The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[batsmasher]

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<3 Marcin

[carey]

Agreed. I get that you look out for yourself first but not at the expense of forgetting that you are an entertainer and your paid by your fans who are consumers.

I think that's a bit far. That's like expecting Jerry Seinfeld to do a 2min bit for you because he's an entertainer and you're a fan.

What? That's not even remotely similar.

[lilfishi22]

Agreed. I get that you look out for yourself first but not at the expense of forgetting that you are an entertainer and your paid by your fans who are consumers.

I think that's a bit far. That's like expecting Jerry Seinfeld to do a 2min bit for you because he's an entertainer and you're a fan.

What? That's not even remotely similar.

You're expecting someone who is off the job, to still be doing their job. If Hugh Jackman walked past you with his family, would you expect him to be doing Wolverine impressions for you? Bledsoe is an entertainer when he's on the court but when he's off the court, he still has a life; his own. Entertainers shouldn't be expected to apply their craft 24/7.

[Kerrsed]

You're expecting someone who is off the job, to still be doing their job. If Hugh Jackman walked past you with his family, would you expect him to be doing Wolverine impressions for you? Bledsoe is an entertainer when he's on the court but when he's off the court, he still has a life; his own. Entertainers shouldn't be expected to apply their craft 24/7.

I dont know, if im walking down the street and i run into Skin Diamond walking her dog, i am definitely expecting SOMETHING!

[lilfishi22]

I dont know, if im walking down the street and i run into Skin Diamond walking her dog, i am definitely expecting SOMETHING!

[SSOL]

Hmmm Gambo is Sarver's guy. I wonder if this is Sarver talking?

[Blackification]

Hmmm Gambo is Sarver's guy. I wonder if this is Sarver talking?

This is what everyone except for bledsoe and his agent talking. Media, nba people, fans everyone gets it but rich paul

[drewsprocket]

And **** what anyone says about his understated demeanor. He needs to seriously repair his reputation with the fans if he wants to re-sign here. He needs to verbally express it to the fans.

And also, in before someone comes at me saying "he doesn't owe us anything. this is a business."

Agreed. I get that you look out for yourself first but not at the expense of forgetting that you are an entertainer and your paid by your fans who are consumers.

I think that's a bit far. That's like expecting Jerry Seinfeld to do a 2min bit for you because he's an entertainer and you're a fan.

Perhaps you're being both too literal and at the same time hyperbolic. No one is saying he needs to call a press conference to look deeply into the eyes of Suns Fans and tell us he loves Phx and the organization. He would, however, be better off giving more to his fans in terms of showing appreciation via interviews or whatever. We all questioned this at the seasons end about his thoughts. Being more positive in the media about loving your fans or city is pretty standard for players to say. I think we'd all agree that Bled is somewhat distant in that regard to showing Phx fans some love. In fact, it's hurting himself today because of it. I mean, imagine how different it would be if he was our golden boy. Our most adored players were the one's who acted as if they were a Phoenician. We'd be blaming McD to get it done. He's possibly losing a few bucks because of it and doesn't even know it. I'm the type of fan who appreciates basketball playing vs. my player's celebrity image but we all know it still makes something of a difference with who we root for.
Bledsoe thus far is somewhere in between Shawn Marion and Antonio Mcdyess in terms of his affect towards fans. And I don't think that's a good thing for him.

I loved Marion but he was a bit of a grumpy -- knowwhatI'msayin' -- and the first to claim being the victim. He would refuse to develop his offensive game (take contact and get to the free throw line more, or develop his ball handling, or shooting) but would always complain of not having plays ran for him. Then there was his complaints about playing PF when it was clearly a novel thing, then that time he pondered openly how cool it might be the number one guy on a nonplayoff team. But it was easy otherwise to appreciate him for being what he was otherwise despite not being a T Mac/Paul Pierce type (those were old silly expectations).


