Trade Ideas Thread

[ParticleMan]

Wright is at least intriguing. Used to be a good player before injuries. Faverani tho will compete for our starting C job (tho i think Zeller will win). I would definitely consider something like Wright+Mekel+2nd for Bass+Fav. I don't know anything about Mekel but i assume he sucks. who is James? if it's lebron then sign me up!

[ConstableGeneva]

I want no part of Ray Felton. Before we signed Evan Turner, I would have been open to a S&T'd Marion for Fav + filler. Not sure if Marion would want to play for a non-contender and as a backup SF at that. Oh wait, we could have just signed Marion for portion of our MLE without losing Faverani. Never mind.

[kbrow20]

Wright is at least intriguing. Used to be a good player before injuries. Faverani tho will compete for our starting C job (tho i think Zeller will win). I would definitely consider something like Wright+Mekel+2nd for Bass+Fav. I don't know anything about Mekel but i assume he sucks. who is James? if it's lebron then sign me up!

The rights to Benard James

[campybatman]

I like the idea of acquiring Dieng... You can develop he and Zeller, keep Faverani for depth and trade Anthony for an expiring contract.

But that doesn’t mean Ainge can’t profit off Love’s exit. If Minnesota makes the deal with Cleveland, the Wolves will be going into an exciting-but-undeniable rebuild, with young players like Andrew Wiggins, Zach LaVine and Ricky Rubio all playing a prominent role in their future. The Wolves will want to give them an opportunity to play together as much as possible, and that would likely mean moving certain pieces to open up playing time. Minnesota currently has Nikola Pekovic and Gorgui Dieng both available to play center. Dieng makes more sense for a rebuilding team, but Pek helps them win in the short term, something Flip Saunders is very interested in doing as a GM/coach. Pek also just signed a long-term deal that might be prohibitive for rebuilding/capped out Boston. Dieng — who improved steadily as the season went on and has the tools to be a rim protector — may be Ainge’s target here, although it might be tough to pry him away from the Wolves.

http://www.celticshub.com/2014/07/23/re ... cleveland/

[Higgs Boston]

What about Faverani? What could Mavs offer to get him?

Anything, even free, faverani is a mediocre player with injuries.

Wright + Mekel + James Rights + 2nd for Bass + Faverani

Done!

[KJandHondo35]

I'm probably gonna get demolished by posters for this trade idea but hang with me...

BOS Trades: Rondo-Sully
DET Trades: Monroe-KCP-1st

Why? Well the "Off-Season" thread got me thinking... what if Monroe IS better than he's showed us. What if the many coaches, poor GM choices and drafting of Drummond has forced him into a position he cannot excel in. What if he’s more Big Al and Less Lemarcus Aldridge (as in not a 6'11" PF). Fact is with the right pieces you can make a top 5 NBA defense with an Average to below average Center, CHA showed us that.

Celtics have a gaping hole at 5, Monroe could provide youth, potential, and and instant upgrade there 18-10-4 is totally in play. They have just drafted a PG that could put up 13-6-5 next year with minutes and I could argue that’s also conservative. The problem/question is our current best player plays at the PG spot and he was and all-star so we need an all-star back. But what scares me personally in the whole lets wait till the deadline if we really want to move him, or lets hang with him and resign him… Is what if what we saw last year in those 30 games for 33.3 minutes per game is Rondo. We all assume he will get better, just like we assume Sully is gonna get fit, but what if that’s not the case. 11.7-9.8-5.5 is a great line don’t get me wrong (albeit on a poor team), but if it doesn’t get better I don’t think that gets you that “All-Star”. My buddy responded to me at this idea, “How do we know we get fair value for him?”. Well my question back is what if “Fair value” isn’t what we thought it was, or what if it goes down. What if the “idea” of him improving is worth more than actually seeing for another 30 games that 28yr old, post ACL surgery Rondo is a 12-9ast guy with no range and questionable FT shooting that is a real liability defensively? All’s I’m saying is nothing is guaranteed, he could definitely improve and bring up his value or justify another contract/ building around him it’s just we really have no idea.

So this trade has a bit of that, as well it puts Rondo in a place with his buddy Smoove so increasing the chance he resigns there. Sully could be a good Role big off the bench who is under control salary wise.

