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[e] wrote:Taj just turned 29 guys, how's that make him "almost 30?" The man has 11 months before he turns 30. He started his entire rookie season, and was our "closer" this season - I'd argue that being on the court at the end of the game is more important than starting it
Oh and if Butler or McBuckets makes the USA team....would be so sweet. Can't wait for that game at the UC in August.
AKfanatic wrote:Last season I saw a lot of complaints aimed at the front office for lacking depth and not being prepared for injury. Now I'm seeing many people that have regularly harped on Noah as injury prone wanting to get rid of Taj simply because of "depth". What happens when Noah goes down, or Pau, and Nikola/Barstow are the only back-ups on the team? Do we really have faith in a rookie? Or a vet min guy to come in and bring what Taj does, especially for the defense.
If it's a true upgrade both short and long term, you obviously do the deal. But you don't trade him to fill a perceived hole while possibly creating another. Lots of opinions (on all sides) seem convinced about what a team they've yet to see needs. There are so many variables with rookie additions, player improvement, FA additions, and Rose joining the team, nobody at all knows how they could look.
r1terrell23 wrote:[e] wrote:Taj just turned 29 guys, how's that make him "almost 30?" The man has 11 months before he turns 30. He started his entire rookie season, and was our "closer" this season - I'd argue that being on the court at the end of the game is more important than starting it
Oh and if Butler or McBuckets makes the USA team....would be so sweet. Can't wait for that game at the UC in August.
Shill wrote:FecesOfDeath wrote:
In addition, he had a PER of 26.5 in last year's playoffs. Playoffs.
Five games isn't a significant sample size.
If David Lee had a three point shot and was right-handed, he'd be Kevin Love.
[e] wrote:If we get Martin and Dieng for Taj - you do it. I can't see them wanting to give up Dieng though, he looked real promising towards the end of last season.
Ice the knees wrote:BrooklynBulls wrote:Ice the knees wrote: I mean one of the very best teams in the league, the Bulls, have gone out of their way now to not start Taj...
No we didn't. Taj would be the starter right now if our plan to get Anthony worked. It just so happened that the next best target for was clearly either Gasol or Stephenson. And it's clear we never really wanted Stephenson. So Gasol it was, unfortunately for Taj. But we paid him a contract that anticipated becoming a starter, then put a plan in place to get an SF that would use up all our capspace, force us to amnesty/S&T Boozer, and make Taj the starter. It's not like the Bulls don't show confidence in this guy. Quite the opposite. They extended him for a premium because they knew he'd perform so well he'd make the deal look good. And he has.
I think it's pretty clear the Bulls don't see Taj as a starter. And that doesn't mean they don't value him, but to the Bulls he's a 6th man.
There is literally zero evidence he is anything else to them. They got Gasol because it's a big upgrade over having Taj start.
This isn't a slight on Taj, I just find it hard to believe the "Taj is a starter" crowd when outside of his rookie year, he has never been a starter...It's not like he's accidently a backup. The Bulls are a very prudent FO, they know what they see in Taj and what they need from him
FecesOfDeath wrote:
How about the 19.8 PER , 212 WS/48 min, and 93 Defensive Rating in 2012 against the Sixers?
Great retort.
Scottie Pippen's response to whom he would pick for his running mate, Michael or LeBron: "That's a dumbass question. I've never done anything with LeBron. I wouldn't take LeBron to the movies."
johnnyvann840 wrote:r1terrell23 wrote:[e] wrote:Taj just turned 29 guys, how's that make him "almost 30?" The man has 11 months before he turns 30. He started his entire rookie season, and was our "closer" this season - I'd argue that being on the court at the end of the game is more important than starting it
Oh and if Butler or McBuckets makes the USA team....would be so sweet. Can't wait for that game at the UC in August.
It's semantics but... it could be .. "he's 29, nearly 30"... or "he just turned 29"... big difference because it is a FULL year (season) of NBA absolute prime .. which a player only gets a few of, maybe 4-5 if lucky.
Proven_Winner wrote:rtblues wrote:The way some guys over-value guys on their teams. Get a grip...
Kinda like they were buddies with the dude or something.
Gotta be realistic, firstly, it's a business. Cleveland knows this, and now Miami does too.
They are stacked at Taj's position.
He's almost 30, virtually no upside remaining. WYSIWYG at this point.
They could use a wing-player, who can shoot, score, create.
With the additions of Gasol and Mirotic, it's highly unlikely that Taj's minutes go up, they would, in fact, they most likely be going down, if he should remain with the Bulls.
He probably is at his peak trade value right now. A year from now, not so much.
We wouldn't really be losing a "go-to-guy", all-star, or D.P.O.Y., but rather a journeyman, perennial bench player.
When I do the math, he's the odd-man out.
They can get someone good for him, at a position that better serves the overall needs of the team.
Appreciate his work, wish him luck, but sorry, no bro-mance here....
The way some guys underrate their own players because they aren't all stars. Get a grip...
Rerisen wrote:On that 'almost 30' thing.
We realize that Joakim Noah is also then, "almost 30" too right?
Maybe we should put him in the package for Love who is 25, using this logic.
Defensive bigs hold up their value into their 30s better than offensive ones.
Rerisen wrote:On that 'almost 30' thing.
We realize that Joakim Noah is also then, "almost 30" too right?
Maybe we should put him in the package for Love who is 25, using this logic.
Defensive bigs hold up their value into their 30s better than offensive ones. Might be something worth keeping in mind vis-a-vis Pau and Taj.
Not like we didn't just learn that lesson for 5 years with the PF we just amnestied.
rtblues wrote:Um, Joakim is a better basketball player than Taj Gibson, and is in the plan.
Rerisen wrote:However the beliefs about the offense with Taj and Noah seem very overstated when you look at our actual team production on the floor when they are together. For two years, Taj has made the offense much better actually when out there.
Scottie Pippen's response to whom he would pick for his running mate, Michael or LeBron: "That's a dumbass question. I've never done anything with LeBron. I wouldn't take LeBron to the movies."
Shill wrote:How is it overstated? Either the production you're talking about either wasn't that significant and/or didn't represent a significant sample size to merit Taj being the starter. I'm not saying he COULDN'T start. But we'd need significant offensive contributions from the wings.
As for the offense being better the last two years with Taj in the lineup, I think it has more to do with Boozer being awful (51.0 TS% and 48.9 TS%) than any uptick in Taj's efficiency (51.8 TS% and 52.4%).
Rerisen wrote:What could become a great combo for the Bulls that you would lose trading Taj is:
Gasol
Taj
Frontline. This brings you more offense than Noah/Taj, while letting Pau Gasol play what is his real position at this stage in his career.
If we can get that together in the 2nd unit, it will probably bludgeon teams, perhaps even more than the old bench mob.
The Cleveland Cavaliers, Chicago Bulls and Golden State Warriors are interested in trading for Love, but no deal is expected to be complete until at least the middle of August.
