Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[Chi town]

I would rather do the three team deal and get a more balanced team with depth at every single position. If we could get Thompson, Martin and Waiters for just Gibson and Dunleavy I would do it in a heartbeat.

C: Noah, Gasol, Bairstow
PF: Gasol, Thompson, Mirotic
SF: Butler, McDermott, Mirotic
SG: Martin, Waiters, Snell
PG: Rose, Hinrich, Brooks

That to me looks like a well balanced team that would not only be the favorites in the east but the favorites to win it all. That team to me looks scary because our second unit would destroy every other teams second unit anytime.

I'm sorry but that team is lame.
Chunks of depth won't play /develop or serve much use.
On such a team, Waiters and Thompson will get limited minutes. McD will get even less minutes, while Mirotic will hardly see the floor.

Thompson (and Butler) are up for extensions after the season. Waiters up for extension after that.

You have all this depth that you can barely use and you will end up letting big chunks of it walk (unless you do a consolidation trade).

Teams don't play hockey line-ups. We tried that in back in 2010/11. When you get deep into the offs, the best players play major minutes.

BTW, if we pull off a McD, Mitoric, MDJ, Taj for Love and Martin deal, the 5 starters you have listed are still on the team (I'm guessing Gasol goes to the bench with Hinrich, Brooks, and Bear-toes).

You just verbalized what I've been thinking... Balance but not enough mins to develop the youth. The contract situation is big too. TT doesn't play C either.

[kingkirk]

Mirotic bought out his contract with Real Madrid of the Spanish League only after the Bulls committed to keeping him in Chicago, according to a source familiar with negotiations. It's one thing to trade a savvy NBA veteran like Gibson after reassuring him to "buy, not lease,'' as general manager Gar Forman has advised, but another to mislead a 23-year-old rookie who uprooted his wife and young son to cross an ocean and become a Bull.

Smart business move or not, dealing Mirotic after earning his trust over three years would be contrary to everything Reinsdorf wants his organizations to represent and a departure from how the Bulls typically operate. It would be bold but borderline betrayal. It might lead to more victories but overall result in the loss of respect, and the Bulls traditionally care about both.

Perhaps that explains why, as of Thursday, Mirotic and his representatives remained under the impression the 6-foot-10 forward was not part of any "significant offer'' the Bulls made for Love.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... 252.column

I sense nothing's really going on for us in this thing.

People criticize the FO for being overly loyal to their players.

Right now, if we’re offering up Taj, a Bulls favourite, as well as 2 kids who we’ve invested a heap of time into before they even started their pro career, it goes against the M.O. of the FO, which is why it seems suss to me.

There is agenda that is in play here, and I don’t see it being Kevin Love to CHI.

Obviously a gut feeling, but looking at what we know about this organisation, frankly, I would be shocked if they did make an offer to Minnesota involving one or both of Mirotic & McDermott.

I also find it less plausible now that they’re officially Bulls. Perhaps if they weren’t, but they’re part of the ‘family’ now, for better or worse.

[SteelerSpartan]

Im not going to be stalking this board for another 30 days sniffing for rumors or insider sources like I did with the MeloDrama

Really at this point Im just ready to get to cheering for the Bulls Team we already have.

[Leslie Forman]

People criticize the FO for being overly loyal to their players.

Right now, if we’re offering up Taj, a Bulls favourite, as well as 2 kids who we’ve invested a heap of time into before they even started their pro career, it goes against the M.O. of the FO, which is why it seems suss to me.

There is agenda that is in play here, and I don’t see it being Kevin Love to CHI.

Obviously a gut feeling, but looking at what we know about this organisation, frankly, I would be shocked if they did make an offer to Minnesota involving one or both of Mirotic & McDermott.

I also find it less plausible now that they’re officially Bulls. Perhaps if they weren’t, but they’re part of the ‘family’ now, for better or worse.

Much of that was when Jerry and Paxson were in charge. Perhaps now with Jerry's son and Forman having bigger roles, things are more ruthless. Gar does originally come from college basketball, which has no loyalty or ethics whatsoever.

