The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[JDLAW]

He can't play anymore, especially in an uptempo system. Unfortunately, he's likely done as a player.

[spanishninja]

I hope we are making an offer to Greg Oden. I think we could get him with the same contract that Ed Davis got with the Lakers.

Upside could be tremendous with our med staff, but does he want to come here? Unless we throw him a mid-level exception type of deal, I'm not so sure.

[bwgood77]

Thats why as of now these teams need to look at the players they are trading for and make sure they can fit in. Otherwise they will just end up losing them and be stuck holding the bag. Wiggins doesnt want to play with the Wolves, and in 4 years (or sooner) they will find themselves in the same situation that they are currently in with Love.

They actually hold a player's rights for 8 years unless they take the QO (or stupidly give a guy like Love a player option after 3 years of 2nd contract). 9 years if they make them the designated player. OKC will have Westbrook and Durant each 9 years even if they leave when they are free agents.

I generally agree that they should do more to help small markets but they've done quite a bit. NY and LA are having trouble attracting guys too right now. I'm not sure Cleveland is a better place to live than Minnesota except for maybe the weather.

You make a good point about control but it is not so absolute as this. Players do not have to take 5 years or even 4 on their second contract.

I guess that's true. Hadn't thought about that. I guess they could do a one year deal, though I don't see it happen often. And Bosh, LeBron and Wade (I believe) also had the player option after year 3. I really haven't seen a star force his way out after a rookie deal, or even by taking a one or two year deal on the second contract since the CBA changed in 99.

[Frank Lee]

I hope we are making an offer to Greg Oden. I think we could get him with the same contract that Ed Davis got with the Lakers.

Only if our med staff wants the challenge... But to get him healthy enough to play 20+ might take and Moses-like effort....


Saw the home fun derby in '84(?) in the homer dome.... Eddie Murray jacked one off a speaker hanging from the ceiling in Right field... Ground rule double

[bwgood77]

I'm not sure about that pecking order. I live in Minny, and would say that it's probably UofM first, then probably the Twins, but the Wolves are pretty popular here as well as the Wild. The Vikings seem to be losing some support, and their stadium downtown was just demolished a few months ago. And when I ask people where the Vikings will play, I have yet to hear an answer.

I'm surprised you say that. I lived there for a while when KG was there and the Vikings were far more popular than even the Twins. There were also a ton of Packers fans too (I think many people move from Wisconsin because a lot of big companies are headquartered in Minnesota as well as people who move from places like North and South Dakota many of who were Brett Favre fans). I went to a Twins game while they were on a 25 game winning streak that year and was surprised they didn't seem to be terribly popular.

I would have ranked the Wild higher too. Maybe this has changed where the TWolves are really popular but I can't really see how. I was there when they were a perennial playoff team and since then they haven't made it in 10 years. Surprised to hear their popularity has risen relative to the other teams.

[Qwigglez]

I hope we are making an offer to Greg Oden. I think we could get him with the same contract that Ed Davis got with the Lakers.

Upside could be tremendous with our med staff, but does he want to come here? Unless we throw him a mid-level exception type of deal, I'm not so sure.

Well he only played 23 games last season. so if we threw him a deal for 2.1mil a year, 2nd year being a team option, I think he would be okay with it. Mostly because, he would only get a veteran's minimum contract with the Heat, and with our medical staff maybe they patch him up and then he could bring in more money once he becomes a free agent again later. It would make sense from his perspective IMO.

[bwgood77]

I hope we are making an offer to Greg Oden. I think we could get him with the same contract that Ed Davis got with the Lakers.

Only if our med staff wants the challenge... But to get him healthy enough to play 20+ might take and Moses-like effort....


Saw the home fun derby in '84(?) in the homer dome.... Eddie Murray jacked one off a speaker hanging from the ceiling in Right field... Ground rule double

I'm still a little curious what Emeka Okafor's health is. I see fans of various teams on twitter saying their team should sign him but there is ZERO news about him. I know his injury was serious, but I didn't know it might keep him out for more than a year or end his career.

[RunDogGun]

I'm not sure about that pecking order. I live in Minny, and would say that it's probably UofM first, then probably the Twins, but the Wolves are pretty popular here as well as the Wild. The Vikings seem to be losing some support, and their stadium downtown was just demolished a few months ago. And when I ask people where the Vikings will play, I have yet to hear an answer.

