Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[MKGsMotor]

McDermott is gonna FLOP hard in the NBA. I don't see how you all don't see it. All the signs point to it. Too slow to guard on the perimeter, too weak and small to bang down low. He's a positionless tweener. He had a legendary career playing for his dad in college, but its a different game up here. He's not gonna have daddy's offense in the NBA. His ceiling is Matt Bonnar.

YEAH I SAID IT

No way. He looked like a taller current Kyle Korver in SL. He would be awesome with MKG-Lance-Al Jeff small ball lineups.

Matt Bonnar would look like a taller Kyle Korver in summer league too. Cody Zeller looked like Hakeem Olajuwan.

[HornetJail]

McDermott is gonna FLOP hard in the NBA. I don't see how you all don't see it. All the signs point to it. Too slow to guard on the perimeter, too weak and small to bang down low. He's a positionless tweener. He had a legendary career playing for his dad in college, but its a different game up here. He's not gonna have daddy's offense in the NBA. His ceiling is Matt Bonnar.

YEAH I SAID IT

At worst, he'll be what Kyle Korver is to the Hawks. He'll be fantastic if he stays in Chicago with Thibs and this current core.

At worst he'll be one of the best 3 point shooters in league history? Come on, now. Are we really using that as an "at worst"?

Well if we're going absolute worst, then he gets injured and never plays in the NBA.

But yeah I like him a lot, and will be very surprised if he can't be as good as Korver within a few years. He may not be shooting 45% from three every year, but he's a sharpshooter nonetheless, and more importantly, he's a scorer not just a shooter. Basically if you think he's going to pull an Adam Morrison and would be surprised if he became anything more, I think you're quite wrong. He might end up a horrible defender if he isn't under a good defensive coach, but his offense is most certainly going to keep him significantly better than Matt Bonner.

[BeesWax]

At worst, he'll be what Kyle Korver is to the Hawks. He'll be fantastic if he stays in Chicago with Thibs and this current core.

At worst he'll be one of the best 3 point shooters in league history? Come on, now. Are we really using that as an "at worst"?

Well if we're going absolute worst, then he gets injured and never plays in the NBA.

But yeah I like him a lot, and will be very surprised if he can't be as good as Korver within a few years. He may not be shooting 45% from three every year, but he's a sharpshooter nonetheless, and more importantly, he's a scorer not just a shooter. Basically if you think he's going to pull an Adam Morrison and would be surprised if he became anything more, I think you're quite wrong. He might end up a horrible defender if he isn't under a good defensive coach, but his offense is most certainly going to keep him significantly better than Matt Bonner.

If we could get him for this I would do it in a heart beat. He would give us lots of lineup flexibility.

[SWedd523]

McDermott is gonna FLOP hard in the NBA. I don't see how you all don't see it. All the signs point to it. Too slow to guard on the perimeter, too weak and small to bang down low. He's a positionless tweener. He had a legendary career playing for his dad in college, but its a different game up here. He's not gonna have daddy's offense in the NBA. His ceiling is Matt Bonnar.

YEAH I SAID IT

No way. He looked like a taller current Kyle Korver in SL. He would be awesome with MKG-Lance-Al Jeff small ball lineups.

Josh Selby looked like an All-NBA talent in SL last year.

Anyone remember the SL ghost of Marco Belinelli?

[LofJ]

Josh Selby is the biggest waste of talent of the last several years in my opinion. He has Kyrie Irving level ability, but doesn't have the brains or maturity to put it to use.

[amcoolio]

I know it was "just SL" but McDermott legitimately looked like he didn't belong, like he was too good to be playing with the scrubs. His offensive awareness was awesome. His dribbling and shooting was fluid and natural. It honestly looked like Kyle Korver was out there playing with these guys. He wasn't sloppy like Vonleh, and didn't lack confidence or hesitation like Cody. He just has it. And I am so jealous of the Bulls.

[SWedd523]

Again, you could put Selby's name in that same post and it would ring true last year.

Every single year has guys struggle in SL then go on to have great seasons or dominate and never be heard of. We all know this. Yet we hype up or denigrate players based on their performance.

It really makes no sense to me how guys fall in this same trap every year.

Disclaimer: this is a general statement and no indictment on McDermott's translation to the real league

[penquin11]

McDermott is gonna FLOP hard in the NBA. I don't see how you all don't see it. All the signs point to it. Too slow to guard on the perimeter, too weak and small to bang down low. He's a positionless tweener. He had a legendary career playing for his dad in college, but its a different game up here. He's not gonna have daddy's offense in the NBA. His ceiling is Matt Bonnar.

YEAH I SAID IT

No way. He looked like a taller current Kyle Korver in SL. He would be awesome with MKG-Lance-Al Jeff small ball lineups.

Matt Bonnar would look like a taller Kyle Korver in summer league too. Cody Zeller looked like Hakeem Olajuwan.

Bro, why not use examples of things that actually happened? Like Anthony Randolph looking like the next big thing, or Josh Shelby looking like the next Jamal Crawford.

