Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[johnnyvann840]

Interesting article on ESPN insider, obviously can't post here, states that a Bulls package of Taj, Butler, MDJ, and a future pick would guarantee the Wolves a higher future WARP than any of the other packages out there right now for Love. According to the article Wiggins college stats do not project well to the pros. So if a team is taking him they will be betting on his potential.

The article states that the Gibson, Mirotic, and McDermott rumor has been unconfirmed. Which is why they chose this package. I'll tell you right now I would trade Taj, Butler, MDJ and 3 first for Love. We would still have an incredible amount of depth at that point and be built for future success.

Bill Simmons, who has been wrong a lot lately, says that there has been a deal already in place for Love to Cleveland and it's just a matter of getting that 3rd team to help. That is the only place the Bulls fit in now and I don't even see that happening.

And once again it's really not Minnesota's choice.. Unless a team is willing to give up anything real without a guarantee from Love that he stays, or at least opts in for next season. Believe me, the Bulls are not making any deal without knowing Love will be here for a while. All Kevin Love has to do is say where he wants to go and it will get done. If he doesn't make his wishes known, instead he's just Fing it up right now for the team he will wind up on.

[sco]

I am for any deal that leaves the Bulls with Rose, McDoug, Love, Noah. That is a core with championship potential. Taj and Jimmy are great complementary pieces, but I think they are more replaceable than people may thing, and Jimmy will look to be overpaid next year. Mirotic has a ton of potential, but the chances he is anywhere as good as Love are low, and to do a deal for Love, I think we need to include one of Doug or Mirotic, but Mirotic is redundant with Love. I get the loyalty angle for the FO, but we drafted Mirotic, he wasn't a recruited FA, IMO that is the difference.

If we don't do a deal for Love, the one guy that I would love (pun intended) to get from Minny for Taj is Dieng. I wanted him last year, and want him ever more now. It would be nice to get a legit SG too.

[johnnyvann840]

If we don't do a deal for Love, the one guy that I would love (pun intended) to get from Minny for Taj is Dieng. I wanted him last year, and want him ever more now. It would be nice to get a legit SG too.

Dieng is the only player in any of these talks (other than Love) that interests me. It cannot be just Dieng and I cannot say enough how much I do not want Kevin Martin (or Waiters). Thing is Dieng has potential to be a Taj type of player. But, that is what Dieng is... a player who hopes to someday be as good as Taj is as a two way player.

[Ctownbulls]

If we don't do a deal for Love, the one guy that I would love (pun intended) to get from Minny for Taj is Dieng. I wanted him last year, and want him ever more now. It would be nice to get a legit SG too.

Dieng is the only player in any of these talks (other than Love) that interests me. It cannot be just Dieng and I cannot say enough how much I do not want Kevin Martin (or Waiters). Thing is Dieng has potential to be a Taj type of player. But, that is what Dieng is... a player who hopes to someday be as good as Taj is as a two way player.

Minny prob wouldn't trade Dieng for Taj

[Ice the knees]

This guy gets me, even if Win doesn't.

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I've alluded to this before, but it's just something that with a little thought people should be able to understand. Yes, basketball is a business and all of that, but it involves human beings - this isn't just some basketball computer game. There is loyalty and commitments in all forms of businesses, not only sports but also integrity. It's a good thing, people, it's not just some mushy stuff that people should just easily disregard because as fans we want our team to win. This is real life, involving real people with families.

That said though, I can't see how the team and Mirotic and his people can't sit down and resolve the situation where it would involve him being traded. There is heartless trades all the time, but then you also make the tricky situations work by being sensitive and respectable to the situation and making it work.

I think your last paragraph sums it up. I mean, if Mirotic can't understand what is going on, this league might not be for him anyway. If the Bulls org communicates the situation to Mirotic properly, there shouldn't be any issue sending him packing.

In business it's very important to maintain relationships and the integrity of those relationships, and more often than not, success will come with that. However, if there is an opportunity for your business that comes around once every 5 years or so and you have the ability to make it happen, you have to let your guy go.