I'm surprised you say that. I lived there for a while when KG was there and the Vikings were far more popular than even the Twins. There were also a ton of Packers fans too (I think many people move from Wisconsin because a lot of big companies are headquartered in Minnesota as well as people who move from places like North and South Dakota many of who were Brett Favre fans). I went to a Twins game while they were on a 25 game winning streak that year and was surprised they didn't seem to be terribly popular.

I would have ranked the Wild higher too. Maybe this has changed where the TWolves are really popular but I can't really see how. I was there when they were a perennial playoff team and since then they haven't made it in 10 years. Surprised to hear their popularity has risen relative to the other teams.

I'm just basing things off talking to people and what teams they wear. Right now, since baseball is in season, it would explain the influx of Twins apparel. But like I said, the Wolves games are jumping and when I have been there, pretty packed, and that was even against us last season.

Still a lot of Packer fans here, and since I live right by Wis, many Wis college stuff. I still see more Wolves stuff than Wild stuff, or at least pretty equal.

But I'll keep an eye out this upcoming football season, and see if the Vikings popularity picks up.

[JDLAW]

I hope we are making an offer to Greg Oden. I think we could get him with the same contract that Ed Davis got with the Lakers.

Upside could be tremendous with our med staff, but does he want to come here? Unless we throw him a mid-level exception type of deal, I'm not so sure.

Suns do not have a mid-level exception because they are under the cap. Don't think they would want to spend that kind of money on him anyway. Our med and training staff are the best in the league, but I think a reclamation project of this proportion could well be beyond them. But I could see the possibility that he asks to come here to be evaluated for his condition and ability and if the doctors and training give their blessing, who is to say he could not be serviceable as a 3rd string center.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Does anybody else just wanna roll with what we got or is it just me?

I can't wait to see Dragic-Bledsoe-Thomas wreak havoc on opposing defenses, Len's improvement, and Warren immediately proving his worth as a point-a-minute player. I'm also excited to see Kieff come back as a starter, with a chip on his shoulder, ready to prove his haters wrong.

Last year I was most excited early on to watch Len, and became more invested in the team's success as pleasant surprise turned into reasonable hope. But this year I'm interested in all our guys. I'm more attached. I want them to succeed individually and as a team. Just look at this:

Bledsoe/Thomas
Dragic/Green
Tucker/Warren
Morris/Morris
Plumlee/Len

When healthy, we're going to have tremendous depth. But we won't be alone in that respect in the west. When healthy, I'd say the Nuggets, Warriors, Grizzlies, and Spurs are all just as deep (I'd also include the Thunder but for that gaping hole at the 2).

I just can't wait to see how good that team is. It looks better to me, but it's really hard to tell if the west improved. I'm not a believer in Dallas, but Denver's going to be better. Golden State added Livingston, butHouston's down a peg. LA swapped Collison for Hawes, but their 2/3 situation doesn't look any better. The Lakers are better, but that's not saying much. Memphis may be better, but Minnesota's worse. New Orleans up with Asik, but the Thunder have a lot of youth developing and should be better. Portland stayed still, Sacramento chased its own tail, while San Antonio decays so slowly its hard to measure. One other team I'm excited to watch is Utah, but they probably won't win much.

The thing about trying to project minutes though... it's silly mostly because of how versatile our roster is. I could see Green on Thomas playing a see-saw with minutes depending on match-ups. Who knows how big a role TJ will play. Tolliver could see a lot of minutes at C on nights where it's clear we need to spread the floor. So averaging those numbers really won't tell us much about what we'll see out there.

Glad I'm not in Phoenix, or the summer would seem to last forever.

[JDLAW]

Does anybody else just wanna roll with what we got or is it just me?

I can't wait to see Dragic-Bledsoe-Thomas wreak havoc on opposing defenses, Len's improvement, and Warren immediately proving his worth as a point-a-minute player. I'm also excited to see Kieff come back as a starter, with a chip on his shoulder, ready to prove his haters wrong.

Last year I was most excited early on to watch Len, and became more invested in the team's success as pleasant surprise turned into reasonable hope. But this year I'm interested in all our guys. I'm more attached. I want them to succeed individually and as a team. Just look at this:

Bledsoe/Thomas
Dragic/Green
Tucker/Warren
Morris/Morris
Plumlee/Len

When healthy, we're going to have tremendous depth. But we won't be alone in that respect in the west. When healthy, I'd say the Nuggets, Warriors, Grizzlies, and Spurs are all just as deep (I'd also include the Thunder but for that gaping hole at the 2).

