Are we looking at the Smith Drummond Monroe saga wrong????

BayAreaTreyArea · Post #1 » by **BayAreaTreyArea** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:11 am

What Ive picked up on in this forum is that alot of people want Smith gone as fast as we can get a decent player and filler for him. It seems that might be selling SVG, Smith and the Pistons short in that we havent seen Smith as PF yet. All our anger, hate, disgust with the man is based on him playing SF which he probably will never play again with Detroit or any other team based on what we saw last season. Smith is a way above average PF one who affects the game in ways most PFs cant with superb athleticism. He is the perfect yin to Monroe's yang. He can guard the tough opposing PF when Monroe could have trouble. Then Monroe could go out and pick dasies and score to his hearts content. I think there could be something to that.

Monroe Smith and Drummond are about the Pistons only hope at any sort of mismatch at all on the court for the next season and untl we get a pg or sf it could be our only mismatch for the season after that. I say we give it a shot and let them go at it until the trade deadline and if it works then we struck gold when we were going to sell low on Smith and maybe Monroe.

ARoS · Post #2 » by **ARoS** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:53 am

I dont think he is the perfect ying to Gregs yang. Not in the slightest. On defense Monroe needs someone with a good head next to him to guide him, not an overly-excitable shot-blocker with a low IQ. And on offense Greg needs someone with a bit of range.

ImHeisenberg · Post #3 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:07 pm

BayAreaTreyArea wrote:It seems that might be selling SVG, Smith and the Pistons short in that we havent seen Smith as PF yet.

We have 8 or 9 years of data for Smith at power forward in Atlanta. He's a better fit there, but that was with Al Horford, who has a midrange jump shot. Drummond isn't that type of player.

Laimbeer · Post #4 » by **Laimbeer** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:27 pm

alex0000 wrote:I dont think he is the perfect ying to Gregs yang. Not in the slightest. On defense Monroe needs someone with a good head next to him to guide him, not an overly-excitable shot-blocker with a low IQ. And on offense Greg needs someone with a bit of range.

So Monroe's defense is due to Smith not guiding him? The guy's been in the league for four years. I think it has a lot more to do with his own ability and what he does with it.

Ghost · Post #5 » by **Ghost** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:56 pm

I just hope it comes to a conclusion soon so we can stop speculating :lol:

. Either we're going to have an awesome trio for the C/PF spots or we're going to have more balance. I can live with either scenario, as long as whoever is on the team buys into SVG ideas. It's probably going to be a bumpy year, but hopefully we see a lot of growth.

ElectricMayhem · Post #6 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:06 pm

I posted a link in another thread...Despite his terrible offensive efficiency last year, defensively, he was right around the 10th best rim protector in the NBA. He certainly has value, although it is (or hopefully will be) duplicated by Drummond as he grows into the defender he has the potential to be. I don't mind keeping all three, especially with a coach who will use them to the best of their capabilities like SVG. At the least, I'd like them to keep all three and hopefully pump up their trade value. Any trades we make now would be like selling a car that had years of neglect and is covered in dirt to a dealership. SVG is a car-lover. Give him a chance to tune up the car and make it purr, take it outside and wash and wax it. Then sell that baby.

Billl · Post #7 » by **Billl** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:41 pm

Either Smith or Monroe could be the best backup big in the league. Of course, everyone would have to buy in to that for it to work. That is the real sticking point. Well, that and money. Neither Smith nor Monroe have given the least bit of indication that they would be happy coming off the bench. That might change, but so far it isn't looking good.

Moose10Fan · Post #8 » by **Moose10Fan** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:34 pm

Billl wrote:Either Smith or Monroe could be the best backup big in the league. Of course, everyone would have to buy in to that for it to work. That is the real sticking point. Well, that and money. Neither Smith nor Monroe have given the least bit of indication that they would be happy coming off the bench. That might change, but so far it isn't looking good.

If you want a consistent player down low who gives it his all and is very coachable and young you go for Monroe.

If you want an athletic PF, on the downside of his career, dribbling around like a guard, off his foot and constant long jumpers you go with Smith.

Honestly defensively I don't even see that huge of a disparity between Monroe and Smith. Sure Smith blocks some shots but he ball watches constantly and loses his man.

Coach Wallace · Post #9 » by **Coach Wallace** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:21 pm

I don't think the issue with keeping the 3 of these guys is who will start the game, but rather who will finish them. I don't want any scenario that allows for Drummond to possibly be sitting in the 4th.

DetroitSho · Post #10 » by **DetroitSho** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:25 pm

Moose10Fan wrote:
Billl wrote:Either Smith or Monroe could be the best backup big in the league. Of course, everyone would have to buy in to that for it to work. That is the real sticking point. Well, that and money. Neither Smith nor Monroe have given the least bit of indication that they would be happy coming off the bench. That might change, but so far it isn't looking good.

If you want a consistent player down low who gives it his all and is very coachable and young you go for Monroe.

If you want an athletic PF, on the downside of his career, dribbling around like a guard, off his foot and constant long jumpers you go with Smith.

Honestly defensively I don't even see that huge of a disparity between Monroe and Smith. Sure Smith blocks some shots but he ball watches constantly and loses his man.

The killing part on the subject of defense is people don't realize the contradiction they make when defending Smith and bashing Monroe's defense. They want Greg gone because "he can't guard stretch 4's". The defense of Smith all last year was he wasn't good chasing players on the perimeter and would be better off playing D closer in and protection the paint. Hmmmm how irrelevant would his paint protection be if he's guarding stretch 4's? Don't they kinda camp out on the 3 point line and bomb away? Are we really advocating another season of giving up open 3's all year while Smith is looking for the spectacular block?

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DBC10 · Post #11 » by **DBC10** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:46 pm

http://www.freep.com/article/20140725/S ... s-contract

Nice article detailing the events thus far.

bballnmike · Post #12 » by **bballnmike** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:06 pm

DBC10 wrote:http://www.freep.com/article/20140725/SPORTS03/307250087/greg-monroe-detroit-pistons-contract

Nice article detailing the events thus far.

Yeah good summary of the situation, in contrast to all the speculation here.