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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1141 » by JDLAW » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:54 am

letsgosuns wrote:The local guys really have no inside information regarding the Suns anymore. Ryan McDonough keeps everything behind closed doors. It seems like all the moves he makes come from out of nowhere.


Neither do any of these other so called sources unless these are leaks from Bledsoe's camp in an attempt to pressure the Suns into moving off their stance. It is certainly not coming from the Suns. The other possibility is that the author of this piece is simply reporting on his own interpretation of the events.

If the source is Bledsoe's camp, it is desperation at the lack of leverage and it certainly does not help negotiations. It is an attempt to gain leverage where there is none. It is also assigning blame where there is none to be assigned and the media will expose it.

If the source is made up by the author - put no stock in this.

The bottom line is that it will likely get resolved one way or another.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1142 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:57 am

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letsgosuns wrote:The local guys really have no inside information regarding the Suns anymore. Ryan McDonough keeps everything behind closed doors. It seems like all the moves he makes come from out of nowhere.

Gambo would have the best info but he is focused right now on football (thank you baby Jesus for bringing football back).

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I'm so ready for football. I always get amped for preseason, and then it starts and I have a big letdown and think damn I need some REAL football, than I get more eager for it to start. The Cards should be really deep and better everywhere except at the damn LB position. If they would have kept Dansby and Washington wouldn't keep messing up, I think they'd have a really good chance of winning the division, even though it probably has arguably the two best teams in the league in it.

Agree with everything you said. Would really like more people to use realgm for football but revengeofthebirds works too! John brown is going to be a beast!


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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1143 » by NaturalBuns » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:13 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Gambo would have the best info but he is focused right now on football (thank you baby Jesus for bringing football back).

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I'm so ready for football. I always get amped for preseason, and then it starts and I have a big letdown and think damn I need some REAL football, than I get more eager for it to start. The Cards should be really deep and better everywhere except at the damn LB position. If they would have kept Dansby and Washington wouldn't keep messing up, I think they'd have a really good chance of winning the division, even though it probably has arguably the two best teams in the league in it.

Agree with everything you said. Would really like more people to use realgm for football but revengeofthebirds works too! John brown is going to be a beast!


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Gonna need him to and Larry Fitzgerald needs to bounce back.
The defense is probably going to take a step back dansby chased the money and D wash is an idiot.


Brown is going to free up Larry that's what I'm stoked about
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1144 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:18 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Gambo would have the best info but he is focused right now on football (thank you baby Jesus for bringing football back).

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I'm so ready for football. I always get amped for preseason, and then it starts and I have a big letdown and think damn I need some REAL football, than I get more eager for it to start. The Cards should be really deep and better everywhere except at the damn LB position. If they would have kept Dansby and Washington wouldn't keep messing up, I think they'd have a really good chance of winning the division, even though it probably has arguably the two best teams in the league in it.

Agree with everything you said. Would really like more people to use realgm for football but revengeofthebirds works too! John brown is going to be a beast!

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Yeah, I'm a big fan of the Chargers and Cardinals, and would love to see more people post on the RealGM football boards. I've been trying to get people to, but I may have to check other forums. Last year I just mostly posted in the conversation tabs of the ESPN game pages.
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Post#1145 » by JTrain » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:22 am

Front loaded contract is great for the player. Invest more early and bigger yields throughout.
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Post#1146 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:22 am

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Sunsdeuce wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
I'm so ready for football. I always get amped for preseason, and then it starts and I have a big letdown and think damn I need some REAL football, than I get more eager for it to start. The Cards should be really deep and better everywhere except at the damn LB position. If they would have kept Dansby and Washington wouldn't keep messing up, I think they'd have a really good chance of winning the division, even though it probably has arguably the two best teams in the league in it.

Agree with everything you said. Would really like more people to use realgm for football but revengeofthebirds works too! John brown is going to be a beast!


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Gonna need him to and Larry Fitzgerald needs to bounce back.
The defense is probably going to take a step back dansby chased the money and D wash is an idiot.

Brown is going to free up Larry that's what I'm stoked about


Floyd could take a major step, but more importantly, the OL should be DRASTICALLY improved. Palmer is a lot like Rivers, strictly a pocket passer and if he has adequate time, can be really good but if not, it can be a disaster. Both had to learn new offenses last year, and it took Palmer longer, but he was good down the stretch and with a much better OL and another step from Floyd, that offense should help them compensate for the defensive losses.

