The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

AtheJ415 · Post #1301 » by **AtheJ415** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:14 pm

I contend that a player who has not had a huge payday will not choose to not play for no money as opposed to play for $48 million guaranteed. Nobody was willing to throw a max at him initially. His stock would only go down for sitting out.

Frank Lee wrote:I contend Bledsoe will hold out for a trade rather than play one minute as a sun. He does not have to sign anything. He does not have to play. It's too risky. Especially if he wants out of Phoenix.

Sun Scorched · Post #1302 » by **Sun Scorched** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:14 pm

Frank Lee wrote:I contend Bledsoe will hold out for a trade rather than play one minute as a sun. He does not have to sign anything. He does not have to play. It's too risky. Especially if he wants out of Phoenix.

If he wants a trade, he should sign our offer and work with us to send him somewhere both parties benefit from. But he has to sign. Taking a QO doesn't get him paid or dealt.

Taking the QO is literally the worst thing he can do - it will absolutely destroy his value.

Sun Scorched · Post #1303 » by **Sun Scorched** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:19 pm

I just realized how ridiculous this all is. We discussing the merits of a human being earning $48 million in four years.

**** occupy Wall Street - that's just insane.

Seriously. Haha. I'm amazed at how many people get torqued out of shape when a Wall Street exec makes a $6m bonus..... when that's tied directly to revenue and is a function of a very definable formula. Here, we have a player that has proven nothing, expecting to make, on average, $16 million per year - guaran-fing-teed - for a contract that is not tied to anything other that a player's personal view of his potential upside.

Hahahaha.

JTrain · Post #1304 » by **JTrain** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:20 pm

If you trade someone on QO, do they still become a UFA at the end of the season?

JTrain · Post #1305 » by **JTrain** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:26 pm

"relationship is on the express lane to being ruined."

Does anyone actually talk like that? Makes me think and hope this was manufactured by bad writers in Rich Paul's camp.

Sun Scorched · Post #1306 » by **Sun Scorched** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:28 pm

JTrain wrote:If you trade someone on QO, do they still become a UFA at the end of the season?

Yes - but it's my understanding that we cannot trade Bledsoe on the QO without his consent - don't know if that's true or not.

JTrain · Post #1307 » by **JTrain** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:30 pm

Sun Scorched wrote:
JTrain wrote:If you trade someone on QO, do they still become a UFA at the end of the season?

Yes - but it's my understanding that we cannot trade Bledsoe on the QO without his consent - don't know if that's true or not.

Then I imagine a team wouldn't trade valuable assets if Bledsoe could then bolt somewhere else after half a season.

Sun Scorched · Post #1308 » by **Sun Scorched** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:31 pm

JTrain wrote:"relationship is on the express lane to being ruined."

Does anyone actually talk like that? Makes me think and hope this was manufactured by bad writers in Rich Paul's camp.

Yeah - it's the good ole' "league sources" saying that. **** reporting, if you ask me. As has been pointed out several times, this is all a part of the process that the Suns, Bledsoe and his agent knew was coming. The Suns have done absolutely nothing wrong or shady throughout this process. This is Bledsoe's agent blaming the Suns for his inability to actually negotiate a contract for anyone not named LeBron.

Wouldn't this be Rich Paul's first real negotiation anyways? I mean LeBron is max and I know he reps other, random rookies, but has he ever actually negotiated a contract? Like real people do in the real world all the time?

jcsunsfan · Post #1309 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:36 pm

Frank Lee wrote:I contend Bledsoe will hold out for a trade rather than play one minute as a sun. He does not have to sign anything. He does not have to play. It's too risky. Especially if he wants out of Phoenix.

Why would he want out? Holding out for a trade won't get him any more money than the suns are offering and why should they trade him for trash.

This whole thing is so senseless.

JTrain · Post #1310 » by **JTrain** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:38 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:This whole thing is so senseless.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWkqBRuwjeY[/youtube]

Frank Lee · Post #1311 » by **Frank Lee** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:36 pm

Why would he sign the QO? He won't. He just won't show up for training camp. He is LeBron's boy. Not like his career is over. He'll be taken care of....and eventually play this year. Just not for us. The only leverage he has is to not play for the Suns.... And at this point, I think he will take the same amount of money to play somewhere else.

JDLAW · Post #1312 » by **JDLAW** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:57 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Why would he sign the QO? He won't. He just won't show up for training camp. He is LeBron's boy. Not like his career is over. He'll be taken care of....and eventually play this year. Just not for us. The only leverage he has is to not play for the Suns.... And at this point, I think he will take the same amount of money to play somewhere else.