I have no doubt Bulls would trade Mirotic

[Ice the knees]

McDermott and Mirotic are two players that are going to be here for a while maybe for their whole careers. These guys are not going to get traded. I think their is more to the T-Wolves and Bulls rumors and it doesn't involve Kevin Love becoming a Bull. I think the Bulls are trying to acquire more depth and maybe a legit two guard in Kevin Martin. I could see the Bulls parting ways with Gibson but I just don't see Mirotic or McDermott leaving Chicago.

I agree, which what Ralph said.

Ralph also said the Bulls really did offer Mirotic, Doug, and Taj when the Cavs balked at the Bulls being involved in the trade.

[johnnyvann840]

If we don't do a deal for Love, the one guy that I would love (pun intended) to get from Minny for Taj is Dieng. I wanted him last year, and want him ever more now. It would be nice to get a legit SG too.

Dieng is the only player in any of these talks (other than Love) that interests me. It cannot be just Dieng and I cannot say enough how much I do not want Kevin Martin (or Waiters). Thing is Dieng has potential to be a Taj type of player. But, that is what Dieng is... a player who hopes to someday be as good as Taj is as a two way player.

Minny prob wouldn't trade Dieng for Taj

they would in a heartbeat. they covet Taj and are asking for him in the Love deal to replace Love.

And the age thing is BS.. Taj has 4-5 years of quality left and how many non superstar players even stay on the same team for longer than that anyway? The reality is that Taj's age isn't an issue for any team with title hopes in the next half decade. Hell, he probably still has upside, contrary to popular belief.

[Ctownbulls]

Dieng is the only player in any of these talks (other than Love) that interests me. It cannot be just Dieng and I cannot say enough how much I do not want Kevin Martin (or Waiters). Thing is Dieng has potential to be a Taj type of player. But, that is what Dieng is... a player who hopes to someday be as good as Taj is as a two way player.

Minny prob wouldn't trade Dieng for Taj

they would in a heartbeat. they covet Taj and are asking for him in the Love deal to replace Love.

And the age thing is BS.. Taj has 4-5 years of quality left and how many non superstar players even stay on the same team for longer than that anyway? The reality is that Taj's age isn't an issue for any team with title hopes in the next half decade. Hell, he probably still has upside, contrary to popular belief.

They are asking for Taj because he is the only legit big man who Bulls will give up.

[BullsFTW]

McDermott and Mirotic are two players that are going to be here for a while maybe for their whole careers. These guys are not going to get traded. I think their is more to the T-Wolves and Bulls rumors and it doesn't involve Kevin Love becoming a Bull. I think the Bulls are trying to acquire more depth and maybe a legit two guard in Kevin Martin. I could see the Bulls parting ways with Gibson but I just don't see Mirotic or McDermott leaving Chicago.

I agree, which what Ralph said.

Ralph also said the Bulls really did offer Mirotic, Doug, and Taj when the Cavs balked at the Bulls being involved in the trade.

Wouldn't mind with either trade, although I prefer the Bulls getting involved as the third team.

[Proven_Winner]

Minny prob wouldn't trade Dieng for Taj

they would in a heartbeat. they covet Taj and are asking for him in the Love deal to replace Love.

And the age thing is BS.. Taj has 4-5 years of quality left and how many non superstar players even stay on the same team for longer than that anyway? The reality is that Taj's age isn't an issue for any team with title hopes in the next half decade. Hell, he probably still has upside, contrary to popular belief.

They are asking for Taj because he is the only legit big man who Bulls will give up.

Or because he's really good. If anything Bulls wouldn't trade Taj just for Dieng.

[Ice the knees]

I agree, which what Ralph said.

Ralph also said the Bulls really did offer Mirotic, Doug, and Taj when the Cavs balked at the Bulls being involved in the trade.

Wouldn't mind with either trade, although I prefer the Bulls getting involved as the third team.

The thing about the Ralph rumor that bugs me is that he said it would make the Bulls "WAY" better. I happened to stay up a little late the night Ralph started posting about what he heard...

To me, Waiters/Thompson/Martin doesn't make the Bulls way better in a true basketball way...It provides a more balanced team which will probably help during the 82 game season but I just don't think it's a gigantic talent upgrade.

