NBA ChoK16 - the Rich Cho Thread

[mrknowitall215]

I wouldn't consider Lance Stephenson a 'top-5 SG' but that's neither here nor there in this topic of discussion. Kudos to Cho for drawing up a offer to Stephenson that keep whatever he's planning in 2016 alive

to be fair, the complete lack of talent at the shooting guard position might make him actually top 5. if we assume wade and kobe are on their last legs and skip them there isn't a lot of talent left. not saying stephenson is even all star material or anything but the position is pretty lackluster right now

I'm well aware of how lackluster the shooting guard position is, but I still wouldn't consider Stephenson 'top-5' at his respective position. Maybe Stephenson will have a breakthrough this upcoming season that may put him legitimately in that conversation for me though

[SWedd523]

I wouldn't consider Lance Stephenson a 'top-5 SG' but that's neither here nor there in this topic of discussion. Kudos to Cho for drawing up a offer to Stephenson that keep whatever he's planning in 2016 alive

to be fair, the complete lack of talent at the shooting guard position might make him actually top 5. if we assume wade and kobe are on their last legs and skip them there isn't a lot of talent left. not saying stephenson is even all star material or anything but the position is pretty lackluster right now

I'm well aware of how lackluster the shooting guard position is, but I still wouldn't consider Stephenson 'top-5' at his respective position. Maybe Stephenson will have a breakthrough this upcoming season that may put him legitimately in that conversation for me though

Do please share your top 5 SG list

[HornetJail]

I wouldn't consider Lance Stephenson a 'top-5 SG' but that's neither here nor there in this topic of discussion. Kudos to Cho for drawing up a offer to Stephenson that keep whatever he's planning in 2016 alive

to be fair, the complete lack of talent at the shooting guard position might make him actually top 5. if we assume wade and kobe are on their last legs and skip them there isn't a lot of talent left. not saying stephenson is even all star material or anything but the position is pretty lackluster right now

I'm well aware of how lackluster the shooting guard position is, but I still wouldn't consider Stephenson 'top-5' at his respective position. Maybe Stephenson will have a breakthrough this upcoming season that may put him legitimately in that conversation for me though

Who's over him?

Obviously Harden, but after that there's a ton of question marks: Kobe (old and injured), Wade (old and even more injured), Arron Afflalo, Demar Derozan, Klay Thompson, Manu Ginobili, Andre Iguodala, Bradley Beal? I think you can make strong cases for Lance over each one of those names.

[mrknowitall215]

Do please share your top 5 SG list

...in no particular order, my top 5 are...

Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Demar DeRozan
Manu Ginobili

...and then I feel like Klay Thompson, Joe Johnson, Wesley Matthews, and Monta Ellis are slightly and arguably better in my opinion

[yosemiteben]

Manu Ginobili

[HornetJail]

Do please share your top 5 SG list

...in no particular order, my top 5 are...

Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Demar DeRozan
Manu Ginobili

...and then I feel like Klay Thompson, Joe Johnson, Wesley Matthews, and Monta Ellis are slightly and arguably better in my opinion

If your opinion of Lance Stephenson, BrotherDave's opinion of Big Al, and MasterIchiro's opinion of MKG were all correct, we would be worse than Milwaukee next season.

[mrknowitall215]

Do please share your top 5 SG list

...in no particular order, my top 5 are...

Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Demar DeRozan
Manu Ginobili

...and then I feel like Klay Thompson, Joe Johnson, Wesley Matthews, and Monta Ellis are slightly and arguably better in my opinion

If your opinion of Lance Stephenson, BrotherDave's opinion of Big Al, and MasterIchiro's opinion of MKG were all correct, we would be worse than Milwaukee next season.

Where did I badmouth Stephenson? I was one of the biggest proponents for signing him. I don't get what you're saying. I also just said in a recent post that I could see him leapfrogging into a top-5 shooting guard as soon as this upcoming season, but I just don't currently view him as such

[mrknowitall215]

Manu Ginobili

I don't think you understand how productive, valuable, and efficient Ginobili is in his limited minutes these days due to his old age. He average almost identical numbers to Stephenson in almost 12 minutes (a whole quarter) less minutes per game

[yosemiteben]

Manu Ginobili

I don't think you understand how productive, valuable, and efficient Ginobili is in his limited minutes these days due to his old age. He average almost identical numbers to Stephenson in almost 12 minutes (a whole quarter) less minutes per game

A top 5 SG shouldn't need to be limited to playing 23 MPG. I can't hop on that train.

You think a 37 year old Manu Ginobli playing 22 MPG next season is going to be a top 5 SG in the NBA?

[mrknowitall215]

I don't think you understand how productive, valuable, and efficient Ginobili is in his limited minutes these days due to his old age. He average almost identical numbers to Stephenson in almost 12 minutes (a whole quarter) less minutes per game

A top 5 SG shouldn't need to be limited to playing 23 MPG. I can't hop on that train.