BOS get Monroe as stated and KCP who gives you size/athleticism/shooting/potential at the SG position, at worst is a great scorer off the bench and at best is a legit SG that can spread the floor, play solid D, gives you size, and would pair well with Smart, and a 1st never hurt anyone.

Like I said, some won’t like this at all… I need to say I am a Rondo fan, but I’m just trying to stay objective and realize there are some real concerns that may just not automatically disappear with more games.

[KGboss]

^^...No...just...no....

[Dcebucks11]

Random trade idea, BOS/DEN:

Rondo, GW for Ty Lawson, Mozgov, Faried, Darrell Arthur (expiring), 1st..

Probably weighted too much toward Boston, but Lawson is a nice player, only 26 and you can move him as Smart develops.. Mozgov is an affordably priced 5, Faried's a nice energy bench guy with trade value...

Denver passes quite easily .

[greenroom31]

Reading the last few pages of this thread, I think the subject needs to be changed to "Awful Trade Ideas Thread"

[KJandHondo35]

Amend my Previous trade for

BOS: Sully-GWall-1st
DET: Monroe

Thoughts?


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[KJandHondo35]

^^^ Could also include any of the non-guaranteed contracts to get up to the max if necessary in Babb, Johnson, and Pressy.

[greenroom31]

Amend my Previous trade for

BOS: Sully-GWall-1st
DET: Monroe

Thoughts?

I think BfB said it best in the other thread (and apparently I'm not alone since this post has 8 And1s):

As someone who has been compelled to study DET, CLE, BOS more than is healthy, I don't view Monroe as a superior prospect to any of the main 3 big man prospects on this roster. Monroe has had the advantage of early PT and expansive usage.

I will take my chances with Zeller/KO/Sully + 30M in cap space if i am building this team.

[KJandHondo35]

Amend my Previous trade for

BOS: Sully-GWall-1st
DET: Monroe

Thoughts?

I think BfB said it best in the other thread (and apparently I'm not alone since this post has 8 And1s):

As someone who has been compelled to study DET, CLE, BOS more than is healthy, I don't view Monroe as a superior prospect to any of the main 3 big man prospects on this roster. Monroe has had the advantage of early PT and expansive usage.

I will take my chances with Zeller/KO/Sully + 30M in cap space if i am building this team.

Homerism really resonates I guess...

Fact: Right now Monroe is a better Defender than all those 3 "Prospects".

WAR already covered but:
Monroe: 7.10
Sully: 4.70
Zeller: 1.19
KO: 0.89

RPM
Monroe:1.84
Sully:1.34
Zeller:1.49
KO: -1.34

OPPFG%
Monroe: 51.2%
Sully: 53.9%
Zeller: Didn't face at least 4 shots at rim
KO: 56.3%

He's younger than Zeller right now and has averaged 15.6-9.5 for the last 3 seasons... in Zeller's season where he averaged 26 minutes per game and started 55 games he averaged 8 and 6.

He's more capable to play 5 than all 3 of our prospects
Monroe: 6'11" height, 7'2.25" wing, 9'0.5" standing
Sully: 6'9" height, 7'1.25" wing 8'9.5" standing
KO: 7'0" height, 6'9.75" wing, 9' standing
Zeller: 7'0.5 height, 7' wing, 8'8.5" standing (LOL)

Did you guys realize he's A) younger than Zeller (I might have said that already), B) 10 months older than KO and C) 2 years older than Sully

He had a lower USG% than Sully in his sophomore season at 21.8 but posted a better PER (22.09), and stats 15.4-9.7-2.3 than Sully in his 2nd Season... 22.6%USG 16.42 PER 13.3-8.1-1.6 (He also had a lower USG rate this season at 20.6 and still a better PER of 18.16)

THAT CAP SPACE THO!
Well Boston isn't exactly a FA hotbed so what the **** are we gonna do with this cap space? In the trade I suggested we clear a bad Cap space clogging contract in GWall and get the best player in the trade... How is that bad? He was more developed at the same age/season as Sully is now, he's most likely not been utilized effectively ever yet our similar aged "prospects" have more potential? Great optimism, but seriously lacking in any legitimate data.

[jfs1000d]

Amend my Previous trade for

BOS: Sully-GWall-1st
DET: Monroe

Thoughts?


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I don't want to give up an asset for Monroe. I want to add Monroe.

