The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[DirtyDez]

I'm not a seasoned drinker but anything over a .2 for a guy that big is taking a breathalyzer right after chugging a fifth I'm guessing. Would he have been forced to take a blood test had he declined the breathalyzer?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Come on PJ gotta be smarter than that. If he was a normal person hed be looking at 30 days in the tents and some additional ankle bracelet time. Wonder what he'll get.

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[Saberestar]

.222 is tore up. It takes a lot of drinks to get a 6'6" 230 lbs guy to that level.

Yeah that's got to be close to 20 drinks.

Tucker told the officer that he was coming from the W Scottsdale Hotel, where he had one beer.

One keg of beer

MotherTucker!

[Sunsdeuce]

What the? Tucker, this guy was suppose to be the example setter. Never really liked him in the first place but I congratulated him on his hard work and new contract. But he Easily could have killed someone!

So what punishment comes from this from both criminal and NBA?


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[JDLAW]

I'm aware we own his Bird Rights. I'm talking about if we worked out a deal in which we did a S&T with Beldsoe maxed out.

Bird rights have nothing to do with it. Cannot do S&Ts for the current team's max under the new CBA. The best S&T Bledsoe can get is 4 and 63 under the new CBA. He cannot get the higher raise or the extra year in a S&T deal. This holds true even if he is an unrestricted free agent in a S&T deal.

Could you show me the actual wording? I was not aware of this.

Teams benefit because they can get something in return for players they would otherwise lose to free agency. For players the benefits are limited. Under previous CBAs a player who qualified could receive a full Bird contract and go to the team of his choice, which encouraged the player to seek a sign-and-trade once he decided to play elsewhere. Under the current CBA a player receives the same contract via sign-and-trade (four years, 4.5% raises) that he could get by signing with his new team directly, and can receive a larger Bird contract only if he stays with his previous team. In addition, it is much simpler for the player to sign directly with his new team, as a sign-and-trade has to be agreed to by three parties rather than two. A player is really only forced to seek a sign-and-trade if he wants to go to a team that is capped-out (or doesn't have enough cap room to give the player his full starting salary) and can't sign him directly.

[Sunsdeuce]

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This offseason has to be stressing the hell out of the suns FO.

[lilfishi22]

Teams benefit because they can get something in return for players they would otherwise lose to free agency. For players the benefits are limited. Under previous CBAs a player who qualified could receive a full Bird contract and go to the team of his choice, which encouraged the player to seek a sign-and-trade once he decided to play elsewhere. Under the current CBA a player receives the same contract via sign-and-trade (four years, 4.5% raises) that he could get by signing with his new team directly, and can receive a larger Bird contract only if he stays with his previous team. In addition, it is much simpler for the player to sign directly with his new team, as a sign-and-trade has to be agreed to by three parties rather than two. A player is really only forced to seek a sign-and-trade if he wants to go to a team that is capped-out (or doesn't have enough cap room to give the player his full starting salary) and can't sign him directly.

Thanks JDLAW

[phx#7]

Could you show me the actual wording? I was not aware of this.

It was changed with the last CBA to give the retaining team greater leverage for retaining stars, since star players can no longer have their cake and eat it too as they force themselves out of town.

A sign-and-trade deal can be made with a free agent who has been renounced, as long as all the above criteria are met. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for at least three seasons (not including any option year) and no longer than four seasons.

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The starting salary in a contract signed for a sign-and-trade may be any amount up to the player's maximum, however if the player meets the 5th Year 30% Max criteria (see question number 17) he cannot receive a salary greater than 25% of the cap. Raises are limited to 4.5%.

This is why Dwight signed with Houston last year instead of working a S&T the way LeBron and Bosh did when they went to Miami.

[bwgood77]

I'm aware we own his Bird Rights. I'm talking about if we worked out a deal in which we did a S&T with Beldsoe maxed out.

Bird rights have nothing to do with it. Cannot do S&Ts for the current team's max under the new CBA. The best S&T Bledsoe can get is 4 and 63 under the new CBA. He cannot get the higher raise or the extra year in a S&T deal. This holds true even if he is an unrestricted free agent in a S&T deal.

Could you show me the actual wording? I was not aware of this.

In the thread I posted at the top of the page in the Announcement section viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1333734 Larry Coon's breakdown of the CBA is there...you can probably find the answer there...I think I did at one point.

Question #93

[JDLAW]

Come on PJ gotta be smarter than that. If he was a normal person hed be looking at 30 days in the tents and some additional ankle bracelet time. Wonder what he'll get.

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Maricopa County has different pleas for different levels of DUI assuming no property damage or personal injury, which is what appears to be the case here. The county atty does not make exceptions for professional athletes. He might hire an atty to challenge the blood or breathalyzer evidence, but because they have both, it is unlikely he can beat this.

For his level of intoxication, he'll get 30 days jail none of it will be suspended. A simple DUI at .08 first time offender w/o aggravating factors gets 10 days jail - 9 of which are suspended. Tucker might be able to work a deal where he spends his time on weekends and defer some of it to next year.