But I'm with you, I like both trades, it's just that I'm not sure we all even have the rumored deal right...(based on Ralph's rumor)

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Sorry for the superfluous Love thread. When I saw the other one on page 99 still open, I should have assumed there was a new 7 page thread already....

[BullsFTW]

Minny prob wouldn't trade Dieng for Taj

they would in a heartbeat. they covet Taj and are asking for him in the Love deal to replace Love.

And the age thing is BS.. Taj has 4-5 years of quality left and how many non superstar players even stay on the same team for longer than that anyway? The reality is that Taj's age isn't an issue for any team with title hopes in the next half decade. Hell, he probably still has upside, contrary to popular belief.

They are asking for Taj because he is the only legit big man who Bulls will give up.

I would consider a Taj for Martin & Dieng swap to be honest.

[johnnyvann840]

They are asking for Taj because he is the only legit big man who Bulls will give up.

What? They don't need the Bulls. The Bulls are only in talks about the three way because they asked specifically for Taj. According to Ralph, the only reason the Bulls are in the talks is becsaue Minny doesn;t want Waiters or Thompson or Bennett.... they want Taj Gibson. they could bring any team in to help facilitate the deal.

[johnnyvann840]

Sorry for the superfluous Love thread. When I saw the other one on page 99 still open, I should have assumed there was a new 7 page thread already....

Now, go back to swimmin in your bottle

[Ctownbulls]

they would in a heartbeat. they covet Taj and are asking for him in the Love deal to replace Love.

And the age thing is BS.. Taj has 4-5 years of quality left and how many non superstar players even stay on the same team for longer than that anyway? The reality is that Taj's age isn't an issue for any team with title hopes in the next half decade. Hell, he probably still has upside, contrary to popular belief.

They are asking for Taj because he is the only legit big man who Bulls will give up.

Or because he's really good. If anything Bulls wouldn't trade Taj just for Dieng.

I didn't say bulls would trade Taj for dieng

[BullsFTW]

Ralph also said the Bulls really did offer Mirotic, Doug, and Taj when the Cavs balked at the Bulls being involved in the trade.

Wouldn't mind with either trade, although I prefer the Bulls getting involved as the third team.

The thing about the Ralph rumor that bugs me is that he said it would make the Bulls "WAY" better. I happened to stay up a little late the night Ralph started posting about what he heard...

To me, Waiters/Thompson/Martin doesn't make the Bulls way better in a true basketball way...It provides a more balanced team which will probably help during the 82 game season but I just don't think it's a gigantic talent upgrade.

But I'm with you, I like both trades, it's just that I'm not sure we all even have the rumored deal right...(based on Ralph's rumor)

It is a talent upgrade. But I'm a believer that Thibs can make Thompson, and especially Waiters into better players.

[Proven_Winner]

They are asking for Taj because he is the only legit big man who Bulls will give up.

Or because he's really good. If anything Bulls wouldn't trade Taj just for Dieng.

I didn't say bulls would trade Taj for dieng

You said minny probably wouldn't trade Dieng for Taj.

[Proven_Winner]

Wouldn't mind with either trade, although I prefer the Bulls getting involved as the third team.

The thing about the Ralph rumor that bugs me is that he said it would make the Bulls "WAY" better. I happened to stay up a little late the night Ralph started posting about what he heard...

To me, Waiters/Thompson/Martin doesn't make the Bulls way better in a true basketball way...It provides a more balanced team which will probably help during the 82 game season but I just don't think it's a gigantic talent upgrade.

But I'm with you, I like both trades, it's just that I'm not sure we all even have the rumored deal right...(based on Ralph's rumor)

It is a talent upgrade. But I'm a believer that Thibs can make Thompson, and especially Waiters into better players.

But isn't Thompson and waiters up for a extension?

[jmajew]

Just so I understand. Taj for Martin and Dieng would not be a good deal for the Bulls? I can't help but think that would make us much more well rounded and still give us a bright future with young players like Butler, Snell, McDermott, Mirotic, and Dieng.

Rose/Hinrich/Brooks
Martin/Snell/
Butler/McDermott/Dunleavy
Gasol/Mirotic
Noah/Dieng