The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[bwgood77]

Depends what the demands are. If it's the difference between 20 wins in that particular season and a max year, max money commitment which you don't want to make, I'm sure the team can afford to lose a few games.

Well from Sarvers pt of view, a max may be out of the question at that point, but lets say 2 million more a year with max raises, which would be about 4/62...would be the difference of 55 wins (as opposed to 42) and two home playoff games, he makes the money back. If we get three playoff home playoff games, he comes out ahead.

I don't think he's worth the money, but if they think he is worth 13 wins, and the difference between playoffs and no playoffs, it could be. But in that case I would try and get a team option after year 2.

For a few mil extra, I think they would've gotten the deal done already. If you're prepared to pay those few mil extra, just do it before training camp so we can get out the gate running.

Yeah, but like I've mentioned before we can't just offer him 4/56 or even 4/52 because they could and likely would reject and then we'd be stuck between 4/56 and 5/80 and it would look like we are the ones desperate and moving.

I imagine at some point if Paul comes and says 4/52 we very could accept, but it has to come from them. If I was Paul I would come right now with 4/56 to see if the Suns bit, because that is more than fair. Then if the Suns say no 4/52, perhaps they could settle on 4/54. But they need to move down first. No need for Suns to do anything yet.

[paulpressey25]

First, we would likely need two unprotected firsts, and if not unprotected, at least low protection like top 3.
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This is where some in the Suns fanbase are incongruent. Unprotected number ones coming from 15 win teams like the Bucks are for packages involving players like Kevin Love. And if that's the case, the Suns should have no problem offering Bledsoe 4/$63. If he's good enough for a great trade package, he's worth at least 4/$63. I think you guys need to up your minds, because Kyle Lowry (this board's analog for Bledsoe's contract) in trade doesn't bring back what you guys are asking for as it relates to Bledsoe.

You do hold all the cards in the sense that Bledsoe goes nowhere next year unless the Suns agree to it. That said, we've seen this movie too many times before in Milwaukee where a FA or RFA has one good season and then holds the team hostage for a huge contract. In the end, the player gets bitter, stops working out and then if the dispute is settled, rushes back and gets injured because they didn't work out all summer while the contract mess took place.

I'm not a fan of a CBA that allows one year wonders to get paid big, but unfortunately that is the system.

[NaturalBuns]

Agree with everything you said. Would really like more people to use realgm for football but revengeofthebirds works too! John brown is going to be a beast!


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Gonna need him to and Larry Fitzgerald needs to bounce back.
The defense is probably going to take a step back dansby chased the money and D wash is an idiot.

Brown is going to free up Larry that's what I'm stoked about

Floyd could take a major step, but more importantly, the OL should be DRASTICALLY improved. Palmer is a lot like Rivers, strictly a pocket passer and if he has adequate time, can be really good but if not, it can be a disaster. Both had to learn new offenses last year, and it took Palmer longer, but he was good down the stretch and with a much better OL and another step from Floyd, that offense should help them compensate for the defensive losses.

Also, signing Cromartie and having Tyrian Matheu back should help a ton too. The LB's gone will mostly hurt against stopping Wilson or Kap running and getting past the line, and also stopping Lynch and Gore.

Cardinals vs chargers week one MNF!
They play in the final preseason game as well. Man will that game be watered down more then usual.

I use the cardinals forums and it's pretty active.
It's insane active on gamedays like 100+ pages lol

[bwgood77]

First, we would likely need two unprotected firsts, and if not unprotected, at least low protection like top 3.
.

This is where some in the Suns fanbase are incongruent. Unprotected number ones coming from 15 win teams like the Bucks are for packages involving players like Kevin Love. And if that's the case, the Suns should have no problem offering Bledsoe 4/$63. If he's good enough for a great trade package, he's worth at least 4/$63. I think you guys need to up your minds, because Kyle Lowry (this board's analog for Bledsoe's contract) in trade doesn't bring back what you guys are asking for as it relates to Bledsoe.

You do hold all the cards in the sense that Bledsoe goes nowhere next year unless the Suns agree to it. That said, we've seen this movie too many times before in Milwaukee where a FA or RFA has one good season and then holds the team hostage for a huge contract. In the end, the player gets bitter, stops working out and then if the dispute is settled, rushes back and gets injured because they didn't work out all summer while the contract mess took place.