Also, signing Cromartie and having Tyrian Matheu back should help a ton too. The LB's gone will mostly hurt against stopping Wilson or Kap running and getting past the line, and also stopping Lynch and Gore.
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Post#1147 » by Jdiddy701 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:23 am

Just got done watching a game this season (Suns vs Minn), Bledsoe's defense is amazing. I just hope he stays and remains happy because he's really really good.


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Post#1148 » by snowthedirtbub » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:23 am

When does Bledsoe have to either take the QO or sign a contract?
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Post#1149 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:28 am

bwgood77 wrote:
NaturalBuns wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Agree with everything you said. Would really like more people to use realgm for football but revengeofthebirds works too! John brown is going to be a beast!


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Gonna need him to and Larry Fitzgerald needs to bounce back.
The defense is probably going to take a step back dansby chased the money and D wash is an idiot.

Brown is going to free up Larry that's what I'm stoked about


Floyd could take a major step, but more importantly, the OL should be DRASTICALLY improved. Palmer is a lot like Rivers, strictly a pocket passer and if he has adequate time, can be really good but if not, it can be a disaster. Both had to learn new offenses last year, and it took Palmer longer, but he was good down the stretch and with a much better OL and another step from Floyd, that offense should help them compensate for the defensive losses.

Also, signing Cromartie and having Tyrian Matheu back should help a ton too. The LB's gone will mostly hurt against stopping Wilson or Kap running andgetting past the line, and also stopping Lynch and Gore.

Dude, I can see how excited you are. Your stoking me up just talking about it. Although everyone here prob doesn't like football but hey. Anyway, I'm stoked!


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Post#1150 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:30 am

JTrain wrote:Front loaded contract is great for the player. Invest more early and bigger yields throughout.


I was going to mention this earlier. If you can properly invest your money and the total contract is the same, that's a much better deal than one starting out lower and getting a raise each year. But I guess if you like to live in luxury and blow all your money and take the next step in luxury every year it might be a different story. These guys all measure themselves against their peers, as many people do at that age, so I can understand him feeling like he wants more after watching his friends Cousins and Wall get max deals. But he has always played behind Wall and Paul so he should know he isn't at the max level or top level yet and needs to earn it.

At the end of the day, maybe a deal starting at 12 with max raises, would be ok, since that would be a shade under 54, and wouldn't exceed $13 million until the 3rd year. It would avg out to a little under 13.5 a year, which is excessive, but if he stays healthy and improves, those years would be worth it. That deal would be more acceptable with a team option after year 2 (if you can do that) or definitely after year 3.

Then you could give Dragic a 4/56 or even a 4/60 next year and it would be a little more those three years they overlap, but not much more.
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Post#1151 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:32 am

snowthedirtbub wrote:When does Bledsoe have to either take the QO or sign a contract?


QO expires on October 1st, though it can be extended, but that is rare. He remains a RFA though, so I believe we could keep negotiating into the season, which I don't recall happening. I'm a little surprised this tactic isn't used though, because it seems that would be when the player would gain leverage when his absence is impacting wins and losses.
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Post#1152 » by JTrain » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:34 am

Public opinion is turning against him hard. It's much worse than the Pek situation last year. At least Pek came out and said he wanted to stay.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/E_Devil_14/status/494248194197307392[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/masquesoplease/status/493151400134991873[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/_FinesseDuhWave/status/494269790773850112[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoZakNeverGoBak/status/493136731302932481[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/EnterShikari83/status/493343682549256192[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JMarryott23/status/493140402376294400[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ascend_Descend/status/493107392843096064[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/john_satter/status/494255350355210241[/tweet]
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1153 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:45 am

bwgood77 wrote:
snowthedirtbub wrote:When does Bledsoe have to either take the QO or sign a contract?


QO expires on October 1st, though it can be extended, but that is rare. He remains a RFA though, so I believe we could keep negotiating into the season, which I don't recall happening. I'm a little surprised this tactic isn't used though, because it seems that would be when the player would gain leverage when his absence is impacting wins and losses.

Depends what the demands are. If it's the difference between 20 wins in that particular season and a max year, max money commitment which you don't want to make, I'm sure the team can afford to lose a few games.
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Post#1154 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:45 am

JTrain wrote:Public opinion is turning against him hard. It's much worse than the Pek situation last year. At least Pek came out and said he wanted to stay.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/E_Devil_14/status/494248194197307392[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/masquesoplease/status/493151400134991873[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/_FinesseDuhWave/status/494269790773850112[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoZakNeverGoBak/status/493136731302932481[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/EnterShikari83/status/493343682549256192[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JMarryott23/status/493140402376294400[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ascend_Descend/status/493107392843096064[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/john_satter/status/494255350355210241[/tweet]

Exactly


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Post#1155 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:49 am

