Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[BullsFTW]

The thing about the Ralph rumor that bugs me is that he said it would make the Bulls "WAY" better. I happened to stay up a little late the night Ralph started posting about what he heard...

To me, Waiters/Thompson/Martin doesn't make the Bulls way better in a true basketball way...It provides a more balanced team which will probably help during the 82 game season but I just don't think it's a gigantic talent upgrade.

But I'm with you, I like both trades, it's just that I'm not sure we all even have the rumored deal right...(based on Ralph's rumor)

It is a talent upgrade. But I'm a believer that Thibs can make Thompson, and especially Waiters into better players.

But isn't Thompson and waiters up for a extension?

Thompson is, but Waiters has a team option for 2015-2016.

This is why I like Dieng over Thompson. He fills in for Taj's defense and has a bargain contract.

[Ice the knees]

Wouldn't mind with either trade, although I prefer the Bulls getting involved as the third team.

The thing about the Ralph rumor that bugs me is that he said it would make the Bulls "WAY" better. I happened to stay up a little late the night Ralph started posting about what he heard...

To me, Waiters/Thompson/Martin doesn't make the Bulls way better in a true basketball way...It provides a more balanced team which will probably help during the 82 game season but I just don't think it's a gigantic talent upgrade.

But I'm with you, I like both trades, it's just that I'm not sure we all even have the rumored deal right...(based on Ralph's rumor)

It is a talent upgrade. But I'm a believer that Thibs can make Thompson, and especially Waiters into better players.

I guess I should clarify, yes it is a talent upgrade, but I don't think it's an upgrade over the potential of having Rose/Butler/Love/Noah.

If you're asking me what trade excites me more for the next 5 years that's the Love trade. But I could see the Taj for Martin/Waiters/Thompson working out mostly because Taj is no longer needed.

Also, not that it's a huge deal at all, I think that trade might take a little of the shine away from Doug...Granted I probably have higher hopes for Doug than most but I want him to get playing time. I'm just not sure "super depth" is something that puts the Bulls over the top...Though they probably moonwalk out of the East this year with either deal

[bullsareback]

I personally would not go beyond Taj (vet), Mirotic (potential) and one or two first round picks for Love.

This "Love" song fits the situation pretty well.

"One Of A Kind (Love Affair)"
The Spinners

One of a kind love affair is
The kind of love
That you read about
In a fairy tale
Like the sun that shines
On a rainy day
It's a cloud of love

One of a kind love affair is
When your down is up
When your up is down
But love stays around
And when you know you're right
But you got to make
A little sacrifice
You make it for love
Whoa, yeah

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzkZWRW1vAQ[/youtube]

[D_GoLow]

Love so pure, so true, so sweet....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJDdBbgJafU[/youtube]

I keep this on the loop.

[blumeany]

Next thread title if we get that far: [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpYeekQkAdc[/youtube]

[waffle]

so here's what is being suggested

- Love wants to go to Clev. Has expressed his desire
- Minny doesn't really desire what Clev. has to offer so they need a 3rd team
- Minny DOES want Taj.
- This implies either 1) The bulls don't want Love or 2) Love doesn't want the bulls or Minny would just deal w/ the bulls
- The Bulls, understandably, are probably trying to drag Clev. across the coals proper because,well it's Cleveland, they already have LBJ, are in our division and in the East.

Do I have that right?

[Ctownbulls]

Or because he's really good. If anything Bulls wouldn't trade Taj just for Dieng.

I didn't say bulls would trade Taj for dieng

You said minny probably wouldn't trade Dieng for Taj.

Ya. They prob wouldn't. And the Bulls wouldn't trade Taj for Dieng. My real point here is that people are acting as if Dieng would just be some sort of throw in to give the Bulls more value. The guy is untouchable in the Love talks.

[johnnyvann840]

so here's what is being suggested

- Love wants to go to Clev. Has expressed his desire
- Minny doesn't really desire what Clev. has to offer so they need a 3rd team
- Minny DOES want Taj.
- This implies either 1) The bulls don't want Love or 2) Love doesn't want the bulls or Minny would just deal w/ the bulls
- The Bulls, understandably, are probably trying to drag Clev. across the coals proper because,well it's Cleveland, they already have LBJ, are in our division and in the East.

Do I have that right?

Yup

[waffle]

that makes more sense to me than the proposed trade of taj, mcd and Niko for love. That one didn't pass the finger test.

[donaldtrump_00]

So it seems most people are resigned to the fact that the Bulls team we have right now is the Bulls team when the season starts.

its to early to make a trade but this is all over making the cavs add more players to the love deal. its very smart on chi. they prob would do the trade if they had to but I bet its only to scare the cavs into adding on players on top of wiggins and Bennett. if golden state gets love I surely will be much happier. and we need to see mirotic and McDermott on the court for a series of games before we ship them out. the worst thing that could happen is both of them turn into allstars and we let two go for one along with taj and future picks. remember the jalen rose trade when artest and brad miller both panned out and we lost a serviceable player in ron mercer also just to see jalen leave a year in a half later

[D_GoLow]

The funny thing is I thought the Bulls should've draft Dieng over Tony Snell.

[blumeany]

Is it crazy to suggest Wiggins and maybe Thompson to the Bulls, Taj, MDJ, and one of Snell or McBuckets to the Wolves and Love to the Cavs? (with obviously some other picks and fillers involved?

Wiggins would fill a void at SF for us and give us a potential starter. His floor, I think, is potentially lower than McBuckets but his ceiling is definitely higher. Bulls could then start Gasol at PF and have a guy like Thompson as a rotation guy for a year at least. Gasol could groom Mirotic for the role.

All really depends on how much Cleveland wants Love.

[Zane]

I would not be surprised if there was an offer.

