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Final trade thoughts

Great deal
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Good deal
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Good deal, but I wanted more
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So so deal
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Bad deal
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8%
This team is trying to destroy all meaning and make a mockery of the very fabric of the universe
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Re: Sixers, Cavs, Wolves. 

Post#141 » by plead.5th » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:41 am

Who on our roster of guard is doing anything like this? While I agree his conditioning can be better, I've seen Dion finish at all levels and unathletic isn't the right description. Poor conditioning maybe. Feel free to just check out the last 4, which aren't fast break dunks. I'm ok with that athleticism at the 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A11lUGR0t_U

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plead.5th wrote:Unathletic? Really? Maybe you've never seen him play basketball before

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I'd actually give Bennett a look see before Waiters. I see Waiters topping out as an un-athletic Ben Gordon. I also despise the attitude concerns he's been labeled as having. The one thing that can kill chemistry and delay development is bad attitudes.


Or maybe I have? It has been detailed time and again that Waiters is poor finishing at the rim. There is a reason for that. He can't explode to the rim as is necessary. I'm surprised you'd debate that. Its well known that he's not a vertical threat. ??
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Post#142 » by 76ciology » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:17 am

Are the wolves rebuilding? Why would they pay some team to absorb KMart?
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Post#143 » by Mr Sixer » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:42 am

plead.5th wrote:Who on our roster of guard is doing anything like this? While I agree his conditioning can be better, I've seen Dion finish at all levels and unathletic isn't the right description. Poor conditioning maybe. Feel free to just check out the last 4, which aren't fast break dunks. I'm ok with that athleticism at the 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A11lUGR0t_U

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plead.5th wrote:Unathletic? Really? Maybe you've never seen him play basketball before



Or maybe I have? It has been detailed time and again that Waiters is poor finishing at the rim. There is a reason for that. He can't explode to the rim as is necessary. I'm surprised you'd debate that. Its well known that he's not a vertical threat. ??

We can't have 2 ball dominant guards without great shooting. Unless one of them becomes a lockdown 3 point shooter miraculously we need one of our guards to be able to really space the floor, which will probably have to be the 2 guard since that won't be MCW. Unless we take on Waiters and pump up his value and then flip him, I can't see him in the long term plans for this team
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Post#144 » by maddog50 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:57 am

Mr Sixer wrote:We can't have 2 ball dominant guards without great shooting. Unless one of them becomes a lockdown 3 point shooter miraculously we need one of our guards to be able to really space the floor, which will probably have to be the 2 guard since that won't be MCW. Unless we take on Waiters and pump up his value and then flip him, I can't see him in the long term plans for this team


I think Waiters can be that guy if he continues to improve on last season. He's Craig Hodges compared to MCW, anyway.
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Post#145 » by 42uptop » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:57 am

plead.5th wrote:Who on our roster of guard is doing anything like this? While I agree his conditioning can be better, I've seen Dion finish at all levels and unathletic isn't the right description. Poor conditioning maybe. Feel free to just check out the last 4, which aren't fast break dunks. I'm ok with that athleticism at the 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A11lUGR0t_U

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plead.5th wrote:Unathletic? Really? Maybe you've never seen him play basketball before



Or maybe I have? It has been detailed time and again that Waiters is poor finishing at the rim. There is a reason for that. He can't explode to the rim as is necessary. I'm surprised you'd debate that. Its well known that he's not a vertical threat. ??


Waiters shot below 50 percent from the left side of the rim. Do you realize how difficult it is to do that? That's Evan Turner-esque. A few highlights don't eliminate facts, Waiters is awful on those drives to the basket and it hurts his efficiency.
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Re: Sixers, Cavs, Wolves. 

Post#146 » by Aussiepiston1 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:19 am

plead.5th wrote:Who on our roster of guard is doing anything like this? While I agree his conditioning can be better, I've seen Dion finish at all levels and unathletic isn't the right description. Poor conditioning maybe. Feel free to just check out the last 4, which aren't fast break dunks. I'm ok with that athleticism at the 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A11lUGR0t_U

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plead.5th wrote:Unathletic? Really? Maybe you've never seen him play basketball before



Or maybe I have? It has been detailed time and again that Waiters is poor finishing at the rim. There is a reason for that. He can't explode to the rim as is necessary. I'm surprised you'd debate that. Its well known that he's not a vertical threat. ??