He will pay a number of surcharges and screening (substance abuse) that will amount to about $4-5K and he'll lose his license for at least 6 months -possibly a year. There will be an ignition interlock on all of his vehicles.

DUIs are expensive in AZ, even for a simple one. The message is do not do it.

[Sunsdeuce]

Come on PJ gotta be smarter than that. If he was a normal person hed be looking at 30 days in the tents and some additional ankle bracelet time. Wonder what he'll get.

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Maricopa County has different pleas for different levels of DUI assuming no property damage or personal injury, which is what appears to be the case here. The county atty does not make exceptions for professional athletes. He might hire an atty to challenge the blood or breathalyzer evidence, but because they have both, it is unlikely he can beat this.

For his level of intoxication, he'll get 30 days jail none of it will be suspended. A simple DUI at .08 first time offender w/o aggravating factors gets 10 days jail - 9 of which are suspended. Tucker might be able to work a deal where he spends his time on weekends and defer some of it to next year.

He will pay a number of surcharges and screening (substance abuse) that will amount to about $4-5K and he'll lose his license for at least 6 months -possibly a year. There will be an ignition interlock on all of his vehicles.

DUIs are expensive in AZ, even for a simple one. The message is do not do it.

And the punishment is correct as far as criminal but you got to wonder what suns/nba have in mind as well.


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[JDLAW]

I'm not a seasoned drinker but anything over a .2 for a guy that big is taking a breathalyzer right after chugging a fifth I'm guessing. Would he have been forced to take a blood test had he declined the breathalyzer?

He could be. In AZ there is implied consent for breathalyzer and blood if the driver appears intoxicated. Failure to cooperate means loss of license and ultimately they will get the blood draw.

I have no idea how much he drank, but it is a lot. What I am surprised about is someone let him get that way and get behind the wheel. If he was in a bar, they can lose a license if they continue to serve intoxicated patrons and if he was with friends at a private party, there is no way they should have let him behind the wheel.

The bottom line is that people can become very intoxicated when they party and no one should pass judgment for that. Where it crosses over is when they get behind the wheel. No one, even a stranger, if they view a person in this condition should let them get into a car and drive.

[Jdiddy701]

PJ will learn from it and will apologize for it. It won't happen again.

Nothing big.
TJ Warren will probably start first 2 games then might stay in that starting position like Markieff was suppose to. You never know. could be a good thing.

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[JDLAW]

PJ will learn from it and will apologize for it. It won't happen again.

Nothing big.
TJ Warren will probably start first 2 games then might stay in that starting position like Markieff was suppose to. You never know. could be a good thing.

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I understand you're trying to put this in the best possible light, but there is nothing good about a severely inebriated person behind the wheel of a 5000 pound car.

[Sunsdeuce]

I'm not a seasoned drinker but anything over a .2 for a guy that big is taking a breathalyzer right after chugging a fifth I'm guessing. Would he have been forced to take a blood test had he declined the breathalyzer?

He could be. In AZ there is implied consent for breathalyzer and blood if the driver appears intoxicated. Failure to cooperate means loss of license and ultimately they will get the blood draw.

I have no idea how much he drank, but it is a lot. What I am surprised about is someone let him get that way and get behind the wheel. If he was in a bar, they can lose a license if they continue to serve intoxicated patrons and if he was with friends at a private party, there is no way they should have let him behind the wheel.

The bottom line is that people can become very intoxicated when they party and no one should pass judgment for that. Where it crosses over is when they get behind the wheel. No one, even a stranger, if they view a person in this condition should let them get into a car and drive.

I took the week long breathalyzer course. Anyway, the third day, half the class drinks and the other half tests. I drank and on my forth shot I came up with a .08. On average 3-4 drinks put you up to .08. Also I would have gone up a bit if they waited about 30 mins. So .20 is a lot of drinks. There are two different breathalyzers police use. The hand held on scene (which is not admissible in court but helps police to determine what level) and the scientific breathalyzer which is located at the station (intoxilyzer 5000/6000), which is used in court. If he blows over .08 on the 5000/6000, he is done. It's a very big deal to blow .20, reckless, stupid, and it's carelessly endangering lives.

Anyway, People have died from alcohol poisoning at around .30.

Basically he had a very large amount of alcohol.


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[Jdiddy701]

PJ will learn from it and will apologize for it. It won't happen again.

Nothing big.
TJ Warren will probably start first 2 games then might stay in that starting position like Markieff was suppose to. You never know. could be a good thing.

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I understand you're trying to put this in the best possible light, but there is nothing good about a severely inebriated person behind the wheel of a 5000 pound car.

Not saying anything about the crime, more like if someone will learn from their mistake it's going to be PJ. If you guys think this can be an ongoing thing with him, you're wrong. Terrible decision on his part but this behavior from him won't happen again. He will get suspended.


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[JDLAW]

I'm not a seasoned drinker but anything over a .2 for a guy that big is taking a breathalyzer right after chugging a fifth I'm guessing. Would he have been forced to take a blood test had he declined the breathalyzer?