Love eats McDermott for breakfast and defecates Mirotic. The FO knows this.

That may be the case, but if folks are critical of the FO for holding onto guys like Deng, Noah, Butler or whomever, what's to say that isn't the case here, especially when we're already loaded at PF?

It's a contradiction. People cannot claim we overvalues pieces and then suddenly believe we're in play by offering Taj, Mirotic & McDermott, and potentially more, all for Kevin Love.

If the FO were this hot for Love, they would have moved onto him straight after Anthony signalled his intentions.

We need to look past all these trade checker scenarios that we on this board plug in without considering the real life scenarios that are in play.

I would actually be extremely disappointed in the Bulls if they were to treat Nikola this way. It's extremely unprofessional to up root him from his life overseas, bring him over, sign and parade him about town, then only to ship his ass out 30 days later.

Perhaps i am harsh or overly idealistic in this business side of basketball, and perhaps i believe too much in relationships, but i would be extremely surprised and certainly unimpressed if they do something like this.

You're right, I think everyones overlooking how much of a dick move this would be to Nikola.

Is this going to drag on for 30 days?

Maybe they talked to Nikola and asked if he would be willing to be traded to play with Rubio? I don't know, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

[DanTown8587]

Couple of small points

1. The three way deal were the Bulls get Martin/Thompson/Waiters isn't so much about the guys that the Bulls get but also the guys the Bulls keep. Let's be fair and assume Love/Martin costs Mirotic, McDermott, Gibson,and Dunleavy.

Team A
Rose/Hinrich
Martin/Snell
Butler
Love/Gasol
Noah/Gasol

Team B
Rose/Hinrich
Martin/Waiters
Butler/McDermott
Gasol/Mirotic/Thompson
Noah/Gasol

Team A is a better playoff team if healthy but that team is relying on numerous guys (Martin, Noah, Gasol, Love) to be healthy for a large portion of the year and be healthy in the playoffs. Team B is a step down (Love to Gasol/Mirotic) in it's "best five" but it has a lot of potential to be a very good lineup in one-two years depending on how good McDermott and Mirotic are. Of course neither guy IS Love but if they're 80% of Love (so 14-18 points per game with average rebounding), that five would be dangerous to close out games because you'd have four scorers (Rose, Mirotic, McDermott, Martin) who could attack defenses.

I'm not really sure that gutting the team for Love is better than swapping assets (i.e a backup PF and one year SF for a starting SG and two reserves). I wouldn't be upset with either deal though.

And can we PLEASE stop suggesting that the Bulls get back Dieng over Thompson? Dieng has three years of team control at the C position for a very cheap dollar amount, he's not going to be traded here. Wiggins nor Dieng will be Bulls.

[waffle]

If the bulls are going to participate in this little Menage a trois they are going to insist on getting overpaid. And I could see just that happening.

I guess the wild card would be another team replacing us as the facilitator. They must REALLY love Taj to want to play patty cake with us.

[DanTown8587]

Is it crazy to suggest Wiggins and maybe Thompson to the Bulls, Taj, MDJ, and one of Snell or McBuckets to the Wolves and Love to the Cavs? (with obviously some other picks and fillers involved?

Wiggins would fill a void at SF for us and give us a potential starter. His floor, I think, is potentially lower than McBuckets but his ceiling is definitely higher. Bulls could then start Gasol at PF and have a guy like Thompson as a rotation guy for a year at least. Gasol could groom Mirotic for the role.

All really depends on how much Cleveland wants Love.

Why would Minnesota not want Wiggins for themselves and take McDermott instead?

[Michael Jackson]

Couple of small points

1. The three way deal were the Bulls get Martin/Thompson/Waiters isn't so much about the guys that the Bulls get but also the guys the Bulls keep. Let's be fair and assume Love/Martin costs Mirotic, McDermott, Gibson,and Dunleavy.

Team A
Rose/Hinrich
Martin/Snell
Butler
Love/Gasol
Noah/Gasol

Team B
Rose/Hinrich
Martin/Waiters
Butler/McDermott
Gasol/Mirotic/Thompson
Noah/Gasol

Team A is a better playoff team if healthy but that team is relying on numerous guys (Martin, Noah, Gasol, Love) to be healthy for a large portion of the year and be healthy in the playoffs. Team B is a step down (Love to Gasol/Mirotic) in it's "best five" but it has a lot of potential to be a very good lineup in one-two years depending on how good McDermott and Mirotic are. Of course neither guy IS Love but if they're 80% of Love (so 14-18 points per game with average rebounding), that five would be dangerous to close out games because you'd have four scorers (Rose, Mirotic, McDermott, Martin) who could attack defenses.

I'm not really sure that gutting the team for Love is better than swapping assets (i.e a backup PF and one year SF for a starting SG and two reserves). I wouldn't be upset with either deal though.

And can we PLEASE stop suggesting that the Bulls get back Dieng over Thompson? Dieng has three years of team control at the C position for a very cheap dollar amount, he's not going to be traded here. Wiggins nor Dieng will be Bulls.

Didn't you hear? We will give up MDJ for wiggins! Doubt anyone can pass on that.

[Groucho]

Love wants to go and will sign an extension in Cleveland because he gets Lebron and Kyrie.

You all need to forget it and realize our team is what it will be right for next year.

[Zane]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q78ppqlOl1U[/youtube]

Thought I would include this song as well.

[mj234eva]

There's also the potential to not be good this year. You're also banking on Pau being better in the playoffs than he has been the last 3 seasons, when his team has made it.

Different team, different system, different conference.

The only thing worth banking on with Pau is that he's better than Booze.

In the playoffs, with a healthy Rose & deep front court rotation, I'll take my chances.

Regardless, my point still stands.