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[fatlever]

final playoff stats

kemba 19.5ppg, 6.0apg, 47.3%fg, 20.1per
- this series made me feel really good about kemba heading into next season. his only weak spot in the series was the the increased turnover. i always had a little doubt about kemba until i could see what he did in a playoff series. now i know.

jefferson 18.7ppg, 9.0rbg, 49%fg, 19.7per
- not half bad for a guy on one leg. we will never really know what al could have done fully healthy

henderson 9.8ppg, 4rpg, 37.8%, 8.4per
- i will give henderson some credit for doing an admirable job defending lebron for stretches, but that is where the praise ends. he was a massive disappointment offensively and made too many costly turnovers.

mcroberts 11.5ppg, 6.5rpg, 45.5%fg, 13.1per
- josh was one of the few players who seemed to embrace the moment. he did not back down from anyone all series and was really the only player on the team who played with toughness every game. he deserves a lot of respect from our fans.

kidd-gilchrist 8.5ppg, 6.5rpg, 51.9%fg, 12.3per
- his overall averages are similar to his regular season averages, but that doesnt tell the whole story. he had his best game of the season during the series. however, he also had an awful game and a lot of dumb fouls that should have been avoided

douglas-roberts 9.5ppg, 68.8%fg, 19.2per
- cdr put up the best per 36 numbers on the team. it was unfair to ask him to defend lebron straight up. would this series be different if cdr and henderson traded roles? no doubt cdr easily outplayed henderson on offense. bringing hendo off the bench also would have allowed him to be more aggressive defending lebron when mkg was out.

zeller 2.0ppg, 2.3rpg, 30.8%fg, 7.0per
- hard to argue that zeller was the worst player during the playoffs. he probably didnt deserve to play any minutes after his first 2 games. does this erase all the progress he made in the 2nd half of the season?

neal 11.3ppg, 35.3fg%. 3.6per
- clifford stubbornly stayed with neal even as he proved to be a negative on both ends. neal made some tough shots and scored decently in games 1 and 4, but never enough to offset his bad stretches, poor shot selection and awful defense.

in retrospect, cdr, tolliver and biyombo should have played more minutes and henderson, neal and zeller should have played less.

[mrknowitall215]

The Good

Kemba Walker: 19.5 PPG (47 FG%, 50 3P%), 6.0 APG, 20.2 PER

Al Jefferson: 18.7 PPG, 9.3 RPG, 19.8 PER

Chris Douglas-Roberts: 19.5 PPG per 36 (68 FG%), 19.2 PER, .857 TS%

The Bad

Not much bad...but a lot of average to slightly above average (McRoberts, MKG, Biyombo)

The Ugly

Gerald Henderson: 9.8 PPG (38 FG%, 0 3P%), 8.4 PER

Gary Neal: 3.7 PER

Cody Zeller: 2.0 PPG (33 FG%), 7.0 PER

[DY_nasty]

Zeller being matched up with two of the 'grittiest' 6hardfoul goons in the league during the playoffs is going to good for him in the long run. Learning this lesson now is the best thing he could've asked for. He'll never be surprised by that kind of play for the rest of his career.

[Bassman]

Zeller being matched up with two of the 'grittiest' 6hardfoul goons in the league during the playoffs is going to good for him in the long run. Learning this lesson now is the best thing he could've asked for. He'll never be surprised by that kind of play for the rest of his career.

Zeller knew he had to adapt during the season and he did grow as a rookie toward the latter stages. His playoff performance demonstrated how big a gap he has to make up both physically and mentally. It is a good experience for him. The question is...does he have the frame and chemistry to add the strength/weight necessary to compete? If he can ever get a rebiable jump shot that will help a lot. He has the mechanics to get this done. I'm not sure he will ever be able to finish well at the rim against defenders. It seems he has no lift, but I think it is that he has no explosiveness in his vertical attack. Defenders have too much time to read and react to his dunk attempts. That is in part genetics, but extra strength will help.

Great info Fats...thanks.

[yosemiteben]

Check this out.

Only 22 players in the NBA averaged 2 or more FGAs in the final five minutes when their team was ahead or behind by 5 points or less. Of those, Kemba averaged the 8th most attempts and Al averaged the 10th most attempts. Unfortunately, of those 22, Kemba's FG% is only ranked 18th while Al's is ranked 6th.