Although I like Dion Waiters and those Dunks, I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Sixers either but if you notice his vertical is very poor compared to the upper echelon athletes of the NBA, his head barely touches the net when he dunks.
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Post#147 » by SJSF » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:25 pm

No interest in Waiters. He has a low PER and has a bad attitude He is also a short SG.
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Post#148 » by still in payne » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:40 pm

Something about to happen? Love pulls out of team USA and now:

Jerry Zgoda: Re: Anthony Bennett pulled from Toronto pro-am by agent...If anyone would know a Love trade nears, it's Jeff Schwartz, who reps both players Twitter @JerryZgoda
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Post#149 » by Ericb5 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:10 pm

SJSF wrote:No interest in Waiters. He has a low PER and has a bad attitude He is also a short SG.


I love the PER stat in general to evaluate players, and think that it is easily the best single stat that most approximates a player's value that I have ever come across. However, it is a statistical measure of production, and not a statistical measure of talent. It measures what you can currently do, but if you are an inch away from success or totally off the mark, it measures you the same way. For example, it measures your shooting percentage, but it has no quantification to show whether you are back rimming shots with a defender or two in your face, or if you are air balling open jump shots.

Waiters is a 22 year old kid in a borderline toxic situation with Irving as his point guard. Waiters and MCW is a dream combination for him compared to Waiters and Irving.

He is also a cranky and immature guy with a bad attitude, which obviously contributes to the problem. I'm not saying that he is blameless, but I do think that these are mitigating factors that keep down his PER.

I agree that ideally we would want a better shooting and defending 2 guard on our team, but the number one skill that he has is one that is absolutely essential on a team. He is a high level scorer. You can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Waiters has the potential on this team to score 20+ points a game with better efficiency due primarily to playing with a better match at the point for him. He is a guy that wants the ball, and those guys are more often than not born, and not made.

He won't reach his potential if he doesn't improve his conditioning and his attitude, and many players that have those problems never do improve them, but his talent is worth a try.

I wouldn't be for signing him if he was a free agent and we were going to have to pay him 10 million a year, but if we can get him for basically just Thad and cash for a couple of years on his rookie deal before we have to decide then it is a no brainer.
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Post#150 » by Moses_Doc_83 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:32 pm

still in payne wrote:Something about to happen? Love pulls out of team USA and now:

Jerry Zgoda: Re: Anthony Bennett pulled from Toronto pro-am by agent...If anyone would know a Love trade nears, it's Jeff Schwartz, who reps both players Twitter @JerryZgoda


The salaries match on Wiggins and Bennett for Love now that Wiggins is signed. The only questions are is it a straight trade or are the Sixers involved shipping out Thad, and how many draft picks is Cleveland sending out.
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Post#151 » by MCtripDub » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:20 am

Quick question. So Wiggy can't be traded until after 30 days since signing his rookie contract right? But does that mean that Min and Cle can't agree on a deal beforehand? It just got me thinking about the Jrue-Noel deal. I seem to remember (I may be wrong though) that we couldn't introduce Noel and MCW at the same time since the deal with NOLA couldn't be approved until a certain date. Would the Min Cle situation be similar then? Coz if so, we may not even need to wait around for a month to find out about that blockbuster deal haha
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Post#152 » by snoopdogg88 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:30 am

no interest in cancer/loser like Dion Waiters

Guys like Waiters strikes me as another Steve Francis/Derrick Coleman type.
Just not the kind of player I want infiltrating this young team.


I'd take Anthony Bennett over him, and I don't even like Bennett
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Post#153 » by Cokeleaf » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:02 am

Soooo, Cavaliers have four potential first round picks next season. Let's take a couple of them.

Grizzlies (protected #1-5 and #15-30)
Heat (protected top 10)
Kings (protected top 10)
and the worse of Cavaliers' and Bulls'

I can see Sixers pinching off two picks because they're all heavily protected or expected to not be high (Bulls pick)
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Post#154 » by 76ciology » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:23 am

Cokeleaf wrote:Soooo, Cavaliers have four potential first round picks next season. Let's take a couple of them.