I'm not a fan of a CBA that allows one year wonders to get paid big, but unfortunately that is the system.

That's the problem because your assets are so terrible. I don't know if I'd do it on your side either. I think top 3 protected is fair, or maybe even top 5, but the players we'd get back in that scenario are almost guys that are net negatives based on their contracts. None are different makers except for spot minutes. Sure they are good players on the worst team in the league, but they do nothing for a team ready to make the playoffs, as you guys well know.

So that would be it. And players like Kevin Love take picks AND guys like Wiggins and possibly more, even with one year on their contract. That is like the highest hyped player of the last decade so I don't think it's too unreasonable if you don't have any players that are desirable to ask for a couple of protected picks.

For Joe Johnson in a similar position we got Diaw who we really liked and a top 3 protected pick from Atlanta. Unfortunately they ended up drafting 3rd and getting Horford (they were slotted 4th and we likely would have taken Noah to play with Nash, Raja, Marion and Amare, but we ended up with Robin Lopez the next year because they improved.

The same thing could happen with you guys. If you improve, which you would with Bledsoe playing with your young talent, those picks likely end up more like 9th and two years later, maybe 20th. Of course if you stick with what you have, there is a good chance those picks are top 3 or top 5 or you win the lottery and get your next Bogut.

[rsavaj]

Jason Kidd sits by his phone in Milwaukee. And as Bucks fans we wait........

We supposedly agreed to contract terms with Jerryd Bayless two weeks ago, but he still hasn't signed his contract. Bucks are waiting on something as it relates to a sequencing of transactions. Maybe Bledsoe, may be a different deal.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that Phoenix would match any offer Milwaukee gave Eric.

[Sunsdeuce]

Gonna need him to and Larry Fitzgerald needs to bounce back.
The defense is probably going to take a step back dansby chased the money and D wash is an idiot.

Brown is going to free up Larry that's what I'm stoked about

Floyd could take a major step, but more importantly, the OL should be DRASTICALLY improved. Palmer is a lot like Rivers, strictly a pocket passer and if he has adequate time, can be really good but if not, it can be a disaster. Both had to learn new offenses last year, and it took Palmer longer, but he was good down the stretch and with a much better OL and another step from Floyd, that offense should help them compensate for the defensive losses.

Also, signing Cromartie and having Tyrian Matheu back should help a ton too. The LB's gone will mostly hurt against stopping Wilson or Kap running and getting past the line, and also stopping Lynch and Gore.

Cardinals vs chargers week one MNF!
They play in the final preseason game as well. Man will that game be watered down more then usual.

I use the cardinals forums and it's pretty active.
It's insane active on gamedays like 100+ pages lol

Which forums?


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[bwgood77]

Cardinals vs chargers week one MNF!
They play in the final preseason game as well. Man will that game be watered down more then usual.

I use the cardinals forums and it's pretty active.
It's insane active on gamedays like 100+ pages lol

Yeah, I've been contemplating going to Phx for that game. The Chargers have had the late MNF game like 3-4 years in a row, and living in Texas, it comes on at like 9:30. Last year they blew like a 28-7 halftime lead (or maybe a 21-7 halftime lead but scored again early in the 3rd) and lost on a last second field goal. I couldn't sleep that night. I've been a Chargers fan since a very early age, a few years before the Cards moved, so tough to change loyalties for me, but I embraced the Cards too upon their arrival.

[bwgood77]

Jason Kidd sits by his phone in Milwaukee. And as Bucks fans we wait........

We supposedly agreed to contract terms with Jerryd Bayless two weeks ago, but he still hasn't signed his contract. Bucks are waiting on something as it relates to a sequencing of transactions. Maybe Bledsoe, may be a different deal.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that Phoenix would match any offer Milwaukee gave Eric.

So are you thinking Milwaukee is not signing Bayless to see if they can hopefully get Eric to sign an offer sheet after orchestrating a trade to give him a max?

And Pressey, do you know if Milwaukee offered Bledsoe an offer in the range of 4/52 that he turned down? There was a rumor here he turned down a bigger offer than Phx gave wanting more, but that team moved on and now he has no options.