He could be. In AZ there is implied consent for breathalyzer and blood if the driver appears intoxicated. Failure to cooperate means loss of license and ultimately they will get the blood draw.

I have no idea how much he drank, but it is a lot. What I am surprised about is someone let him get that way and get behind the wheel. If he was in a bar, they can lose a license if they continue to serve intoxicated patrons and if he was with friends at a private party, there is no way they should have let him behind the wheel.

The bottom line is that people can become very intoxicated when they party and no one should pass judgment for that. Where it crosses over is when they get behind the wheel. No one, even a stranger, if they view a person in this condition should let them get into a car and drive.

I took the week long breathalyzer course. Anyway, the third day, half the class drinks and the other half tests. I drank and on my forth shot I came up with a .008. On average 3-4 drinks put you up to .008. Also I would have gone up a bit if they waited about 30 mins. So .200 is a lot of drinks. There are two different breathalyzers police use. The hand held on scene (which is not admissible in court but helps police to determine what level) and the scientific breathalyzer which is located at the station (intoxilyzer 5000/6000), which is used in court. If he blows over .008 on the 5000/6000, he is done. It's a very big deal to blow .200.

Anyway, People have died from alcohol poisoning at around .300.

Basically he had a very large amount of alcohol.


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I think you slipped a decimal you were up to the legal limit of .08 afar 4 shots. Just extrapolating, you'd have to drink about 10 shots to get to .20 - and this is for you. I suspect Tucker is bigger and heavier than you are. You are correct in that it can go up after a period of time because the alcohol in the gut can get absorbed into the blood stream.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Come on PJ gotta be smarter than that. If he was a normal person hed be looking at 30 days in the tents and some additional ankle bracelet time. Wonder what he'll get.

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Maricopa County has different pleas for different levels of DUI assuming no property damage or personal injury, which is what appears to be the case here. The county atty does not make exceptions for professional athletes. He might hire an atty to challenge the blood or breathalyzer evidence, but because they have both, it is unlikely he can beat this.

For his level of intoxication, he'll get 30 days jail none of it will be suspended. A simple DUI at .08 first time offender w/o aggravating factors gets 10 days jail - 9 of which are suspended. Tucker might be able to work a deal where he spends his time on weekends and defer some of it to next year.

He will pay a number of surcharges and screening (substance abuse) that will amount to about $4-5K and he'll lose his license for at least 6 months -possibly a year. There will be an ignition interlock on all of his vehicles.

DUIs are expensive in AZ, even for a simple one. The message is do not do it.

no doubt that AZ is one of the tougher in the country for dui laws.

If they stick to the super extreme then he's looking at 45 days and while that won't be suspended he would get work release 5 or 6 days a week for 12 hours a day. That 45 days would be a combo of tent city and house arrest.

He might get it dropped to a regular extreme dui if is blood was close the .2 limit. At that point he's looking at 30 days of the work release/house arrest combo.

I would think he pleads this out pretty quickly and does his time before the season. Hot time of year to be in the tents. Would think he gets a few games suspension from the league.

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[Sunsdeuce]

He could be. In AZ there is implied consent for breathalyzer and blood if the driver appears intoxicated. Failure to cooperate means loss of license and ultimately they will get the blood draw.

I have no idea how much he drank, but it is a lot. What I am surprised about is someone let him get that way and get behind the wheel. If he was in a bar, they can lose a license if they continue to serve intoxicated patrons and if he was with friends at a private party, there is no way they should have let him behind the wheel.

The bottom line is that people can become very intoxicated when they party and no one should pass judgment for that. Where it crosses over is when they get behind the wheel. No one, even a stranger, if they view a person in this condition should let them get into a car and drive.

I took the week long breathalyzer course. Anyway, the third day, half the class drinks and the other half tests. I drank and on my forth shot I came up with a .008. On average 3-4 drinks put you up to .008. Also I would have gone up a bit if they waited about 30 mins. So .200 is a lot of drinks. There are two different breathalyzers police use. The hand held on scene (which is not admissible in court but helps police to determine what level) and the scientific breathalyzer which is located at the station (intoxilyzer 5000/6000), which is used in court. If he blows over .008 on the 5000/6000, he is done. It's a very big deal to blow .200.

Anyway, People have died from alcohol poisoning at around .300.

Basically he had a very large amount of alcohol.


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I think you slipped a decimal you were up to the legal limit of .08 afar 4 shots. Just extrapolating, you'd have to drink about 10 shots to get to .20 - and this is for you. I suspect Tucker is bigger and heavier than you are. You are correct in that it can go up after a period of time because the alcohol in the gut can get absorbed into the blood stream.

Damn, your right. Did slip up on the decimal. Watching tv and typing on my iphone. Good catch. And yes tucker does out weigh me.

[bwgood77]

I'm not a seasoned drinker but anything over a .2 for a guy that big is taking a breathalyzer right after chugging a fifth I'm guessing. Would he have been forced to take a blood test had he declined the breathalyzer?

Believe me, it would be more like 2 fifths.