Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[MrFortune3]

Mirotic bought out his contract with Real Madrid of the Spanish League only after the Bulls committed to keeping him in Chicago, according to a source familiar with negotiations. It's one thing to trade a savvy NBA veteran like Gibson after reassuring him to "buy, not lease,'' as general manager Gar Forman has advised, but another to mislead a 23-year-old rookie who uprooted his wife and young son to cross an ocean and become a Bull.

Smart business move or not, dealing Mirotic after earning his trust over three years would be contrary to everything Reinsdorf wants his organizations to represent and a departure from how the Bulls typically operate. It would be bold but borderline betrayal. It might lead to more victories but overall result in the loss of respect, and the Bulls traditionally care about both.

Perhaps that explains why, as of Thursday, Mirotic and his representatives remained under the impression the 6-foot-10 forward was not part of any "significant offer'' the Bulls made for Love.

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I sense nothing's really going on for us in this thing.

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[kingkirk]

You're the one in the future...you should already know whats going on.

I am from the future. I come in peace, and with a message. Say goodbye to your family and friends. Don't bring any toiletries, they won't be required.

The next 30 days are going to be McDirty with no Love.

[kingkirk]

Actually it makes sense. We are way deep at PF and SF and consolidating that depth into a legit superstar is a good idea. Whether or not that jives with our impression of the FO's love affair with "our guys"...thats another issue

In thread 4, I made a post about how I love Love, and how he is the perfect fit next to Derrick Rose outside of Kevin Durant.

It makes complete sense to consolidate from a pure roster perspective, as if we’re playing 2K15 or working on some theories via a spreadsheet. It all makes sense, but that’s not what I am discussing.

If our FO do have love affair with players, why would people be confident in these reports? I don’t understand how anyone could come to the conclusion that they would suddenly put that on hold for Love. For me, it’s almost mutually exclusive.

Correct me if I am wrong but jus thinking over the timeline its looks like thats exactly what happened. The reports were delayed a few days after the Melo drama but that doesnt mean the talks didnt start up sooner than reports came out.

But why sign Mirotic & Gasol if your ‘Plan B’ was Love all along? Why incorporate McDermott and Mirotic into the franchise like we have and have press conferences with these guys when we’re about to ship their ass out?

Why not offer them up for trade days after they have signed, and not 2 weeks ago?

How have things been ongoing since Melo ended? Has the signing of McDermott and Mirotic and the proceeding parading them around Chitown all been but a bluff?

Well you have to remember that he is being paid over 15 mil and being traded is a part of life in pro sports. Wiggins is going through it right now as well. They arent the first and wont be the last.

I understand that. He just made 16m over 3 years, more than I will ever see in my life time so I shouldn’t have any emotional attachments to a guy who has yet to score a bucket for my Bulls, but I can’t help but feel it would be extremely unprofessional to give the guy a commitment that he would remain here, and use that as a negotiation tactic to get him and his family over into a foreign land, only to kick him out and move him all days later.

For me, it’s different than making your standard trade. It’s dirty imo.

Trade his rights, I don’t care, but don’t make promises to keep him around, only to deal him later on. That sends a bad message around the league and I’d like to think this organisation treats its people better than that.

I for one would be extremely impressed if they manage to acquire Love, lord knows the Bulls have bee trying to acquire a star via trade or FA since circa '99, and if they actually manage to pull it off

I would be concerned with Flip’s mental health for taking our offer instead of Cleveland’s, but I digress.

Basically, I have no issues with acquiring Love the player at all. He fits beautifully here, but it just doesn’t seem like a Bulls move to trade Taj, McDermott & Mirotic for him.

If the organisation is criticized for being overly loyal, then this offer seems suss to me, even if adding Love and consolidating our front court ‘makes sense’.

[jc23]

doesnt Mirotic get more money with his trade kicker if we trade him? i think a couple extra mil in his pocket will ease his worries about minny.