[NaturalBuns]

Floyd could take a major step, but more importantly, the OL should be DRASTICALLY improved. Palmer is a lot like Rivers, strictly a pocket passer and if he has adequate time, can be really good but if not, it can be a disaster. Both had to learn new offenses last year, and it took Palmer longer, but he was good down the stretch and with a much better OL and another step from Floyd, that offense should help them compensate for the defensive losses.

Also, signing Cromartie and having Tyrian Matheu back should help a ton too. The LB's gone will mostly hurt against stopping Wilson or Kap running and getting past the line, and also stopping Lynch and Gore.

Cardinals vs chargers week one MNF!
They play in the final preseason game as well. Man will that game be watered down more then usual.

I use the cardinals forums and it's pretty active.
It's insane active on gamedays like 100+ pages lol

Which forums?


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http://forums.azcardinals.com
And Peterson just signed a 5yr deal


Just got paid

[paulpressey25]

^^^what we think we know in Milwaukee is that Kidd wants him, but the Bucks need to do something via a sign and trade because they know PHX will match, even if the Bucks did clear the $2.5 million in salary to give Bledsoe a max offer. The other part of this is that apparently the Suns are not interested in what the Bucks are offering.

Again the mystery angle here is Jerryd Bayless. Every source here and at ESPN has pretty much acknowledged he has come to terms on a $6 million dollar two year deal. But for two weeks now, he has not signed the deal. The only reason we can speculate on that would be because the Bucks want to hold open all their cap space for a possible move, and then ink Bayless either with cap space or a room exception or the like.

If Bayless was signed by now, I likely wouldn't be stopping at your board all the time to talk Bledsoe.

[Qwigglez]

It must be a Bledsoe/Warren/1st for Jabari Parker deal then

[bwgood77]

^^^what we think we know in Milwaukee is that Kidd wants him, but the Bucks need to do something via a sign and trade because they know PHX will match, even if the Bucks did clear the $2.5 million in salary to give Bledsoe a max offer. The other part of this is that apparently the Suns are not interested in what the Bucks are offering.

Again the mystery angle here is Jerryd Bayless. Every source here and at ESPN has pretty much acknowledged he has come to terms on a $6 million dollar two year deal. But for two weeks now, he has not signed the deal. The only reason we can speculate on that would be because the Bucks want to hold open all their cap space for a possible move, and then ink Bayless either with cap space or a room exception or the like.

If Bayless was signed by now, I likely wouldn't be stopping at your board all the time to talk Bledsoe.

What do you think, trying to be fair from both sides (which is what I was trying to do above) is an offer you feel Phx should accept for a trade?

[RRyder823]

First, we would likely need two unprotected firsts, and if not unprotected, at least low protection like top 3.
.

This is where some in the Suns fanbase are incongruent. Unprotected number ones coming from 15 win teams like the Bucks are for packages involving players like Kevin Love. And if that's the case, the Suns should have no problem offering Bledsoe 4/$63. If he's good enough for a great trade package, he's worth at least 4/$63. I think you guys need to up your minds, because Kyle Lowry (this board's analog for Bledsoe's contract) in trade doesn't bring back what you guys are asking for as it relates to Bledsoe.

You do hold all the cards in the sense that Bledsoe goes nowhere next year unless the Suns agree to it. That said, we've seen this movie too many times before in Milwaukee where a FA or RFA has one good season and then holds the team hostage for a huge contract. In the end, the player gets bitter, stops working out and then if the dispute is settled, rushes back and gets injured because they didn't work out all summer while the contract mess took place.

I'm not a fan of a CBA that allows one year wonders to get paid big, but unfortunately that is the system.

That's the problem because your assets are so terrible. I don't know if I'd do it on your side either. I think top 3 protected is fair, or maybe even top 5, but the players we'd get back in that scenario are almost guys that are net negatives based on their contracts. None are different makers except for spot minutes. Sure they are good players on the worst team in the league, but they do nothing for a team ready to make the playoffs, as you guys well know.

