Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4

[LyricalRico]

Also 2/6M for Jameer Nelson is a great signing for Dallas. Isn't that what we are paying for Miller?

I think we are paying him like 4.6 or something like that this year.

True, but don't forget that Nelson already has a few mil coming to him from his Orlando buyout. Had that not been the case, maybe he signs for more.

[closg00]

I am hopelessly out-of-touch, who the hell is Will Cherry? (Per the Tap)

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I am hopelessly out-of-touch, who the hell is Will Cherry? (Per the Tap)

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/will-cherry

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Wil ... mary/13470

I never heard of him either. Thanks to Google I found out he finished playing NCAA ball at Montana in 2013, and played last season in D league. He got tased and arrested last year. He is originally from Oakland. He is a smallish defensive point guard who apparently looked good in summer league.

His PER in summer league was 22.6. However, his D League PER was just 13.4 with pretty bad shooting.


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[hands11]

Looks like CLE is going to get Love.

Once they do, they will be a deep team and hard to beat.

Kyrie/Matthew Dellavedova
Martin/Dion Waiters/Ray Allen
LeBron/M Miller
Love/Tristian/Erik Murphy/Dwight Powell
Varejao/ and a center to be named in a trade using Haywoods contract.

They have playoff experienced players that played together in LeBron, Miller, Allen, Varejao
Varejao and LeBron played together

They should be able to gel pretty quickly all things being equal.

Their weakness is center and I expect them to do something there before the season starts.

Top of the East is going to be tough. The West has team that have played together longer but the talent is leveling out. Give that Rose returns to 70% of what he was. He really just has to be solid. He doesn't have to take over.

CLE
CHI
WIZ
TOR

Pretty tough top four. And ATL, CHA, NY, BRK have some talent as well. Even DET is better.

NY running the triangle is going to change how they play.
BRK might even be more balanced then last year and if Williams ankles are better
Even Boston has some interesting talent.

But teams with playoff experience get the edge. Wizards have 4 returning starters Wall, Beal, Nene, Gortat and they are adding PP and OttoMatic with a deeper front court. I expect Wall and Beal and produce and Wall should be ready for a break out year. So I like the Wizards even with more competition. They can handle TOR better this year. Last year I hated the match up.

But there are going to be some tough games.

[closg00]

LOL @ Blatch not having an offer currently.


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[LyricalRico]

LOL @ Blatch not having an offer currently.


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There's always Philly. After all, they are trying to lose games.

[nate33]

If Cleveland ends up trading Wiggins plus Bennett for Love, their next move should be to try and acquire Larry Sanders. I don't think Lebron's agent will let them include Thompson as trade filler though, so it might be hard.

I'd also like to see them trade Waiters for a 3&D specialist. They'd be deadly if they could get a guy like Afflalo or Ariza to guard opposing wings and take some of the pressure off of Lebron.

If they could swing it, the following team would be unbeatable:

PG Kyrie
SG Afflalo
SF Lebron
PF Love
C Sanders/Varejao

[LyricalRico]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Free agent guard Mo Williams is nearing an agreement with Minnesota, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. Twitter @WojYahooNBA

Another PG? The ghost of Kahn lives! LOL

An even more curious move, at least when it comes to the reason why:

The Minnesota Timberwolves have expressed interest in Philadelphia 76ers power forward Thaddeus Young as a potential replacement for Kevin Love, according to sources close to the situation.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Wolves, while continuing to discuss trade proposals that would send Love to the Cleveland Cavaliers, have been exploring their options for acquiring Young from the Sixers, either through a separate transaction or as part of an expanded Love trade.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11277 ... kevin-love

Still not sure what Flip is doing up there.

[I_Like_Dirt]

If Cleveland ends up trading Wiggins plus Bennett for Love, their next move should be to try and acquire Larry Sanders. I don't think Lebron's agent will let them include Thompson as trade filler though, so it might be hard.

I'd also like to see them trade Waiters for a 3&D specialist. They'd be deadly if they could get a guy like Afflalo or Ariza to guard opposing wings and take some of the pressure off of Lebron.

If they could swing it, the following team would be unbeatable:

PG Kyrie
SG Afflalo
SF Lebron
PF Love
C Sanders/Varejao

I think that the Cavs really should be calling the Bucks at this point. If the Bucks wanted out of Ilyasova's and Sanders' contracts, I bet the Cavs could get those guys for very little without having to move Wiggins for Love. I wouldn't use the word unbeatable for the team either way as I think the Spurs and maybe the Thunder have the firepower on both sides of the ball to grind them down with or without Love, but I think they'd still run over the east with:

Irving
Wiggins/Waiters
Lebron
Ilyasova/Thompson
Sanders/Varejao

Deeper, younger, still an NBA finalist, and doesn't put the franchise under Lebron's thumb quite as much.

[payitforward]

LOL @ Blatch not having an offer currently.