No other team in the NBA has two players averaging 2 or more FGAs in this context, except for Durant and Westbrook for the Thunder.

Just thought those stats were interesting.

[yosemiteben]

Last season the Bobcats's two point FG defense was the fifth best in the NBA - we held teams to 46.8% shooting on two point field goals, essentially tied with the Thunder and the Spurs.

By contrast, last season the Bobcats's three point FG defense was ranked 24th - we allowed teams to shoot 36.9% from three.

[LamarMatic7]

For the people who for some reason mock three-point shooting (I honestly don't understand what's up with all the #spacing jokes)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/07/2 ... a-premium/

There's a clear correlation between making threes and having a good offense.

[Snidely FC]

This is why I'm still mooning over not picking McDermott.
While many downplay their importance to the team, subtracting McRoberts, CDR and Tolliver this offeseason will see our 3 pt % go down this year.
Maybe Roberts and Marvin will help.

[EwingSweatsALot]

For the people who for some reason mock three-point shooting (I honestly don't understand what's up with all the #spacing jokes)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/07/2 ... a-premium/

There's a clear correlation between making threes and having a good offense.

Good stuff Lamar.

I looked at the correlation to this, and nothing really jumped out, everything is pretty much around an average positive correlation.

The one thing that I guess stood out the most was that Opponent's 3P% is creeping up on a high negative correlation to a teams wins. It actually has a stronger correlation than a teams 3P% to their wins. In the NBA where offense has started to become more important, defending the 3 is just a little more important to winning games than making them is.

[mrknowitall215]

While many downplay their importance to the team, subtracting McRoberts, CDR and Tolliver this offseason will see our 3 pt % go down this year.

This...

[EwingSweatsALot]

While many downplay their importance to the team, subtracting McRoberts, CDR and Tolliver this offseason will see our 3 pt % go down this year.

This...

This is one reason why I think we only win 1-2 games more than we did last year. We upgraded overall talent but lost out on a key component to win games.

[yosemiteben]

For the people who for some reason mock three-point shooting (I honestly don't understand what's up with all the #spacing jokes)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/07/2 ... a-premium/

There's a clear correlation between making threes and having a good offense.

Funny how there's uniform mockery of Hendo for his inability to consistently take and make 3's, but somehow we act like spacing is not an important part of the offense.

[mrknowitall215]

While many downplay their importance to the team, subtracting McRoberts, CDR and Tolliver this offseason will see our 3 pt % go down this year.

This...

This is one reason why I think we only win 1-2 games more than we did last year. We upgraded overall talent but lost out on a key component to win games.

For at least continuity purposes, I thought 2 out of the 3 would've returned, and even just retaining 1 of them would've spelled a good deed, but losing out on all 3 of our best perimeter shooters could be detrimental

I'm still holding out optimism that we'll win a roundabout of 50 games, but I'm certainly aware of your concern

[yosemiteben]

While many downplay their importance to the team, subtracting McRoberts, CDR and Tolliver this offseason will see our 3 pt % go down this year.

This...

This is one reason why I think we only win 1-2 games more than we did last year. We upgraded overall talent but lost out on a key component to win games.

Well Marvin just about equals McRoberts and Tolliver just racked up DNP's while we made our run down the stretch. Post-All Star (when we actually started winning games) Tolliver was 36% from three, solid but not great. CDR averaged 1 three per game.

I think any bit we lose could be made up by Kemba being able to hit 3's at a respectable %. I'm optimistic that the acquisition of Lance will lead to a dramatic increase in Kemba's shooting efficiency.

[LamarMatic7]

Well Marvin just about equals McRoberts and Tolliver just racked up DNP's while we made our run down the stretch. Post-All Star (when we actually started winning games) Tolliver was 36% from three, solid but not great. CDR averaged 1 three per game.

The percentages don't matter in this equation (unless they were extremely in Marvin's favor). What matters is that we acquired one three point shooter and lost three.

Per example, CDR and Tolliver on the court at the same time help our court spacing much more than Marvin + a non-shooter (let's say Hendo) would. Marv isn't good enough to push the needle by himself.