[DRoseCantStop]

Mirotic bought out his contract with Real Madrid of the Spanish League only after the Bulls committed to keeping him in Chicago, according to a source familiar with negotiations. It's one thing to trade a savvy NBA veteran like Gibson after reassuring him to "buy, not lease,'' as general manager Gar Forman has advised, but another to mislead a 23-year-old rookie who uprooted his wife and young son to cross an ocean and become a Bull.

Smart business move or not, dealing Mirotic after earning his trust over three years would be contrary to everything Reinsdorf wants his organizations to represent and a departure from how the Bulls typically operate. It would be bold but borderline betrayal. It might lead to more victories but overall result in the loss of respect, and the Bulls traditionally care about both.

Perhaps that explains why, as of Thursday, Mirotic and his representatives remained under the impression the 6-foot-10 forward was not part of any "significant offer'' the Bulls made for Love.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... 252.column

I sense nothing's really going on for us in this thing.

I also find it less plausible now that they’re officially Bulls. Perhaps if they weren’t, but they’re part of the ‘family’ now, for better or worse.

Cleveland is doing the same thing with Wiggins.

[kingkirk]

It's 2pm on a Friday afternoon here for me. I've just scoffed down a massive lunch, too quickly for my body to process it all efficiently.

I'm tired, I'm lethargic and I am not sure how I am going to make it through the remaining hours of my work day.

Why am I allowing myself to get roped into these threads? As if I hadn’t learnt my lesson from the endless Melo threads, like a bruised lover in a loveless relationship, my confidence is low and I know no other way. I don’t know how to take a leap and leave. It’s too much of a risk. No logic will allow me to make a rational decision in these irrational times.

My tolerances levels are rising. My veins are pulsing and my heart rate is intensifying. Sweating, panting & frail, I need a greater fix. I need a pure hit. I need to push my boundaries to get to where I once was. How do I get there?

I need tweets. I need news. I need sources.

Give me your 140 characters so I can shoot up on a senseless high.

Feed me.

Fulfilment, I know nothing of it.

[kingkirk]

Cleveland is doing the same thing with Wiggins.

Is this the same Cleveland that lost Lebron James the first time because they're an incomptent FO?

[WinCity]

There is agenda that is in play here, and I don’t see it being Kevin Love to CHI.

Obviously a gut feeling, but looking at what we know about this organisation, frankly, I would be shocked if they did make an offer to Minnesota involving one or both of Mirotic & McDermott.

I also find it less plausible now that they’re officially Bulls. Perhaps if they weren’t, but they’re part of the ‘family’ now, for better or worse.

I would not be surprised if there was an offer.

Love eats McDermott for breakfast and defecates Mirotic. The FO knows this.

[DRoseCantStop]

Cleveland is doing the same thing with Wiggins.

Is this the same Cleveland that lost Lebron James the first time because they're an incomptent FO?

But if they get back Love in return?

[othawhitemeat]

I hope we can get in some of that three way action with Cleveland and Minnesota.

I want a two-way trade:

Chicago and Minnesota.

I would rather do the three team deal and get a more balanced team with depth at every single position. If we could get Thompson, Martin and Waiters for just Gibson and Dunleavy I would do it in a heartbeat.

C: Noah, Gasol, Bairstow
PF: Gasol, Thompson, Mirotic
SF: Butler, McDermott, Mirotic
SG: Martin, Waiters, Snell
PG: Rose, Hinrich, Brooks

That to me looks like a well balanced team that would not only be the favorites in the east but the favorites to win it all. That team to me looks scary because our second unit would destroy every other teams second unit anytime.

I'm all about depleting the Cavs but the only way I ship Gibson and Dun Dun is if the Cavs send the Twolves Thompson and we get Dieng.