There's always Philly. After all, they are trying to lose games.

Not sure they're gonna have to try that hard!

[closg00]

Jeez, Wes Johnson gets rescued by the Lakers, I doubt anyone would have picked him up. OTOH EJ could be one of those late developing SF's.

[verbal8]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... py-Machine

Nets Sold Kyle Korver To Cover 2003 Summer League, Purchase Copy Machine
Jul 29, 2014 10:40 AM EDT


The then-New Jersey Nets picked Kyle Korver with the 51st overall selection in the 2003 NBA Draft and sold his draft rights to the Philadelphia 76ers for $125,000.

The cash covered the Nets' Summer League bill and they spent the leftover money on a new copy machine.

Where was EG in 2003?

Turns out he was selling second rounders for a different team:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/exe ... er01x.html:

June 26, 2003: Selected T.J. Ford (1st round, 8th pick) and Keith Bogans (2nd round, 43rd pick) in the 2003 NBA Draft.
June 26, 2003: Traded Keith Bogans to the Orlando Magic for cash.

[TGW]

Hey man, round trip tickets to Poland are expensive.

[LyricalRico]

Jeez, Wes Johnson gets rescued by the Lakers, I doubt anyone would have picked him up. OTOH EJ could be one of those late developing SF's.

I'll pull a Wilbon and say this move doesn't surprise me. They're pretty desperate for SF help at this point. I've even seen reports that they will try Boozer there.

I thought they might have gone after Marion, but I think they used the rest of their cap space on the Boozer bid. But if they didn't (or if they somehow have their "room" exception left) then he'd be a great fit there IMO.

[verbal8]

I thought they might have gone after Marion, but I think they used the rest of their cap space on the Boozer bid. But if they didn't (or if they somehow have their "room" exception left) then he'd be a great fit there IMO.

If I had to guess, I would say Houston would be the most likely destination for Marion. He apparently is planning to retire in Dallas, so staying in state for a good opportunity would make sense. If San Antonio has a chance to repeat, but they don't seem to have much playing time available. The Cavs and Grizzlies already got players(Miller and Carter) to provide depth at the forwards. It also helps that the Rockets have a sliver of cap space, although it may be that they plan to use it on a long deal for a younger player and then sign Marion.

[Nivek]

The NBA is a weird "market." Paul Pierce was a bit more productive per minute than Marion (Pierce's PPA was 131; Marion's 118). But, Marion was his usual healthy self -- 2400+ total minutes, which was about 300 more than Pierce played. And Marion can't find a team to hire him while Pierce gets full MLE.

On the minimum salary deal Marion ends up getting, he's going to be one of the biggest bargains in the league.

[fishercob]

The NBA is a weird "market." Paul Pierce was a bit more productive per minute than Marion (Pierce's PPA was 131; Marion's 118). But, Marion was his usual healthy self -- 2400+ total minutes, which was about 300 more than Pierce played. And Marion can't find a team to hire him while Pierce gets full MLE.

On the minimum salary deal Marion ends up getting, he's going to be one of the biggest bargains in the league.

Yeah, I think something is up. Either Marion has a health or personal/legal issue that isn't public, or he has a way inflated sense of the market and refused to sign for something less than, say $8M. Even with our crowded and imbalanced roster, I'd sign him today if he'd take the minimum and make a trade later to rebalance the roster.

[Nivek]

The NBA is a weird "market." Paul Pierce was a bit more productive per minute than Marion (Pierce's PPA was 131; Marion's 118). But, Marion was his usual healthy self -- 2400+ total minutes, which was about 300 more than Pierce played. And Marion can't find a team to hire him while Pierce gets full MLE.

On the minimum salary deal Marion ends up getting, he's going to be one of the biggest bargains in the league.

Yeah, I think something is up. Either Marion has a health or personal/legal issue that isn't public, or he has a way inflated sense of the market and refused to sign for something less than, say $8M. Even with our crowded and imbalanced roster, I'd sign him today if he'd take the minimum and make a trade later to rebalance the roster.

Me too. Marion can play SF and PF. He's still an excellent defender (he was basically tied with Ariza in defensive impact in my system). And, he doesn't need a lot of shots to feel good about himself at this point in his career.

[TGW]

Marion would have definitely been a better signing than pierce but its all good. I'm more worried about our backup guard situation more than anything else. God forbid Wall gets hurt and we have to start Miller for anything stretch of time.

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[fishercob]

Marion would have definitely been a better signing than pierce but its all good. I'm more worried about our backup guard situation more than anything else. God forbid Wall gets hurt and we have to start Miller for anything stretch of time.

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I'd like to add another guard, but I'm not worried either. Miller is still plenty effective, and as long as he comes to camp in great shape, I think we'd survive if he were pressed into starting and 25-30 mpg for a couple of weeks. I don't think there are all that many teams that wouldn't have similar concerns about losing their starting PG.