Grizzlies (protected #1-5 and #15-30)
Heat (protected top 10)
Kings (protected top 10)
and the worse of Cavaliers' and Bulls'

I can see Sixers pinching off two picks because they're all heavily protected or expected to not be high (Bulls pick)


I'd take that Grizz pick. I see the Pel's replacing them in the west PO next season.
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Post#155 » by DayofMourning » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:18 am

76ciology wrote:
Cokeleaf wrote:Soooo, Cavaliers have four potential first round picks next season. Let's take a couple of them.

Grizzlies (protected #1-5 and #15-30)
Heat (protected top 10)
Kings (protected top 10)
and the worse of Cavaliers' and Bulls'

I can see Sixers pinching off two picks because they're all heavily protected or expected to not be high (Bulls pick)


I'd take that Grizz pick. I see the Pel's replacing them in the west PO next season.


Bennett and that pick would be a good return I think.

In reference to Bennett, I like starters to fit fairly standard position definition. Meaning a point guard should be pass first, a shooting guard should look to score, a power forward should be able to bang but also have a good jump shot, etc. However, for the bench, I like it if players can sort of float between two positions in order to provide good support to whatever position needs relief. The Sixers have that in Wroten (PG/SG) and KJ (SG/SF) already. Bennett could be a SF/PF floater.
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Post#156 » by BoomBap » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:36 pm

76ciology wrote:
Cokeleaf wrote:Soooo, Cavaliers have four potential first round picks next season. Let's take a couple of them.

Grizzlies (protected #1-5 and #15-30)
Heat (protected top 10)
Kings (protected top 10)
and the worse of Cavaliers' and Bulls'

I can see Sixers pinching off two picks because they're all heavily protected or expected to not be high (Bulls pick)


I'd take that Grizz pick. I see the Pel's replacing them in the west PO next season.


A Healthy Marc Gasol = Griz with HCA...easily
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Post#157 » by Benfitnyc » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:25 pm

76ciology wrote:
Cokeleaf wrote:Soooo, Cavaliers have four potential first round picks next season. Let's take a couple of them.

Grizzlies (protected #1-5 and #15-30)
Heat (protected top 10)
Kings (protected top 10)
and the worse of Cavaliers' and Bulls'

I can see Sixers pinching off two picks because they're all heavily protected or expected to not be high (Bulls pick)


I'd take that Grizz pick. I see the Pel's replacing them in the west PO next season.


Agreed in that being an intriguing pick.. I can see NO or PHO or even Sacto replacing them for 7th/8th seed.
With an injury for an extended period of time to Conley or Gasol and I see that team having the 8th-13th pick in next years draft.
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Post#158 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:34 pm

Cokeleaf wrote:Soooo, Cavaliers have four potential first round picks next season. Let's take a couple of them.

Grizzlies (protected #1-5 and #15-30)
Heat (protected top 10)
Kings (protected top 10)
and the worse of Cavaliers' and Bulls'

I can see Sixers pinching off two picks because they're all heavily protected or expected to not be high (Bulls pick)


The Kings pick was traded
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Post#159 » by Cokeleaf » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:23 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
Cokeleaf wrote:Soooo, Cavaliers have four potential first round picks next season. Let's take a couple of them.

Grizzlies (protected #1-5 and #15-30)
Heat (protected top 10)
Kings (protected top 10)
and the worse of Cavaliers' and Bulls'

I can see Sixers pinching off two picks because they're all heavily protected or expected to not be high (Bulls pick)


The Kings pick was traded


Bulls have conditional rights to swap is that correct?
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Re: Sixers, Cavs, Wolves. 

Post#160 » by SJSF » Fri Aug 1, 2014 1:48 pm

If we get nothing but a draft pick for Thad it's a win win. No need to have a 9m bench caliber player that wants to get traded sitting on the roster. Besides Thad doesn't have a future with the Sixers with Nerlens and Embiid on the roster. Rather have Sims and Noel as the starters.

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