I really wish we would use Taj to get a ball-creating smart IQ player if we are trading him such as Burks and some backup big such as Jeremy Evans or Taj/Snell/picks for Dragic and one of the Morris twins. Just me on that I guess. Taj is only one year older than Dragic and if the Suns have serious thoughts about signing Bledsoe, I can't see them committing major money to Thomas, Dragic, and Bledsoe. Gibson is a freak athlete that pairs well with Gerald Green, Bledsoe, and Alex Len.

[Jcool0]

So it seems most people are resigned to the fact that the Bulls team we have right now is the Bulls team when the season starts.

[kingkirk]

I would not be surprised if there was an offer.

Love eats McDermott for breakfast and defecates Mirotic. The FO knows this.

That may be the case, but if folks are critical of the FO for holding onto guys like Deng, Noah, Butler or whomever, what's to say that isn't the case here, especially when we're already loaded at PF?

It's a contradiction. People cannot claim we overvalues pieces and then suddenly believe we're in play by offering Taj, Mirotic & McDermott, and potentially more, all for Kevin Love.

If the FO were this hot for Love, they would have moved onto him straight after Anthony signalled his intentions.

We need to look past all these trade checker scenarios that we on this board plug in without considering the real life scenarios that are in play.

I would actually be extremely disappointed in the Bulls if they were to treat Nikola this way. It's extremely unprofessional to up root him from his life overseas, bring him over, sign and parade him about town, then only to ship his ass out 30 days later.

Perhaps i am harsh or overly idealistic in this business side of basketball, and perhaps i believe too much in relationships, but i would be extremely surprised and certainly unimpressed if they do something like this.

[EastBayFJ]

Yeah count me in for the " you can shove Tristian Thompson and Dion Waiters up your arse" club

I wouldn't ship Taj at all , at least in this current ménage a trois .....unless we were dealing for Love , Martin and Dieng and weren't dealing for the scraps

I don't want Martin unless Love comes with

Teams I would consider dealing Taj to ( and where I think he would be a great fit ) would be :

1. Phoenix - with Tony Snell for Eric Bledsoe

2. Sacramento - with Tony Snell + our 2015 pick and the rights to their own pick back we got from the Cavs for Jason Thompson and Nik Stauskas

[EastBayFJ]

So it seems most people are resigned to the fact that the Bulls team we have right now is the Bulls team when the season starts.

Not me Cochise

I reckon we'll get him

[DannyNoonan1221]

Thought about starting a new thread posing this question but decided it should go here.

Had a friend ask me what i thought about this. He prefaced it with "it sounds crazy and you will probably laugh, but hear me out".

Would you trade Noah for Love?

My initial thoughts:

1. Bulls FO image of not being loyal after everything Noah just went through to then turn around and send him to Minnesota- does the damage that does in the future to potential free agents outweigh benefits of having Love?

2. What will it do to team moral? How do the other players react to losing their emotional leader?

His argument:

1. Noah will be 30 this coming February. Love will turn 26 this september.

2. Has Noah already reached is absolute peak due to a perfect situation? (underdog role, no rose, blue collar team)

3. Noah has a history of injuries that we thought he got over this past season but turns out he was only hiding them.

My initial reaction was not a chance. But the more I think about it, the more "stuck in the middle" i am regarding it. If we have a chance to get rid of a 30 year old heart and hustle center who is prone to injuries for a 26 year old Kevin Love, why do we not pull that trigger? I just can't figure out how much of a negative impact it will have on the rest of the guys and future free agents.

Not saying this was offered, or the bulls should offer it- just something i found really interesting and would like to hear what others think.

[Kaled]

So it seems most people are resigned to the fact that the Bulls team we have right now is the Bulls team when the season starts.

Not me Cochise

I reckon we'll get him

Have the same gut feeling as well, had the same feeling about Melo so my gut might be messed up.

[drbg43]

I would not be surprised if there was an offer.

Love eats McDermott for breakfast and defecates Mirotic. The FO knows this.

That may be the case, but if folks are critical of the FO for holding onto guys like Deng, Noah, Butler or whomever, what's to say that isn't the case here, especially when we're already loaded at PF?