[holv03]

McDermott and Mirotic are two players that are going to be here for a while maybe for their whole careers. These guys are not going to get traded. I think their is more to the T-Wolves and Bulls rumors and it doesn't involve Kevin Love becoming a Bull. I think the Bulls are trying to acquire more depth and maybe a legit two guard in Kevin Martin. I could see the Bulls parting ways with Gibson but I just don't see Mirotic or McDermott leaving Chicago.

[holv03]

doesnt Mirotic get more money with his trade kicker if we trade him? i think a couple extra mil in his pocket will ease his worries about minny.

Mirotic is not going anywhere.

[WinCity]

In thread 4, I made a post about how I love Love, and how he is the perfect fit next to Derrick Rose outside of Kevin Durant.

It makes complete sense to consolidate from a pure roster perspective, as if we’re playing 2K15 or working on some theories via a spreadsheet. It all makes sense, but that’s not what I am discussing.

If our FO do have love affair with players, why would people be confident in these reports? I don’t understand how anyone could come to the conclusion that they would suddenly put that on hold for Love. For me, it’s almost mutually exclusive.

Agreed it snot consistent but we have Sheridan, who nailed the James to CLE story when everyone else was like and Ralph confirmed the Bulls made the offer so...I got to take that at face value dude.

But why sign Mirotic & Gasol if your ‘Plan B’ was Love all along? Why incorporate McDermott and Mirotic into the franchise like we have and have press conferences with these guys when we’re about to ship their ass out?

Why not offer them up for trade days after they have signed, and not 2 weeks ago?

How have things been ongoing since Melo ended? Has the signing of McDermott and Mirotic and the proceeding parading them around Chitown all been but a bluff?

Most likely explanation is the Bulls are assuming they dont have a good chance of landing Love so dont want to leave these guys hanging around and damage the long term relationship they could have with the org. If the deals does go down well...welcome to the pros guys

I understand that. He just made 16m over 3 years, more than I will ever see in my life time so I shouldn’t have any emotional attachments to a guy who has yet to score a bucket for my Bulls, but I can’t help but feel it would be extremely unprofessional to give the guy a commitment that he would remain here, and use that as a negotiation tactic to get him and his family over into a foreign land, only to kick him out and move him all days later.

For me, it’s different than making your standard trade. It’s dirty imo.

Trade his rights, I don’t care, but don’t make promises to keep him around, only to deal him later on. That sends a bad message around the league and I’d like to think this organisation treats its people better than that.

Its a little cut throat but again, he does not have a no trade clause and being traded is part of the deal. The Bulls have always played nice and it never got them anywhere in terms of star player acquisition. If getting a little dirty is what makes it go down I can live with it.

I would be concerned with Flip’s mental health for taking our offer instead of Cleveland’s, but I digress.

Basically, I have no issues with acquiring Love the player at all. He fits beautifully here, but it just doesn’t seem like a Bulls move to trade Taj, McDermott & Mirotic for him.

If the organisation is criticized for being overly loyal, then this offer seems suss to me, even if adding Love and consolidating our front court ‘makes sense’

Like I mentioned last post, we have been trying since '99 to get a star in here via trade/FA. If the FO decided to get a little Machiavellian at this point I think I can live with that. Hell, if we didn't completely stumble into Rose with only a 1.7 % chance mind you, we would be in a complete dry spell in terms of star power for 16 fracking years! Think about that. Even then our luck only last 3 seasons before the poor SOB got smote by the injury gods!

So excuse me if I am not shedding a tear for Mirotic and McD. They will still have millions when its all said and done and I deserve some joy after 16 years of waiting for a star to come here so we can have a good title shot!

[Chi town]

I want a two-way trade:

Chicago and Minnesota.

I would rather do the three team deal and get a more balanced team with depth at every single position. If we could get Thompson, Martin and Waiters for just Gibson and Dunleavy I would do it in a heartbeat.

C: Noah, Gasol, Bairstow
PF: Gasol, Thompson, Mirotic
SF: Butler, McDermott, Mirotic
SG: Martin, Waiters, Snell
PG: Rose, Hinrich, Brooks

That to me looks like a well balanced team that would not only be the favorites in the east but the favorites to win it all. That team to me looks scary because our second unit would destroy every other teams second unit anytime.