Regardless, you gotta show fans some love. Seinfeld wants to make you laugh. He doesn't need to tell you he appreciates you. Bledsoe, whether he's playing for a contract or/and his teammates still needs to sell tickets and jerseys and all that ****. And if he can't shine a little sunshine towards his fans in a star driven league and show some dedication to winning in the post season, then he can go eat a D1ck.

[gaspar]

Gambo just went in on Bledsoe and his agent lol

Love the comments about the Comcast writer up in Portland. Made my day !

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/494643018062774272[/tweet]

[lilfishi22]

Perhaps you're being both too literal and at the same time hyperbolic. No one is saying he needs to call a press conference to look deeply into the eyes of Suns Fans and tell us he loves Phx and the organization. He would, however, be better off giving more to his fans in terms of showing appreciation via interviews or whatever. We all questioned this at the seasons end about his thoughts. Being more positive in the media about loving your fans or city is pretty standard for players to say. I think we'd all agree that Bled is somewhat distant in that regard to showing Phx fans some love. In fact, it's hurting himself today because of it. I mean, imagine how different it would be if he was our golden boy. Our most adored players were the one's who acted as if they were a Phoenician. We'd be blaming McD to get it done. He's possibly losing a few bucks because of it and doesn't even know it. I'm the type of fan who appreciates basketball playing vs. my player's celebrity image but we all know it still makes something of a difference with who we root for.
Bledsoe thus far is somewhere in between Shawn Marion and Antonio Mcdyess in terms of his affect towards fans. And I don't think that's a good thing for him.

I loved Marion but he was a bit of a grumpy -- knowwhatI'msayin' -- and the first to claim being the victim. He would refuse to develop his offensive game (take contact and get to the free throw line more, or develop his ball handling, or shooting) but would always complain of not having plays ran for him. Then there was his complaints about playing PF when it was clearly a novel thing, then that time he pondered openly how cool it might be the number one guy on a nonplayoff team. But it was easy otherwise to appreciate him for being what he was otherwise despite not being a T Mac/Paul Pierce type (those were old silly expectations).


Regardless, you gotta show fans some love. Seinfeld wants to make you laugh. He doesn't need to tell you he appreciates you. Bledsoe, whether he's playing for a contract or/and his teammates still needs to sell tickets and jerseys and all that ****. And if he can't shine a little sunshine towards his fans in a star driven league and show some dedication to winning in the post season, then he can go eat a D1ck.

That's a PR issue and most athletes have a team or at least an advisor for those sorts of things. Getting interviews, getting shoe deals, fan signings, are all handled by a PR firm or a PR guy in Bledsoe's camp. Sure he could be a little more open and connect with his fans more but it isn't him and I really think some of us here are looking WAYYYY too deep into what he isn't doing.

The whole time he was with the Suns, he was a consummate pro and he's reserving his rights to stay quiet while he agent "sorts" things out. I just think some fans expect too much from the players sometimes.

[harshey1388]

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<3 Marcin

He's a grown @$$ man.

Bledsoe should be too.

[spanishninja]

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<3 Marcin

He's a grown @$$ man.

Bledsoe should be too.

difference between Gortat and Bledsoe is that Gortat knows he isn't worth 12 mill a year, happily takes it anyway.

[Stix]

Kyle Lawrie?

[BurningHeart]

I just realized how ridiculous this all is. We discussing the merits of a human being earning $48 million in four years.

**** occupy Wall Street - that's just insane.

Seriously. Haha. I'm amazed at how many people get torqued out of shape when a Wall Street exec makes a $6m bonus..... when that's tied directly to revenue and is a function of a very definable formula. Here, we have a player that has proven nothing, expecting to make, on average, $16 million per year - guaran-fing-teed - for a contract that is not tied to anything other that a player's personal view of his potential upside.

Hahahaha.

Narratives are strong as ****, unfortunately. That's why you always hear people whining about the evils of "Wall Street" and "oil companies" and "corporations" and "health insurance companies" and all that other trite bull that people have been fed for decades on end.

[RunDogGun]

I just realized how ridiculous this all is. We discussing the merits of a human being earning $48 million in four years.