[TheKingofSting]

Josh Selby is the biggest waste of talent of the last several years in my opinion. He has Kyrie Irving level ability, but doesn't have the brains or maturity to put it to use.

You could even argue he was better than Kyrie at one point.

[BobsBuddy]

Getting Back to Fake trades..Here are the facts:

The Hornets are weak at backup center and small forward and overloaded at shooting guard.
They want to keep Hendo into the season before trading him to make sure Lance will be a good fit at SG.
The team is high on PJ even with his baggage. That leaves Neal as trade bait.
Trade Checker # 6495771 Neal and JT for Dudley (LAC) Then we sign Josh Davis6'9"215 from SL MKG,Dudley,Davis ?
Trade Checker# 6495776 (after 9-10-14) Biz and Miami's 2019 2nd roundpick for T.Zellar and Faverina from (BOS).....We are deep at the center position and add Size ....Al TZel Fav?

This fills the holes and Gives us a great starting 5 with also deep bench.
KW,Rob,Par
LS Hendo,PJ
MKG,Dud,Davis
Williams CZELL,Vonleh
Al,TZELL,FAV

The starters have Williams/Al who have experience playing together down low and second team has Zellar brothers who have played together all their life. Insert PJ for Hendo and Vonleh for CZELL when we need to score more.
and when we need boards insert Josh "Rodman"Davis.

[vorbis]

:roll: Getting Back to Fake trades..Here are the facts:

The Hornets are weak at backup center and small forward and overloaded at shooting guard.
They want to keep Hendo into the season before trading him to make sure Lance will be a good fit at SG.
The team is high on PJ even with his baggage. That leaves Neal as trade bait.
Trade Checker # 6495771 Neal and JT for Dudley (LAC) Then we sign Josh Davis6'9"215 from SL MKG,Dudley,Davis ?
Trade Checker# 6495776 (after 9-10-14) Biz and Miami's 2019 2nd roundpick for T.Zellar and Faverina from (BOS).....We are deep at the center position and add Size ....Al TZel Fav?

This fills the holes and Gives us a great starting 5 with also deep bench.
KW,Rob,Par
LS Hendo,PJ
MKG,Dud,Davis
Williams CZELL,Vonleh
Al,TZELL,FAV

The starters have Williams/Al who have experience playing together down low and second team has Zellar brothers who have played together all their life. Insert PJ for Hendo and Vonleh for CZELL when we need to score more.
and when we need boards insert Josh "Rodman"Davis.

if Bill Simmons is the Picasso of the trade machine, you are the Jackson Pollock

[Hornet Mania]

I used the ESPN Trade Machine for the first time just now, it's more addictive than I expected. I'm thinking small with a Hendo trade, and I think Cho should too. Just chopping his 2-year deal down to 1 year with a serviceable player would be somewhat of a win, if we could get a 2nd round pick out of the deal as well all the better.

My two modest trade proposals:

1. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oxk9pza

Charlotte receives: Jason Terry (1 year $5.8 million contract) + a 2nd round pick
Sacramento receives: Gerald Henderson (2 years $6 million contract)

This would be the bottom of the barrel. Strictly something I would propose if we absolutely needed to unload Hendo because we discover our wing prospects (Hairston and Taylor especially) are legit and they need PT immediately. Or perhaps we need a quick deal to move Hendo because he will not accept a bench role.

Terry is an expiring, so we get Hendo's deal off the books in time to give Kemba/Biz their extensions. Also, for what it's worth, Terry's contract is $200k cheaper this year. 2nd round pick is just sweetener since Sactown gets an NBA-caliber veteran in his prime for practically nothing. Sacramento possibly does this because they intend to win relatively soon (2015) and Hendo can be a calming presence for their young SG prospects. Also: because they managed to turn Jason Terry into something not awful.

2. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mkz8rwb

Charlotte receives: Tayshaun Prince
Memphis receives: Gerald Henderson

This is strictly a move to get Hendo's deal off the books in 2015 while still bringing in another wing who can supply minutes without everything falling apart. Prince is owed $1.7 million more this year than Hendo, but his deal expires after the season so it's just the price you pay to unload a contract you don't want anymore. Prince is also a natural backup for MKG at the SF position, and a professional who has a reputation for quality defense, team play and experience on multiple playoff teams that made deep runs.

Memphis possibly does this because right now their SF rotation is Pondexter and Prince which is just underwhelming enough to make Hendo seem worth adding. With Hendo they have a guy who they know can provide minutes while playing quality D. He's also a savings of $1.7 million this season, and with the free agent market as insane as it what this off-season they may see it being even worse next year. What if every mediocre wing is getting Jodie Meeks money next summer because the cap jumped up again? Hendo's deal locks in their core (assuming they re-sign Gasol) for the next 2 (Hendo/Conley/Lee) to 3 (Randolph/Allen/Pondexter) years. At that point they blow it up and start over.

I realize these aren't the types of deals that make you feel inspired, but I'm assuming that a nice return is not something to expect when dealing Hendo. If Cho can pull off a stealthy value play in this situation he's the GOAT.