I'm all about depleting the Cavs but the only way I ship Gibson and Dun Dun is if the Cavs send the Twolves Thompson and we get Dieng.

I really wish we would use Taj to get a ball-creating smart IQ player if we are trading him such as Burks and some backup big such as Jeremy Evans or Taj/Snell/picks for Dragic and one of the Morris twins. Just me on that I guess. Taj is only one year older than Dragic and if the Suns have serious thoughts about signing Bledsoe, I can't see them committing major money to Thomas, Dragic, and Bledsoe. Gibson is a freak athlete that pairs well with Gerald Green, Bledsoe, and Alex Len.

I want Dieng over TT.

I'm all over Taj and Snell for Dragic and a backup C.

[Shill]

It's 2pm on a Friday afternoon here for me. I've just scoffed down a massive lunch, too quickly for my body to process it all efficiently.

I'm tired, I'm lethargic and I am not sure how I am going to make it through the remaining hours of my work day.

Why am I allowing myself to get roped into these threads? As if I hadn’t learnt my lesson from the endless Melo threads, like a bruised lover in a loveless relationship, my confidence is low and I know no other way. I don’t know how to take a leap and leave. It’s too much of a risk. No logic will allow me to make a rational decision in these irrational times.

My tolerances levels are rising. My veins are pulsing and my heart rate is intensifying. Sweating, panting & frail, I need a greater fix. I need a pure hit. I need to push my boundaries to get to where I once was. How do I get there?

I need tweets. I need news. I need sources.

Give me your 140 characters so I can shoot up on a senseless high.

Feed me.

Fulfilment, I know nothing of it.

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[kingkirk]

Agreed it snot consistent but we have Sheridan, who nailed the James to CLE story when everyone else was like and Ralph confirmed the Bulls made the offer so...I got to take that at face value dude.

I am not arrogant enough to suggest that Sheridan, Ralph or anyone else is completely wrong purely because I don’t have any inside information and only using what I know about our franchise and working with probabilities, but I don’t trust this rumour.

I may be wrong, and often am, but it doesn’t sit with me well. Maybe I don’t want to believe? Maybe I am too much of a cynic and need to fill my glass half full, but I don’t know...

Most likely explanation is the Bulls are assuming they dont have a good chance of landing Love so dont want to leave these guys hanging around and damage the long term relationship they could have with the org. If the deals does go down well...welcome to the pros guys

If the Bulls thought they didn’t have a good chance at landing them, why offer them at all?

If they don’t want to hurt long term relationships and don’t want this lingering around with the guys, why sign them up meaning a trade can’t happen for at least 30 days? Why keep yourself open for innuendo and speculation if you the Bulls themselves think it’s a long shot?

Its a little cut throat but again, he does not have a no trade clause and being traded is part of the deal. The Bulls have always played nice and it never got them anywhere in terms of star player acquisition. If getting a little dirty is what makes it go down I can live with it.

I prefer my Chicago Bulls to be sensual and caring lovers. Barry White, wine, chocolates and Tom Hanks movies. None of this no lube action and a ‘I got mine, go get your own’ type attitude.

Where is the Love?

Pun certainly, and obviously, intended.

Like I mentioned last post, we have been trying since '99 to get a star in here via trade/FA. If the FO decided to get a little Machiavellian at this point I think I can live with that. Hell, if we didn't completely stumble into Rose with only a 1.7 % chance mind you, we would be in a complete dry spell in terms of star power for 16 fracking years! Think about that. Even then our luck only last 3 seasons before the poor SOB got smote by the injury gods!

So excuse me if I am not shedding a tear for Mirotic and McD. They will still have millions when its all said and done and I deserve some joy after 16 years of waiting for a star to come here so we can have a good title shot!

Not excused you smug, arrogant and entitled brat.

[Shill]

I prefer my Chicago Bulls to be sensual and caring lovers. Barry White, wine, chocolates and Tom Hanks movies. None of this no lube action and a ‘I got mine, go get your own’ type attitude.

