Every year there's a PG whose the next best thing, so....

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Whose the next best PG?

Dante Exum
109
33%
Marcus Smart
66
20%
Tyler Ennis
8
2%
Elfrid Payton
117
35%
Shabaz Napier
13
4%
Other
22
7%
 
Total votes: 335

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Re: Every year there's a PG whose the next best thing, so... 

Post#141 » by spaceballer » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:26 am

Transistor wrote:whose next? (if any). I'm not saying any of the hype is unwarranted but for the past several years, a new PG comes up whose the next best thing. It's currently the most talented and deepest position in the league, but will that continue? Has last year and this year marked the decline in this trend or is it too early to tell?


The trend will probably continue for the foreseeable future with no decline. This is due to the inherent differences between guards vs. bigs, and because of changes in the league created by the new hand-check rules.

Bigs typically take longer to develop. Even Lebron took a while to grow into his wideset frame if you look at his rookie pictures compared to now. Just like Anthony Davis clearly had room for muscle growth to fill in his frame during his rookie year.

When you look at the improvement curves of bigs, they tend to peak at a later point than the league average. This is due to the fact that bigs can be partly selected for their size and potential more than outright skill initially, in the size vs. skill trade off. So it takes bigs longer to polish and grow their skill, compared to their more skilled guard brethren who depend on skill to differentiate themselves instead of height (since the selection pool for guards is larger than the talent pool for bigs, because there's a lower barrier to entry based on height).

And then, you have the changes in hand-checking rules that now favor penetrating and scoring guards, removing the ease with which defenders could put pressure on them in earlier eras without being called for fouls due to the change in hand-checking rules. Thus, the rise of scoring guards means that many SG's can be shoehorned into the PG role. And you even have two PG lineups and small ball being run, in order to find playtime for them and to maximize the benefit of the more favorable handchecking rules.

And finally, you have the fact that guard play is inherently more dynamic, whether it's movement based penetration, ball whipping passes, or bombing from deep. So they're more likely to get more accolades and attention than bigs, especially early in their careers at the same comparable point of development.
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Re: Every year there's a PG whose the next best thing, so... 

Post#142 » by basketballRob » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:28 am

Zombiesonics wrote:
RIPskaterdude wrote:Ray Mccallum

This is a real ass post. Mccallum has more tools than any of these other guards you people wet pants for. he above average ATH and size. a coaches son who lives in the film room. very very under the radar.

Also its laughable all the mofos trashing napier after 1 summer league. he isn't the next big thing but keep sleeping. guy does it all and is adjusting to the nba pace. a valuable piece to a team


Payton is younger and much bigger than Mccallum.
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Re: Every year there's a PG whose the next best thing, so... 

Post#143 » by Mich3006 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:15 am

Elfrid Payton will do business alongside Oladipo, interesting to see a "typhoon" growing in Orlando...

And by the way, the most improved PG will be Jeff Teague this year imo, he´ll take the next step with Al Horford and Thabo Sefolosha in their team!
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Re: Every year there's a PG whose the next best thing, so... 

Post#144 » by marcusaurelius » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:07 pm

Depending upon how many minutes he gets, I think that Smart will surprise on the upside because he is different than the vast majority of prospects. He is a bulldog, physical defender.

The NBA is really soft anymore, especially at PG. Overall, there really just isn't that much defense played, especially in the regular season. I think that his style will just really annoy people and get them out of their comfort zones. And then they won't be as efficient as they usually are.

I also think that he is a more competent ball handler/distributor than most people think, and that his shooting will be ok by the end of the year.
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Re: Every year there's a PG whose the next best thing, so... 

Post#145 » by StreetsDisciple » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:57 pm

Dante Exum. Definitely. Really fun guy to watch and has star level talent and potential. He showed that during his Summer League stint.
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