**** occupy Wall Street - that's just insane.

Seriously. Haha. I'm amazed at how many people get torqued out of shape when a Wall Street exec makes a $6m bonus..... when that's tied directly to revenue and is a function of a very definable formula. Here, we have a player that has proven nothing, expecting to make, on average, $16 million per year - guaran-fing-teed - for a contract that is not tied to anything other that a player's personal view of his potential upside.

Hahahaha.

Narratives are strong as ****, unfortunately. That's why you always hear people whining about the evils of "Wall Street" and "oil companies" and "corporations" and "health insurance companies" and all that other trite bull that people have been fed for decades on end.

It doesn't really bother me what someone makes, but I don't really care for guys on Wall Street making bad decisions, or large corporations, while my tax dollar goes to bailing them out of those decisions. More importantly we rarely hear of those arses seeing jail time, when they do illegal crap, while the normal folk are being thrown in jail for having a little bit of weed.

The money isn't the issue, it would be the double standard. Let's not even get started on the oil companies, and what they are doing to the planet for their profit, and who ends up taking those mistakes in the end (literally).

[aIvin adams]

I just realized how ridiculous this all is. We discussing the merits of a human being earning $48 million in four years.

**** occupy Wall Street - that's just insane.

Seriously. Haha. I'm amazed at how many people get torqued out of shape when a Wall Street exec makes a $6m bonus..... when that's tied directly to revenue and is a function of a very definable formula. Here, we have a player that has proven nothing, expecting to make, on average, $16 million per year - guaran-fing-teed - for a contract that is not tied to anything other that a player's personal view of his potential upside.

Hahahaha.

Narratives are strong as ****, unfortunately. That's why you always hear people whining about the evils of "Wall Street" and "oil companies" and "corporations" and "health insurance companies" and all that other trite bull that people have been fed for decades on end.

yah it's the MSM that coerced me into disliking oil companies. with their "footage" of oil "disasters" in the "gulf" (if the gulf is even real and not a total fabrication of Keith olbermann's)

[BurningHeart]

What's a Keith Olbermann?

[WTFsunsFTW]

The Suns should take the offer off the table, waive Bledsoe's bird rights, QO, and cap hold, so Bledsoe can get a true taste of unrestricted free agency.

What? There are no teams that can make you an offer you'd accept? I thought your agent convinced you RFA was the biggest issue at hand?


Then offer him the same contract Dragic got.

[phrazbit]

The Suns should take the offer off the table, waive Bledsoe's bird rights, QO, and cap hold, so Bledsoe can get a true taste of unrestricted free agency.

What? There are no teams that can make you an offer you'd accept? I thought your agent convinced you RFA was the biggest issue at hand?


Then offer him the same contract Dragic got.

You're fooling yourself if thats how you think it would go down. I guarantee there are teams out there who would gladly pay 48 mil for 4 years for Bledsoe, but they know for a fact the Suns would match that particular deal, and why should they do the Suns any favors?

Your scenario would merely burn bridges and cost us a valuable player and asset.

People need to stop taking this so personal. Its a contract negotiation... this stuff happens in every sport. Its amazing how fast the relationship gets repaired once a guy actually signs Minnesota went through this last year with Pek, he wanted a max deal, held out until mid August, eventually signed for 12 mil a year (sound familiar?).

The Suns are playing their strategy, Bledsoe's (bad)agent is playing his.

[lilfishi22]

You're fooling yourself if thats how you think it would go down. I guarantee there are teams out there who would gladly pay 48 mil for 4 years for Bledsoe, but they know for a fact the Suns would match that particular deal, and why should they do the Suns any favors?

Your scenario would merely burn bridges and cost us a valuable player and asset.

People need to stop taking this so personal. Its a contract negotiation... this stuff happens in every sport. Its amazing how fast the relationship gets repaired once a guy actually signs Minnesota went through this last year with Pek, he wanted a max deal, held out until mid August, eventually signed for 12 mil a year (sound familiar?).

The Suns are playing their strategy, Bledsoe's (bad)agent is playing his.

Perfect post