Now THAT is funny.


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[kingkirk]

This guy gets me, even if Win doesn't.

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[LaRue]

Tempers are flaring. The board is split. It's true, Love will tear us apart.

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[WinCity]

I am not arrogant enough to suggest that Sheridan, Ralph or anyone else is completely wrong purely because I don’t have any inside information and only using what I know about our franchise and working with probabilities, but I don’t trust this rumour.

I may be wrong, and often am, but it doesn’t sit with me well. Maybe I don’t want to believe? Maybe I am too much of a cynic and need to fill my glass half full, but I don’t know...

You have had your heart broken too many times. We understand. You need a hug? Come closer and feel the Love

If the Bulls thought they didn’t have a good chance at landing them, why offer them at all?

If they don’t want to hurt long term relationships and don’t want this lingering around with the guys, why sign them up meaning a trade can’t happen for at least 30 days? Why keep yourself open for innuendo and speculation if you the Bulls themselves think it’s a long shot?

Because elite stars only become available once every few years. We always take our shot, and we have always struck out (Duncan, McGrady, Kobe, Garnett, Pau, Wade, James, Bosh). Thats the Chicago way!

I prefer my Chicago Bulls to be sensual and caring lovers. Barry White, wine, chocolates and Tom Hanks movies. None of this no lube action and a ‘I got mine, go get your own’ type attitude.

Where is the Love?

Pun certainly, and obviously, intended.

No more romance. Time for some life long inmate mentality to take over! The Wolves dropped their soap in the communal shower, and GarPax intend to take advantage!

Not excused you smug, arrogant and entitled brat.

I know...6 just wasnt enough for me

[Shill]

Tempers are flaring. The board is split. It's true, Love will tear us apart.

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Again.


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[p_s]

Thought about starting a new thread posing this question but decided it should go here.

Had a friend ask me what i thought about this. He prefaced it with "it sounds crazy and you will probably laugh, but hear me out".

Would you trade Noah for Love?

My initial thoughts:

1. Bulls FO image of not being loyal after everything Noah just went through to then turn around and send him to Minnesota- does the damage that does in the future to potential free agents outweigh benefits of having Love?

2. What will it do to team moral? How do the other players react to losing their emotional leader?

His argument:

1. Noah will be 30 this coming February. Love will turn 26 this september.

2. Has Noah already reached is absolute peak due to a perfect situation? (underdog role, no rose, blue collar team)

3. Noah has a history of injuries that we thought he got over this past season but turns out he was only hiding them.

My initial reaction was not a chance. But the more I think about it, the more "stuck in the middle" i am regarding it. If we have a chance to get rid of a 30 year old heart and hustle center who is prone to injuries for a 26 year old Kevin Love, why do we not pull that trigger? I just can't figure out how much of a negative impact it will have on the rest of the guys and future free agents.

Not saying this was offered, or the bulls should offer it- just something i found really interesting and would like to hear what others think.

I would trade Noah for Love straight-up. I would also be willing to add draft picks to sweeten the deal. I do not know if I would trade another player with Noah to get him.

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[kingkirk]

Good tune and my contribution of songs with love aptly noted in their title.

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[samwana]

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I don't think it is anymore than this actually.

[Swarles Xavier]

According to Marc Stein's Article

League rules do not prevent the Cavs or Bulls from striking an agreement in principle with Minnesota on a Love trade involving one of their freshly signed rookies during the teams' respective 30-day waiting periods. But league rules do forbid any public announcement or confirmation of such verbal agreements until the 30 days pass.

Looks like there's no point in checking this thread every now and then like in the Melo one. Gotta wait it out.

[Polynice4Pippen]

According to Marc Stein's Article

League rules do not prevent the Cavs or Bulls from striking an agreement in principle with Minnesota on a Love trade involving one of their freshly signed rookies during the teams' respective 30-day waiting periods. But league rules do forbid any public announcement or confirmation of such verbal agreements until the 30 days pass.

Looks like there's no point in checking this thread every now and then like in the Melo one. Gotta wait it out.

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