a roster spot for him next season, they can probably at worst trade him for a 2nd round pick.

hands11 · Post #1333 » by **hands11** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:35 pm

I think if Love gets moved, it happens this week.

Post #1334 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:49 pm

verbal8 wrote:
fishercob wrote:Really interesting player development story out of OKC.

http://newsok.com/article/5006034

What incentive does the player have for being assigned to D-League?

The Spurs own their D-league team, IIRC. The D-League team literally runs the same plays the Spurs do, so if a guy gets sent down, he'll get more playing time but he'll still be in the same system as well.

hands11 · Post #1335 » by **hands11** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:32 pm

hands11 wrote:I think if Love gets moved, it happens this week.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... -With-Cavs

Thats the shot across the bow to MIN to tell them, **** or get off the pot.

If they don't take the offer, they are in limbo for another 30 days.

Not a deal breaker, but if they want to keep the bidding war going, they need more then on viable bidder.

payitforward · Post #1336 » by **payitforward** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:42 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
verbal8 wrote:
fishercob wrote:Really interesting player development story out of OKC.

http://newsok.com/article/5006034

What incentive does the player have for being assigned to D-League?

The Spurs own their D-league team, IIRC. The D-League team literally runs the same plays the Spurs do, so if a guy gets sent down, he'll get more playing time but he'll still be in the same system as well.

You mean OKC, of course.

Naturally, the Spurs drafted a much better prospect (IMO), Kyle Anderson, w/ the next pick!!

payitforward · Post #1337 » by **payitforward** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:44 pm

dupe post.

hands11 · Post #1338 » by **hands11** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:47 am

Wow. DAL dissing Shawn after all these years.

So where do he land.

I'm not seeing the open on most teams.

Laker ?

Post #1339 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:00 pm

closg00 wrote:
The Phoenix Suns appear to be following the David Kahn model, circa 2009: Sign points guards now, deal with the specifics later.

Just as Kahn inexplicably drafted point guards with back-to-back first-round picks — Ricky Rubio and Johnny Flynn (remember him?), while passing on Stephen Curry — the Suns continue to acquire point guards.

The Suns traded for diminutive Sacramento Kings point guard Isaiah Thomas less than a month after drafting Syracuse point guard Tyler Ennis in June. This now gives Phoenix four point guards on its roster, including its two breakout stars, Eric Bledsoe and Goran Dragic.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ear ... nt-guards/

Wow, forgot about Kahn. And then soon after that draft he signed both Luke Ridnour and JJ Barea - also point guards.

:lol:

And yeah, Phoenix has had a curious offseason. Not just the PGs - but the lack of other moves. I actually think their plan was to NOT be this good this fast. And now that they are, they aren't ready to spend the money to take the next step. It'll be interesting to see what they do from here on out.

Post #1340 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:05 pm

hands11 wrote:Wow. DAL dissing Shawn after all these years.

So where do he land.

I'm not seeing the open on most teams.

Laker ?

I think he'd be a nice fit in LA - they need a SF and he already has chemistry with Nash (assuming Nash even plays). But at this point they can only offer minimum contracts, and I'd expect a guy like Marion to get more than that.

Maybe to Detroit for the mini-MLE if they end up trading either Smith or Monroe? Or to OKC for the BAE?