[yosemiteben]

Well Marvin just about equals McRoberts and Tolliver just racked up DNP's while we made our run down the stretch. Post-All Star (when we actually started winning games) Tolliver was 36% from three, solid but not great. CDR averaged 1 three per game.

The percentages don't matter in this equation (unless they were extremely in Marvin's favor). What matters is that we acquired one three point shooter and lost three.

Per example, CDR and Tolliver on the court at the same time help our court spacing much more than Marvin + a non-shooter (let's say Hendo) would. Marv isn't good enough to push the needle by himself.

82games.com tells me that CDR and Tolliver virtually never played together, so not sure about the relevance of that.

[HornetJail]

By contrast, last season the Bobcats's three point FG defense was ranked 24th - we allowed teams to shoot 36.9% from three.

This will change significantly. With MKG another year older, and now Lance Stephenson and Marvin Williams stepping in on the perimeter, our perimeter defense is rock solid, not to mention Kemba, who can definitely hold his own though bigger guards can sometimes shoot over the top.

I'm more worried about our 3-point percentage.

Biz- has never taken a 3, probably should go his whole career without attempting one
MKG - Al is more of a 3-point threat than him
Al - not a 3-point threat
Zeller - not a 3-point threat yet though he's working on it
Vonleh - might shoot a few threes but I wouldn't expect even 30% right now
Jeff Taylor - has potential as a shooter, but has zero consistency and is likely to be very rusty
Hendo - shoots very few threes, makes them at a borderline-respectable rate
Messy Marv- at best, an average three-point shooter (shot 36% last season, career average 33.5%)
Lance- pretty much a similar 3P shooter to Marvin, numbers from deep are nearly identical, but he'll draw significantly more defensive attention
PJ - solid 3P shooter, but I can see him struggling with shot selection and consistency. Shot 36% from 3 in D-League. Expect below 35% this season
Kemba - good shooter, but not consistent yet from three. Career 32% though he's a serious threat from deep, definitely capable of being above 35%
Roberts - career 37% shooter from deep, shot 41.4% pre-All-Star break in 2013-14 but efficiency fell off a cliff when Holiday got hurt and he played heavy minutes.
Neal - shot 40.6% from 3 in 22 games for us last season, 42%, 42%, 35.5% in three seasons with SA, but too much of a liability everywhere else.
Pargo - best 3P shooter on the team but will only play garbage minutes all season. shot 12/23 from three in his only meaning minutes all season (when Kemba sprained his ankle).

Holy $#!@ we need shooters now. This team has worse spacing than it did early last season.
We lost:
McBob: 105 3PM on 36%
CDR: took 3s at a higher rate than McBob and shot 39%
Anthony Tolliver: made 3s at TWICE the rate of McBob/CDR and shot 41% including his huge March slump.

Our backup PG (whether that's Roberts or Pargo) could very well be the only player on the entire roster capable of shooting 35% from deep. That is dismal. Now I really wish we'd kept McBob, Tolliver, and CDR.

[JDR720]

I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the new guys shoots around 40% from deep, Tolly is just a career 35% 3pt shooter and CDR is 33%, playing with Al helped them a lot

My guess is Brian Roberts and Marvin both shoot around 40% and Neal will shoot around 40%

[BlackOutBuzz]

The #spacing thing is not an indictment on the 3, but more a reference to Clifford's valuing of shooting over defense - especially late in games - even though we were more consistent with MKG on the floor.

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[LamarMatic7]

Well Marvin just about equals McRoberts and Tolliver just racked up DNP's while we made our run down the stretch. Post-All Star (when we actually started winning games) Tolliver was 36% from three, solid but not great. CDR averaged 1 three per game.

The percentages don't matter in this equation (unless they were extremely in Marvin's favor). What matters is that we acquired one three point shooter and lost three.

Per example, CDR and Tolliver on the court at the same time help our court spacing much more than Marvin + a non-shooter (let's say Hendo) would. Marv isn't good enough to push the needle by himself.

82games.com tells me that CDR and Tolliver virtually never played together, so not sure about the relevance of that.

Virtually never played together? They accumulated 328 minutes in 32 games. That's damn much considering that Tolly was scrapped from the rotation towards the end of the season and that CDR only joined us in December. Tolliver is the sixth most used player alongside CDR.

Either way, that's besides the point. Williams isn't a great enough of a shooter to justify losing three other three-point threats.