He does not have any of those rights under the CBA. If he sits out or goes overseas, the Suns retain their RFA rights. All he does by sitting out is delay his decision.

If he sits out and then wants to come back, the Suns retain their right to match. If he goes overseas and comes back, the Suns retain their right to match. He cannot just go play for another NBA team.

If he becomes petulant and divisive his value goes down.

He is boxed in for the next year at least.

SSOL · Post #1313 » by **SSOL** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:59 pm

Why is everyone so doom and gloom? Did you watch the video of his interview? His words look way worse in print. He is just saying that the Suns are using the free agency rules to their advantage, AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT. That's it. There is no way he doesn't report this season. None. He will be a Sun and it will be for the long term. Just wait.

ShawnBronald · Post #1314 » by **ShawnBronald** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:10 pm

SSOL wrote:Why is everyone so doom and gloom? Did you watch the video of his interview? His words look way worse in print. He is just saying that the Suns are using the free agency rules to their advantage, AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT. That's it. There is no way he doesn't report this season. None. He will be a Sun and it will be for the long term. Just wait.

But, but, but......... "sources"! They can't be wrong.

RunDogGun · Post #1315 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:15 pm

Frank Lee wrote:I contend Bledsoe will hold out for a trade rather than play one minute as a sun. He does not have to sign anything. He does not have to play. It's too risky. Especially if he wants out of Phoenix.

Then we just extend the QO again, and he will remain a RFA until he comes back and wants to play. :nod:

RunDogGun · Post #1316 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:18 pm

Sun Scorched wrote:
JTrain wrote:If you trade someone on QO, do they still become a UFA at the end of the season?

Yes - but it's my understanding that we cannot trade Bledsoe on the QO without his consent - don't know if that's true or not.

Yes, I think that is right, and doesn't the team that acquires him lose his bird rights?

RunDogGun · Post #1317 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:20 pm

SSOL wrote:Why is everyone so doom and gloom? Did you watch the video of his interview? His words look way worse in print. He is just saying that the Suns are using the free agency rules to their advantage, AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT. That's it. There is no way he doesn't report this season. None. He will be a Sun and it will be for the long term. Just wait.

Or it could mean that he understands that his agent said we are using rules against him, not that he understands that the Suns have every right to treat him as a RFA. The interview does not clear any of that up.

Revived · Post #1318 » by **Revived** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:24 pm

SSOL wrote:Why is everyone so doom and gloom? Did you watch the video of his interview? His words look way worse in print. He is just saying that the Suns are using the free agency rules to their advantage, AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT. That's it. There is no way he doesn't report this season. None. He will be a Sun and it will be for the long term. Just wait.

More so than the video, people here are most pissed about the sources reporting to NBA.com that the relationship between the Suns and Bledsoe is starting to get ugly.

0013 · Post #1319 » by **0013** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:28 pm

Sun Scorched wrote:
JTrain wrote:"relationship is on the express lane to being ruined."

Does anyone actually talk like that? Makes me think and hope this was manufactured by bad writers in Rich Paul's camp.

Yeah - it's the good ole' "league sources" saying that. **** reporting, if you ask me. As has been pointed out several times, this is all a part of the process that the Suns, Bledsoe and his agent knew was coming. The Suns have done absolutely nothing wrong or shady throughout this process. This is Bledsoe's agent blaming the Suns for his inability to actually negotiate a contract for anyone not named LeBron.

Wouldn't this be Rich Paul's first real negotiation anyways? I mean LeBron is max and I know he reps other, random rookies, but has he ever actually negotiated a contract? Like real people do in the real world all the time?

It's Paul's second actual negotiation AFAIK. His first was Kevin Seraphin who is playing on the QO this season if that tells you anything...

JDLAW · Post #1320 » by **JDLAW** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:37 pm

SF88 wrote:
SSOL wrote:Why is everyone so doom and gloom? Did you watch the video of his interview? His words look way worse in print. He is just saying that the Suns are using the free agency rules to their advantage, AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT. That's it. There is no way he doesn't report this season. None. He will be a Sun and it will be for the long term. Just wait.

More so than the video, people here are most pissed about the sources reporting to NBA.com that the relationship between the Suns and Bledsoe is starting to get ugly.

It was not reported to NBA.com. It was reported to an Trailblazer "insider" who works for Comcast NW. Why this hack broke a "story" from 'league sources" about the Suns is curious, but I suspect it is a plant by Paul or this hack's own interpretation of Bledsoe's comments.

It is a strange story with no suggested solution or comments attributable to the parties.

Once a story like this is out there, it will usually spread like wildfire , but the legit journalists are simply reporting this with citations to the Comcast reporter's story. No follow-up that I have seen has anything new from the parties.