MacGill wrote:Question? Why are there people whining about where a player lands? If you want to discuss points, great do it, but it seems like some are sulking because others have made fantastic posts about other players, to help change perception, which to me is sad. For me, I am clear in that I'll take offensive and defensive balance versus the higher offense and more minimal defensive impact by position. What is wrong with that?
It's a choice....and obviously if certain players were such a lock they'd be in already because I don't think anyone is really strategically voting. And if they are, they are one vote. I mean we have KM, DN, Kobe, Oscar, West etc all as great players putting the basket in the net. This is no different than others dismissing other methods of gauging player impact and trying to say why we shouldn't. If you buy into it....great, if not, make your case and move on. It's not like posters are just focusing on one element of positivity or negativity. Everything is being looked over.
Hmmm, I'm probably going to get suspended for this but look at the highlighted words. Why is making an opinion sulking or whining? I would take all these "fantastic posts" with a grain of salt. It's still just opinion, with no basis in fact anywhere...because it can't proven.
Regul8tr made a "fantastic post" prior to this list, showing how the voting was likely to go and for the most part he was right. So really, there aren't any fantastic posts or radical new ideas. This is people spouting the same thing they have been saying for quite a long time. Posters tendencies are quite transparent despite the "cases" being made.
ThaRegul8r wrote:EJaggit wrote:therealbig3 wrote:
Why?
Because that would mean TD is a top 5 player, what would have have to do in order to top Bird?
I see you haven't been here long, and thus are unaware of the trends on this board.
- Bird will fall. If one has been on this board for any length of time, this is an outcome that is completely predictable.
- Jordan will stay where he is, obviously.
- Russell will fall. #2 was the highest he could possibly reach, and he's going to fall with the next project. Some of the people who voted him #2 last time have lowered their opinions of him since then, which will help...
- Kareem, who will rise to #2, taking Russell's spot. There are some people like MacGill who don't rank him highly, but more of the people in the project do, and there are people in the project like ronnymac2 and TrueLAfan who have him #1, so he'll finish behind Jordan
- Magic will fall. There've been a lot of threads questioning his position in the time since the last project, and this is where we'll see it bear fruit.
- Wilt will fall. There's a possibility he drops outside of the top ten, depending on who the participants are. Ardee's in, so he'll defend Wilt, but he's balanced out by bastillon.
- Shaq will rise. Shaq's got colts18, I don't see RayBan-Sematra. He's ronnymac2's favorite player, so there's a higher vote for him. I forgot MacGill as well, who has him third, so that's another.
- Duncan will rise, benefiting from the drop of Magic, Wilt and Bird, and also from the fact that his fifth title win is fresh in everyone's minds. Dr Positivity's in, and he had Duncan as his #3.
- Hakeem has people who says he's as high as #2 (e.g. lorak, 90sAllDecade), as well as people who say he's overrated. He'll benefit from the drop of Magic, Wilt and Bird, but on the other hand, LeBron's rising as well and will probably surpass him. It depends on how much this Finals loss impacts him in the perception of the voters. There was just a lengthy Duncan/Hakeem argument (which was a "Who would you choose" question, not "Who's better"), which will likely carry over into the project when the time comes.
- Kobe supporters will duke it out with LeBron backers, as the former will be fighting to keep Kobe's spot in the top 10, as he was #10 last time as it was. It'll be ugly. An Unbiased Fan is in, so Kobe can count on his support. I don't see The Infamous 1. Kobe'll need him.
- LeBron's obviously rising. He was #18 last time, and he's one of the primary reasons people wanted to re-do the Top 100 project. He'll end up bumping Kobe out of the top ten, which Kobe backers will fight tooth and nail to prevent. Though if Wilt falls outside the top ten, then Kobe will still remain. It would be possible for Kobe backers to strategize to take advantage of the drops of players currently higher on the list to keep Kobe in the top ten if people thought that deeply about it.
Nothing is being looked over...it's just more of the same rhetoric being spouted...rinse and repeat....rinse and repeat....rinse and repeat....until it becomes somebodies truth......