It's a contradiction. People cannot claim we overvalues pieces and then suddenly believe we're in play by offering Taj, Mirotic & McDermott, and potentially more, all for Kevin Love.

If the FO were this hot for Love, they would have moved onto him straight after Anthony signalled his intentions.

We need to look past all these trade checker scenarios that we on this board plug in without considering the real life scenarios that are in play.

I would actually be extremely disappointed in the Bulls if they were to treat Nikola this way. It's extremely unprofessional to up root him from his life overseas, bring him over, sign and parade him about town, then only to ship his ass out 30 days later.

Perhaps i am harsh or overly idealistic in this business side of basketball, and perhaps i believe too much in relationships, but i would be extremely surprised and certainly unimpressed if they do something like this.

You're right, I think everyones overlooking how much of a dick move this would be to Nikola.

Is this going to drag on for 30 days?

[RedBulls23]

It's 2pm on a Friday afternoon here for me. I've just scoffed down a massive lunch, too quickly for my body to process it all efficiently.

I'm tired, I'm lethargic and I am not sure how I am going to make it through the remaining hours of my work day.

Why am I allowing myself to get roped into these threads? As if I hadn’t learnt my lesson from the endless Melo threads, like a bruised lover in a loveless relationship, my confidence is low and I know no other way. I don’t know how to take a leap and leave. It’s too much of a risk. No logic will allow me to make a rational decision in these irrational times.

My tolerances levels are rising. My veins are pulsing and my heart rate is intensifying. Sweating, panting & frail, I need a greater fix. I need a pure hit. I need to push my boundaries to get to where I once was. How do I get there?

I need tweets. I need news. I need sources.

Give me your 140 characters so I can shoot up on a senseless high.

Feed me.

Fulfilment, I know nothing of it.

You're the one in the future...you should already know whats going on.

[WinCity]

I would not be surprised if there was an offer.

Love eats McDermott for breakfast and defecates Mirotic. The FO knows this.

That may be the case, but if folks are critical of the FO for holding onto guys like Deng, Noah, Butler or whomever, what's to say that isn't the case here, especially when we're already loaded at PF?.

Actually it makes sense. We are way deep at PF and SF and consolidating that depth into a legit superstar is a good idea. Whether or not that jives with our impression of the FO's love affair with "our guys"...thats another issue

If the FO were this hot for Love, they would have moved onto him straight after Anthony signalled his intentions.

Correct me if I am wrong but jus thinking over the timeline its looks like thats exactly what happened. The reports were delayed a few days after the Melo drama but that doesnt mean the talks didnt start up sooner than reports came out.

I would actually be extremely disappointed in the Bulls if they were to treat Nikola this way. It's extremely unprofessional to up root him from his life overseas, bring him over, sign and parade him about town, then only to ship his ass out 30 days later.

Well you have to remember that he is being paid over 15 mil and being traded is a part of life in pro sports. Wiggins is going through it right now as well. They arent the first and wont be the last.

Perhaps i am harsh or overly idealistic in this business side of basketball, and perhaps i believe too much in relationships, but i would be extremely surprised and certainly unimpressed if they do something like this

I for one would be extremely impressed if they manage to acquire Love, lord knows the Bulls have bee trying to acquire a star via trade or FA since circa '99, and if they actually manage to pull it off

[Cowbulls]

I am totally in the wrong here, and I fully expect for you to all leave a negative response to this.....saying that, here I go.

I am so, so, so, so glad I don't give a **** about getting Love. I am glad I don't have to read every message in this thread, and I'm glad I don't care what happens with him. If we get him....awesome! If we don't get him.....don't care. Saying that, Melo broke my heart weeks ago. I am a shell of myself. Time heals everything, but I just don't believe in Love anymore.

All of you young, naive, clueless chaps who still have a heart to Love....go get em. This thread needs you, I'm old, and tired. To weak to tap my finger on my iPad Air. Only thing I have left are the non superstar threads. Good luck to all.

*hic