[MasterIchiro]

I used the ESPN Trade Machine for the first time just now, it's more addictive than I expected. I'm thinking small with a Hendo trade, and I think Cho should too. Just chopping his 2-year deal down to 1 year with a serviceable player would be somewhat of a win, if we could get a 2nd round pick out of the deal as well all the better.

My two modest trade proposals:

1. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oxk9pza

Charlotte receives: Jason Terry (1 year $5.8 million contract) + a 2nd round pick
Sacramento receives: Gerald Henderson (2 years $6 million contract)

This would be the bottom of the barrel. Strictly something I would propose if we absolutely needed to unload Hendo because we discover our wing prospects (Hairston and Taylor especially) are legit and they need PT immediately. Or perhaps we need a quick deal to move Hendo because he will not accept a bench role.

Terry is an expiring, so we get Hendo's deal off the books in time to give Kemba/Biz their extensions. Also, for what it's worth, Terry's contract is $200k cheaper this year. 2nd round pick is just sweetener since Sactown gets an NBA-caliber veteran in his prime for practically nothing. Sacramento possibly does this because they intend to win relatively soon (2015) and Hendo can be a calming presence for their young SG prospects. Also: because they managed to turn Jason Terry into something not awful.

2. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mkz8rwb

Charlotte receives: Tayshaun Prince
Memphis receives: Gerald Henderson

This is strictly a move to get Hendo's deal off the books in 2015 while still bringing in another wing who can supply minutes without everything falling apart. Prince is owed $1.7 million more this year than Hendo, but his deal expires after the season so it's just the price you pay to unload a contract you don't want anymore. Prince is also a natural backup for MKG at the SF position, and a professional who has a reputation for quality defense, team play and experience on multiple playoff teams that made deep runs.

Memphis possibly does this because right now their SF rotation is Pondexter and Prince which is just underwhelming enough to make Hendo seem worth adding. With Hendo they have a guy who they know can provide minutes while playing quality D. He's also a savings of $1.7 million this season, and with the free agent market as insane as it what this off-season they may see it being even worse next year. What if every mediocre wing is getting Jodie Meeks money next summer because the cap jumped up again? Hendo's deal locks in their core (assuming they re-sign Gasol) for the next 2 (Hendo/Conley/Lee) to 3 (Randolph/Allen/Pondexter) years. At that point they blow it up and start over.

I realize these aren't the types of deals that make you feel inspired, but I'm assuming that a nice return is not something to expect when dealing Hendo. If Cho can pull off a stealthy value play in this situation he's the GOAT.

I would give you 10 out of 10 but you lack Bobsbuddy emoticons.

[yosemiteben]

Trade Checker# 6495776 (after 9-10-14) Biz and Miami's 2019 2nd roundpick for T.Zellar and Faverina from (BOS).....We are deep at the center position and add Size ....Al TZel Fav?

[HornetJail]

Say the Sterling situation isn't resolved and CP3 requests a trade. What do you offer to get him here?

[HornetJail]

Also... Neal and Taylor for Kevin Martin?

[yosemiteben]

Say the Sterling situation isn't resolved and CP3 requests a trade. What do you offer to get him here?

That is an excellent question. He's 29 so I'm hesitant to blow up our core, but don't you have to if that's what it takes to get him?

[MasterIchiro]

Also... Neal and Taylor for Kevin Martin?

KMart is owed 3 years so it's too risky with Henderson on the books for 2. I prefer Hendo + Neal for Martin, consolidate at SG and have Hairston + Martin as shooters off the bench. I would still want a shooter behind MKG.

[BeesWax]

:roll: Getting Back to Fake trades..Here are the facts:

The Hornets are weak at backup center and small forward and overloaded at shooting guard.
They want to keep Hendo into the season before trading him to make sure Lance will be a good fit at SG.
The team is high on PJ even with his baggage. That leaves Neal as trade bait.
Trade Checker # 6495771 Neal and JT for Dudley (LAC) Then we sign Josh Davis6'9"215 from SL MKG,Dudley,Davis ?
Trade Checker# 6495776 (after 9-10-14) Biz and Miami's 2019 2nd roundpick for T.Zellar and Faverina from (BOS).....We are deep at the center position and add Size ....Al TZel Fav?

This fills the holes and Gives us a great starting 5 with also deep bench.
KW,Rob,Par
LS Hendo,PJ
MKG,Dud,Davis
Williams CZELL,Vonleh
Al,TZELL,FAV

The starters have Williams/Al who have experience playing together down low and second team has Zellar brothers who have played together all their life. Insert PJ for Hendo and Vonleh for CZELL when we need to score more.
and when we need boards insert Josh "Rodman"Davis.

First: Davis is more of a PF than SF since he can't score from over 5 feet away from the rim.
Second: the second trade makes us worse at C then we are now.

The first trade is one of the best you have ever offered up here and I am not sure I would do it but I would consider. The second trade is more normal for you and it would be terrible for our team and we should not even read the trade much less talk about doing it.

[BeesWax]

Say the Sterling situation isn't resolved and CP3 requests a trade. What do you offer to get him here?

It would be interesting to see what they want.