[165bows]

So it's a slow part of the offseason where I can't help but make trades I'd rather not do. Most people that frequent here know I'd prefer a return to power with Rondo and some other good players. I'm always tempted to make backup plans however to see what they might look like. So here's the one for this season.

Includes Houston, Portland and Boston

Boston trades: Rajon Rondo, Jeff Green
Receives: Alonzo Gee, CJ McCollum, Clint Capela, Robert Covington and Josh Powell. Also receives Portland lotto protected 2015 first, NOP 2015 first from Houston, 2017 first from Houston Top 10 protected. Gee, Covington and Powell can all be released if no immediate suitors for the arise, to clear roster space if necessary.

Houston trades: Alonzo Gee, Scotty Hopson, Capela, Covington, Josh Powell and Isaiah Canaan, NOP Top 3 protected first, 2017 own first, Top 10 protected.
Receives: Rondo, Dorell Wright, and Joel Freeland

Portland trades: CJ McCollum, Joel Freeland, Dorell Wright, 2015 lotto protected first
Receives: Jeff Green, Scotty Hopson, Isaiah Canaan

Wright and Freeland are taken into Houston's TPE, Canaan is taken into Portland's TPE. NOP first is protected top 3 and 20-30, FYI.

I think it's Boston's best possible return potential in Option C, apocalyptic mode. Houston lands a big fish and doesn't really drain all it's assets, as they still have all their current young players of note such as their pair of young PFs. Wright and Freeland are also needed depth for them.

Portland gets some needed high end depth at the 2, 3, and 4 spots and improves their team at an acceptable cost. Hopson and Canaan could be backcourt depth for them as well, which they need, or released. Already got at least one favorable response to that portion on the trade board.

Most of the guys from Houston for Boston are filler. CJ McCollum has promise and is part of the value in the trade along with Capela, everyone else is largely filler on Boston's end.

Of note, Houston doesn't really have the Joel Anthony/Brandon Bass type salaries, so it is hard constructing a trade without tons of small moving parts. Shows the type of value those guys can have under the right circumstances. This would be best done later into the season, as there would be an idea at that point how good the NO pick would be.

Ideally Rondo would then leave Houston in FA, allowing me to freely root against them when their pick comes due.

[KJandHondo35]

So it's a slow part of the offseason where I can't help but make trades I'd rather not do. Most people that frequent here know I'd prefer a return to power with Rondo and some other good players. I'm always tempted to make backup plans however to see what they might look like. So here's the one for this season.

Includes Houston, Portland and Boston

Boston trades: Rajon Rondo, Jeff Green
Receives: Alonzo Gee, CJ McCollum, Clint Capela, Robert Covington and Josh Powell. Also receives Portland lotto protected 2015 first, NOP 2015 first from Houston, 2017 first from Houston Top 10 protected. Gee, Covington and Powell can all be released if no immediate suitors for the arise, to clear roster space if necessary.

Houston trades: Alonzo Gee, Scotty Hopson, Capela, Covington, Josh Powell and Isaiah Canaan, NOP Top 3 protected first, 2017 own first, Top 10 protected.
Receives: Rondo, Dorell Wright, and Joel Freeland

Portland trades: CJ McCollum, Joel Freeland, Dorell Wright, 2015 lotto protected first
Receives: Jeff Green, Scotty Hopson, Isaiah Canaan

Wright and Freeland are taken into Houston's TPE, Canaan is taken into Portland's TPE. NOP first is protected top 3 and 20-30, FYI.

I think it's Boston's best possible return potential in Option C, apocalyptic mode. Houston lands a big fish and doesn't really drain all it's assets, as they still have all their current young players of note such as their pair of young PFs. Wright and Freeland are also needed depth for them.

Portland gets some needed high end depth at the 2, 3, and 4 spots and improves their team at an acceptable cost. Hopson and Canaan could be backcourt depth for them as well, which they need, or released. Already got at least one favorable response to that portion on the trade board.

Most of the guys from Houston for Boston are filler. CJ McCollum has promise and is part of the value in the trade along with Capela, everyone else is largely filler on Boston's end.

Of note, Houston doesn't really have the Joel Anthony/Brandon Bass type salaries, so it is hard constructing a trade without tons of small moving parts. Shows the type of value those guys can have under the right circumstances. This would be best done later into the season, as there would be an idea at that point how good the NO pick would be.