Jason Kidd sits by his phone in Milwaukee. And as Bucks fans we wait........ 8-)

We supposedly agreed to contract terms with Jerryd Bayless two weeks ago, but he still hasn't signed his contract. Bucks are waiting on something as it relates to a sequencing of transactions. Maybe Bledsoe, may be a different deal.
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Post#1156 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:49 am

JTrain wrote:Public opinion is turning against him hard. It's much worse than the Pek situation last year. At least Pek came out and said he wanted to stay.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/E_Devil_14/status/494248194197307392[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/masquesoplease/status/493151400134991873[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/_FinesseDuhWave/status/494269790773850112[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoZakNeverGoBak/status/493136731302932481[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/EnterShikari83/status/493343682549256192[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JMarryott23/status/493140402376294400[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ascend_Descend/status/493107392843096064[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/john_satter/status/494255350355210241[/tweet]


Those people tweeting Bledsoe directly is NOT good. I would have approached it a bit differently with him directly. I've read these tweets really get to some of the players out there....the sensitive ones. Not sure if it makes more angry or just feel bad, but I can see why he might feel his image is irreparable.
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Post#1157 » by JTrain » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:57 am

Is Paul also in charge of his marketing and PR? If so, he's doing a terrible job at that as well.
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Post#1158 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:59 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
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snowthedirtbub wrote:When does Bledsoe have to either take the QO or sign a contract?


QO expires on October 1st, though it can be extended, but that is rare. He remains a RFA though, so I believe we could keep negotiating into the season, which I don't recall happening. I'm a little surprised this tactic isn't used though, because it seems that would be when the player would gain leverage when his absence is impacting wins and losses.

Depends what the demands are. If it's the difference between 20 wins in that particular season and a max year, max money commitment which you don't want to make, I'm sure the team can afford to lose a few games.


Well from Sarvers pt of view, a max may be out of the question at that point, but lets say 2 million more a year with max raises, which would be about 4/62...would be the difference of 55 wins (as opposed to 42) and two home playoff games, he makes the money back. If we get three playoff home playoff games, he comes out ahead.

I don't think he's worth the money, but if they think he is worth 13 wins, and the difference between playoffs and no playoffs, it could be. But in that case I would try and get a team option after year 2.
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Post#1159 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:04 am

bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Depends what the demands are. If it's the difference between 20 wins in that particular season and a max year, max money commitment which you don't want to make, I'm sure the team can afford to lose a few games.


Well from Sarvers pt of view, a max may be out of the question at that point, but lets say 2 million more a year with max raises, which would be about 4/62...would be the difference of 55 wins (as opposed to 42) and two home playoff games, he makes the money back. If we get three playoff home playoff games, he comes out ahead.

I don't think he's worth the money, but if they think he is worth 13 wins, and the difference between playoffs and no playoffs, it could be. But in that case I would try and get a team option after year 2.

For a few mil extra, I think they would've gotten the deal done already. If you're prepared to pay those few mil extra, just do it before training camp so we can get out the gate running.
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Post#1160 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:11 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Jason Kidd sits by his phone in Milwaukee. And as Bucks fans we wait........ 8-)

We supposedly agreed to contract terms with Jerryd Bayless two weeks ago, but he still hasn't signed his contract. Bucks are waiting on something as it relates to a sequencing of transactions. Maybe Bledsoe, may be a different deal.


The problem is you guys don't have the right assets assuming you don't want to trade Parker and the Greek. First, we would likely need two unprotected firsts, and if not unprotected, at least low protection like top 3.

Secondly we'd have to get matching salaries so it gets tough. Assuming we don't want Sanders or Henson, it would probably have to be guys that would add depth to our biggest need positions and have reasonable salaries, like Zaza who would add nice depth but wish he could block shots. Then Brandon Knight to be a decent third guard, as IT would probably start with Dragic. And then I suppose Ilyasova who would be a perfect fit if he was healthy, but we'd need those three contracts to match unless you are under the cap enough to where we don't need to match, then if we didn't want all those guys we could take less.

The firsts would be imperative though because the assets are not nearly good enough to trade Bledsoe for. The good version of Sanders, if he didn't have headcase problems, would be a nice fit, but that's an awful lot of money to give to a risk like him. Henson has shown some flashes, and he might be a guy the Suns like, but not sure. Maybe they would want him. He may have more value than the other guys, though he doesn't really fit the needs of our team as much.

I don't think this offer would make us nearly as good of a team though, so we likely wait out the Bledsoe thing at least until mid October if it goes that long.

I imagine most of the posters here will hate the deal I outlned above unless they love the draft and the idea of getting a couple more first round picks.

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