You think a 37 year old Manu Ginobli playing 22 MPG next season is going to be a top 5 SG in the NBA?

To me he is, and will continue to be as long as he continue to post a +20 PER annually and the shooting guard position in the NBA has a scarce crop of talent at the top. It's just my opinion. I could care less if you disagree. I'd laugh at any one who actually think Stephenson is better than Ginoblili just because he had one good season that isn't any better than Ginobili's worst season in a decade worth of championship contending seasons

[Hornet Mania]

It's not that crazy to say Lance isn't a lock for the top 5 at his position. I think he's certainly in the mix, I'd probably put him 4th or 5th, but let's see him break out this year for us before we crown him. Harden, Klay (surprised he hadn't been mentioned), Beal, Derozan, Wade, potentially Kobe with new German-cyborg knees, and yeah even Ginobli in his limited minutes are worth considering. Not to mention rock-solid guys with no headcase baggage like Afflalo and Wes Matthews. Lance's talent surpasses all but a couple of guys on that list though.

I think Lance can solidy his position this season if he plays the way we all expect. The interesting thing about the other top SGs in the league at the moment is that most are not two-way players. If Lance can put up the point totals of a primary perimeter scorer while maintaining elite defense that's going to propel him up the list in a hurry. He'll certainly have the opportunity to showcase, I hope he seizes it.

[yosemiteben]

I don't think you understand how productive, valuable, and efficient Ginobili is in his limited minutes these days due to his old age. He average almost identical numbers to Stephenson in almost 12 minutes (a whole quarter) less minutes per game

A top 5 SG shouldn't need to be limited to playing 23 MPG. I can't hop on that train.

You think a 37 year old Manu Ginobli playing 22 MPG next season is going to be a top 5 SG in the NBA?

To me he is, and will continue to be as long as he continue to post a +20 PER annually and the shooting guard position in the NBA has a scarce crop of talent at the top. It's just my opinion. I could care less if you disagree. I'd laugh at any one who actually think Stephenson is better than Ginoblili just because he had one good season that isn't any better than Ginobili's worst season in a decade worth of championship contending seasons

I didn't mention Lance. I just find it comical that a top 5 player at his position would average less than half of his team's minutes at that position.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

IMHO Lance is a top 15 guy. He is probably the top defensive SG. He has the potential to be a top 5 guy overall, but he's going to have to shoe it first.

[Elden Payton]

Lance is there or there abouts.

What place exactly is up for debate, but he's sure as hell better than Hendo.

That's A.O.K. in my book.

[UNCNYC]

Do please share your top 5 SG list

...in no particular order, my top 5 are...

Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Demar DeRozan
Manu Ginobili

...and then I feel like Klay Thompson, Joe Johnson, Wesley Matthews, and Monta Ellis are slightly and arguably better in my opinion

Forgot about BEAL

[predators]

No sarcastic mentions of Lamb you guys are slacking.

[BlackOutBuzz]

The SG position is just so bad right now. Healthy Wade and Kobe would be 1-2, but we may never see either again. I don't like James anti-MKG Harden nearly as much as most, but he's in the conversation basically by default. Joe Johnson treads the overrated/underrated line almost constantly, but should be considered top 5 IMO. After that it's a mess:

Lance, Manu, DeRozan, Klay, Ellis and others all have an argument.

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[mrknowitall215]

Do please share your top 5 SG list

...in no particular order, my top 5 are...

Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Demar DeRozan
Manu Ginobili

...and then I feel like Klay Thompson, Joe Johnson, Wesley Matthews, and Monta Ellis are slightly and arguably better in my opinion

Forgot about BEAL

No. I'm not a big Bradley Beal fan. I'd probably put Beal on the same tier as Stephenson, but I happen to view Stephenson as being a little better, but I wouldn't argue with anyone that think Beal is better because it's very debatable

[gamer4Life]

http://oldnorthbanter.com/2014/07/30/re ... on-season/

[Liver_Pooty]

http://oldnorthbanter.com/2014/07/30/restoring-confidence-rich-cho-won-season/

A decent read, but I have a problem with this paragraph

Then came free agency. Cho had enough cap room to offer a max deal, but he really wanted more flexibility than that. I think the Cho front office identified Lance Stephenson as a target early, when Indiana proved reluctant to move mountains to keep him. With the idea that Stephenson could be had at a bargain price, Cho took a shot at Gordon Hayward with max money. The Jazz matched.

Im honestly not sure that Stephenson was even on our radar at the beginning. I know that some media guys stated that we are, but that was more than likely just them stating that we were because he fit such a need on our roster. We went all out for Hayward, struck out, stayed patient and landed Stephenson. I think Cho has done, for the most part a marvelous job in his tenure here. This season we are looking at a potential 50 win + team with 3, maybe 4 players in our starting lineup that aren't even 24 years old yet.

Thats impressive.