I just can't wait to see how good that team is. It looks better to me, but it's really hard to tell if the west improved. I'm not a believer in Dallas, but Denver's going to be better. Golden State added Livingston, butHouston's down a peg. LA swapped Collison for Hawes, but their 2/3 situation doesn't look any better. The Lakers are better, but that's not saying much. Memphis may be better, but Minnesota's worse. New Orleans up with Asik, but the Thunder have a lot of youth developing and should be better. Portland stayed still, Sacramento chased its own tail, while San Antonio decays so slowly its hard to measure. One other team I'm excited to watch is Utah, but they probably won't win much.

The thing about trying to project minutes though... it's silly mostly because of how versatile our roster is. I could see Green on Thomas playing a see-saw with minutes depending on match-ups. Who knows how big a role TJ will play. Tolliver could see a lot of minutes at C on nights where it's clear we need to spread the floor. So averaging those numbers really won't tell us much about what we'll see out there.

Glad I'm not in Phoenix, or the summer would seem to last forever.

I agree - we need to move forward with what we have!

You should be in PHX. Its only 109!

[Saberestar]

The Knicks recently attempted to make a trade for Minnesota Timberwolves star Kevin Love, offering forward Amar'e Stoudemire and his enormous expiring contract, second-year guard Tim Hardaway, Jr. and swingman Iman Shumpert, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/source-k ... is+herring

Worst offer ever!

[letsgosuns]

The Knicks recently attempted to make a trade for Minnesota Timberwolves star Kevin Love, offering forward Amar'e Stoudemire and his enormous expiring contract, second-year guard Tim Hardaway, Jr. and swingman Iman Shumpert, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/source-k ... is+herring

Worst offer ever!

Knowing the Timberwolves, they would probably take that over Andrew Wiggins because of how dumb Flip Saunders is.

[RunDogGun]

The Knicks recently attempted to make a trade for Minnesota Timberwolves star Kevin Love, offering forward Amar'e Stoudemire and his enormous expiring contract, second-year guard Tim Hardaway, Jr. and swingman Iman Shumpert, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/source-k ... is+herring

Worst offer ever!

Knowing the Timberwolves, they would probably take that over Andrew Wiggins because of how dumb Flip Saunders is.

If Wiggins was ever really offered, and they had Khan running things.

[Revived]

The Knicks recently attempted to make a trade for Minnesota Timberwolves star Kevin Love, offering forward Amar'e Stoudemire and his enormous expiring contract, second-year guard Tim Hardaway, Jr. and swingman Iman Shumpert, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/source-k ... is+herring

Worst offer ever!

I think the poop I took this morning has better trade value than that.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I agree - we need to move forward with what we have!

You should be in PHX. Its only 109!

Here in Brooklyn people say it's hot when it's 85. It's not hot. It's just not air-conditioned.

What I miss most about Phoenix are the sunrises. Cars have been off the road for a few hours so the air is nicer, it's quiet, the coolest it'll be all day, the sun comes up, clear sky. Within 90 minutes you better be indoors.

[carey]

[Suns do not have a mid-level exception because they are under the cap. Don't think they would want to spend that kind of money on him anyway. Our med and training staff are the best in the league, but I think a reclamation project of this proportion could well be beyond them. But I could see the possibility that he asks to come here to be evaluated for his condition and ability and if the doctors and training give their blessing, who is to say he could not be serviceable as a 3rd string center.

At least there's one voice of reason around here. Oden is broken, as in not fixable. His legs are different lengths, his gait is a complete mess. You don't want this guy taking up a roster spot. Yes, he looks good out on the floor for a few minutes every 3rd game or so, but it's not a guy you want really taking up a valuable roster spot on a young team like ours.

[KLEON]

Thank god! Bye Christmas.

A wildly inconsistent shooter that can't score in any other way. See ya!

Now that an extra spot has opened.

Yes please bring back Sweet Lou. I would love to have L.B back also

[batsmasher]

But doesn't that mean he also gets credit for Chilldress's contract as well? I think what happened under Bab/Blank is significantly different than what has been going on now. Since one constant is the same, and only one variable changed, I think it's safe to give credit to McD.

Bab was probably just doing what he was told. That's why he fits so perfectly with a talent scout like McD. Give Bab a target, and let him get to work.

[carey]

Yes please bring back Sweet Lou. I would love to have L.B back also

I'm not sure what LB gives us that Goodwin doesn't at this point besides leadership. We have a glut of guards and I really don't want to see Gerald at the SF spot if it can be helped. I was a fan of Lou, but we don't need a back-up big man, we have plenty of those already. We need a starting caliber big man.