Ideally Rondo would then leave Houston in FA, allowing me to freely root against them when their pick comes due.

I mean wouldn't you rather something like:
Rondo-non-guarantees (Bogans, Babb, Pressy, or Chris Johnson)
for
Monroe-KCP-2015 1st unprotected, 2017 1st top 10 protected

That would let them keep every young player, add 2 1sts, get a shooter with size, youth, potential, and grab a proven player that fills a positional hole in Monroe. It's all fantasy basketball anyways, but your idea really is Rondo and Green for CJ, Capela and 3 1sts. I really like McCollum but he's much unknown, Caplela also has great potential but I've never seen him play not on YouTube. The picks are awesome and that’s a haul of them but both prospects could never do much and who knows what picks will get you. Even if it was 1 pick, KCP, and Monroe I feel like there's less risk but still solid potential. I don't think anyone would be rooting for a Rondo trade but if it were to happen I would just hope there was 1 player that was dependable value with the possibility of becoming 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team All -NBA which Monroe would have a punchers chance for as a full time 5.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Amend my Previous trade for

BOS: Sully-GWall-1st
DET: Monroe

Thoughts?

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Only way I see Detroit taking back Wallace is if Boston's trading for Josh Smith.

[165bows]

I mean wouldn't you rather something like:
Rondo-non-guarantees (Bogans, Babb, Pressy, or Chris Johnson)
for
Monroe-KCP-2015 1st unprotected, 2017 1st top 10 protected

That would let them keep every young player, add 2 1sts, get a shooter with size, youth, potential, and grab a proven player that fills a positional hole in Monroe. It's all fantasy basketball anyways, but your idea really is Rondo and Green for CJ, Capela and 3 1sts. I really like McCollum but he's much unknown, Caplela also has great potential but I've never seen him play not on YouTube. The picks are awesome and that’s a haul of them but both prospects could never do much and who knows what picks will get you. Even if it was 1 pick, KCP, and Monroe I feel like there's less risk but still solid potential. I don't think anyone would be rooting for a Rondo trade but if it were to happen I would just hope there was 1 player that was dependable value with the possibility of becoming 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team All -NBA which Monroe would have a punchers chance for as a full time 5.

I've never been highly enamored with Monroe. My post was really about a full blow it up scenario, which obviously paying big money to Monroe is a different type of scenario. Mine was ultimately for later in the season as well, in that the best part of the return was the NO pick. I only even think about it if that is something that nets a top 8-12ish pick, and they have an idea of who they want to get there.

But I don't see anything more concrete in KCP really compared to any other unproven prospect, so that part is equivalent. The thing with Monroe is, I'm not sure at all trading their big chip in Rondo would be necessary to get him. Van Gundy has all but said they will just let him walk if a team offers him more than Detroit wants to pay. So Monroe to me really comes down to what someone wants to pay him. Really they could do the deal I posted, clear out a bit more salary, and still get Monroe with the space that opens up for just money. So I don't really see it.

I also don't see it from Detroit's angle, they have a PG and would be giving up depth from a weaker position, and Rondo also isn't the type of perimeter shooting that SVG has favored in the past. It's a weird deal on their end.

[kbrow20]

What would you guys think of a three team trade?
Detroit get Bledsoe + Green
Boston get Dragic
Suns get Monroe + Jennings + 1st + 2nd of Boston

Detroit get their starting PG and fill a piece at SF they need
Drummond / Smith / Green / Meeks / Bledsoe

Boston get to move Green and get a great player back to play next to Rondo since Rondo can't shoot.
KO / Sullinger / Wallace / Dragic / Rondo

Suns get a legit C and get a Dragic Replacement
Monroe / Morris / Tucker / Jennings / Thomas

[Drax]

What would you guys think of a three team trade?
Detroit get Bledsoe + Green
Boston get Dragic
Suns get Monroe + Jennings + 1st + 2nd of Boston

Detroit get their starting PG and fill a piece at SF they need
Drummond / Smith / Green / Meeks / Bledsoe

Boston get to move Green and get a great player back to play next to Rondo since Rondo can't shoot.
KO / Sullinger / Wallace / Dragic / Rondo

Suns get a legit C and get a Dragic Replacement
Monroe / Morris / Tucker / Jennings / Thomas

I really like Dragic so yes please.