So that would be it. And players like Kevin Love take picks AND guys like Wiggins and possibly more, even with one year on their contract. That is like the highest hyped player of the last decade so I don't think it's too unreasonable if you don't have any players that are desirable to ask for a couple of protected picks.

For Joe Johnson in a similar position we got Diaw who we really liked and a top 3 protected pick from Atlanta. Unfortunately they ended up drafting 3rd and getting Horford (they were slotted 4th and we likely would have taken Noah to play with Nash, Raja, Marion and Amare, but we ended up with Robin Lopez the next year because they improved.

The same thing could happen with you guys. If you improve, which you would with Bledsoe playing with your young talent, those picks likely end up more like 9th and two years later, maybe 20th. Of course if you stick with what you have, there is a good chance those picks are top 3 or top 5 or you win the lottery and get your next Bogut.

As a Bucks fan I agree with pretty much everything you said regarding a Bucks S&T scenario sending Bledsoe our way... Bucks brass is interested but we just might not have the assets to pull it off. I agree that there would have to be a 1st round pick included in any case to make it work. I don't think sending you guys a top 3 protected 1st should be much of a problem but maybe the Bucks don't feel the same way. I think a major hold up would be the Suns trying to extract a 2nd first from us and that's not even factoring in whether your guys manegment would be interested in the players being offered. Theres lots of things standing in the way to any potential deal between these 2 teams. But the most likely canidates would be some combintaion Henson, Knight, Ersan and perhaps ZaZa as u mentioned him earlier. I'm also not sure if the Suns would be interested in any of them and actually don't think they are but you never know if the situation between the Suns and Bledsoe sours any more then it has it'll be hard to tell what they'll actually take for him if they truly want to unload him

I think your Joe Johnson comparison is fairley accurate in this situation your in with Bledsoe. Different situations when it comes to the CBA but your guys in charge are going to try for the best deal possible if they try and move him and I won't even speculate on how much your brass might value any of our players outside of Jabari and Giannis..... They might... They might not. But I do agree that at least one top 3-5 protected 1st would have to be included to make it happen.

Wish you guys the best on sorting this out and retaining him but also wishing upon a star you'll S&T him to us for OJ Mayo..........(that last part was a joke guys so don't freak out lol)

[bwgood77]

It must be a Bledsoe/Warren/1st for Jabari Parker deal then

Except there are people out there that think Warren will be a better player than Parker. He was in the ACC, and even though he was a soph, he didn't play much his freshman year because they didn't realize he was so good. I wouldn't do that deal.

[Sunsdeuce]

@theAdamGreen: It always seemed like a question of when, not if, Patrick Peterson and the #Cardinals would agree to a new deal. Painless and professional.

Dear Bledsoe: carefully study how Patrick Peterson conducted business. Cared about phx, busted his butt, never complained, and got paid. True professional!!!



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[lilfishi22]

^^^what we think we know in Milwaukee is that Kidd wants him, but the Bucks need to do something via a sign and trade because they know PHX will match, even if the Bucks did clear the $2.5 million in salary to give Bledsoe a max offer. The other part of this is that apparently the Suns are not interested in what the Bucks are offering.

Again the mystery angle here is Jerryd Bayless. Every source here and at ESPN has pretty much acknowledged he has come to terms on a $6 million dollar two year deal. But for two weeks now, he has not signed the deal. The only reason we can speculate on that would be because the Bucks want to hold open all their cap space for a possible move, and then ink Bayless either with cap space or a room exception or the like.

If Bayless was signed by now, I likely wouldn't be stopping at your board all the time to talk Bledsoe.

We're waiting for the call so we can match. Even if it is a max deal. What we DON'T want is to offer a max deal when no one else is going to (or could) offer it.

[lakersin4]

Nash, Houston 1st, the top 5 protection removed from our 2015 pick. Let's get it on.

[sunskerr]

Fickle and fatuous are the people.

[lilfishi22]

Nash, Houston 1st, the top 5 protection removed from our 2015 pick. Let's get it on.

LOL

Houston 1st is going to be a late 1st. Nash is worthless at this point.

So essentially, Bledsoe for a pick we already own except protection removed.

Alright mate

[Stix]

Nash, Houston 1st, the top 5 protection removed from our 2015 pick. Let's get it on.

You forgot Randle.