The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

WTFsunsFTW · Post #1381 » by **WTFsunsFTW** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 10:13 am

What?!

I don't think that's how it would go down, hence I used the word should. There are like 3 teams that can even offer him 12+ mill a season! No one can or will offer more than us even as an UFA!

It wouldn't burn bridges, it would be giving him exactly what he wants; to not have RFA impact his negotiations.

Revived · Post #1382 » by **Revived** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 10:19 am

Does anyone else find it humurous that the same people who think Tucker shouldnt get any hate for his DUI are the same people who are flaming Bledsoe?

Oh mind you, Tucker committed a crime this summer while Bledsoe's been running charity basketball tournaments and obeying the law this summer.

Frank Lee · Post #1383 » by **Frank Lee** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 11:28 am

SF88 wrote:Does anyone else find it humurous that the same people who think Tucker shouldnt get any hate for his DUI are the same people who are flaming Bledsoe?

Oh mind you, Tucker committed a crime this summer while Bledsoe's been running charity basketball tournaments and obeying the law this summer.

apples and oranges SF

Tucker F-d up... but he wants to be a Sun. He F-s up again and I doubt he will remain one. Fortunately, his mistake only resulted in embarrassment. I trust he is very sheepish about it as well.

BTW... do you 'text' and drive ? Almost 1/4 of the accidents today are cell phone related. Just saying, careful when you throw stones. And FYI, not only have I used my cell phone while driving, I am quite certain I used while I was driving 'legally' intoxicated. .08 is not hard to achieve. And mind you, I am quite cautious these days on the road.
knock knock

Jdiddy701 · Post #1384 » by **Jdiddy701** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 12:37 pm

I just hope we get this Bledsoe situation taken care of this weekend.

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Bulk · Post #1385 » by **Bulk** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 1:43 pm

The Suns FO stance is correct and I hope they stick with it (If another 1M per year seals the deal fine, otherwise stick with 48/4 or 60/5). They gave a fair value contract to Bledsoe, if he wants a better offer, he should attempt to sign a better offer sheet with another team. Rich Paul can't find one? Maybe that should be a reality check on his real market value for him and Paul.

I'm not worried about the situation honestly, I'd rather be Babby and McD than Rich Paul because the time moves forward in our favor as the other teams are spending their money in another players. If Bledsoe goes for the QO, it can be a terrible gamble given his injury history but at least he has to bust his ass off to keep/boost his market value. But he will end up signing the offer, even if it's only in September/October.

RunDogGun · Post #1386 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 2:06 pm

aIvin adams wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:
Sun Scorched wrote:I just realized how ridiculous this all is. We discussing the merits of a human being earning $48 million in four years.

**** occupy Wall Street - that's just insane.

Seriously. Haha. I'm amazed at how many people get torqued out of shape when a Wall Street exec makes a $6m bonus..... when that's tied directly to revenue and is a function of a very definable formula. Here, we have a player that has proven nothing, expecting to make, on average, $16 million per year - guaran-fing-teed - for a contract that is not tied to anything other that a player's personal view of his potential upside.

Hahahaha.

Narratives are strong as ****, unfortunately. That's why you always hear people whining about the evils of "Wall Street" and "oil companies" and "corporations" and "health insurance companies" and all that other trite bull that people have been fed for decades on end.

yah it's the MSM that coerced me into disliking oil companies. with their "footage" of oil "disasters" in the "gulf" (if the gulf is even real and not a total fabrication of Keith olbermann's)

HBO's show Vice did a good piece on the Gulf as well. Their piece on the nuclear plant in Japan was solid, and quite disturbing.

RunDogGun · Post #1387 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 2:10 pm

Bulk wrote:The Suns FO stance is correct and I hope they stick with it (If another 1M per year seals the deal fine, otherwise stick with 48/4 or 60/5). They gave a fair value contract to Bledsoe, if he wants a better offer, he should attempt to sign a better offer sheet with another team. Rich Paul can't find one? Maybe that should be a reality check on his real market value for him and Paul.

I'm not worried about the situation honestly, I'd rather be Babby and McD than Rich Paul because the time moves forward in our favor as the other teams are spending their money in another players. If Bledsoe goes for the QO, it can be a terrible gamble given his injury history but at least he has to bust his ass off to keep/boost his market value. But he will end up signing the offer, even if it's only in September/October.

I don't want to give him the fifth year. It will make him our signature player (we are only allowed one), and not only has he not earned that, after this waiting it out crap, he is now low on the totem pole for liked players.

The fifth year I'll be given to the player we see as a franchise player.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1388 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 2:21 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
SF88 wrote:Does anyone else find it humurous that the same people who think Tucker shouldnt get any hate for his DUI are the same people who are flaming Bledsoe?

Oh mind you, Tucker committed a crime this summer while Bledsoe's been running charity basketball tournaments and obeying the law this summer.

apples and oranges SF

Tucker F-d up... but he wants to be a Sun. He F-s up again and I doubt he will remain one. Fortunately, his mistake only resulted in embarrassment. I trust he is very sheepish about it as well.

BTW... do you 'text' and drive ? Almost 1/4 of the accidents today are cell phone related. Just saying, careful when you throw stones. And FYI, not only have I used my cell phone while driving, I am quite certain I used while I was driving 'legally' intoxicated. .08 is not hard to achieve. And mind you, I am quite cautious these days on the road.
knock knock

Comparing texting and driving to drinking and driving is(and I quote you) apples and oranges.

Besides, tucker didn't have a just a "few", he was obliterated. He was so drunk, he couldn't tell you what planet he was on. I would have loved to see how a text would come out from him. It would have been a foreign language.

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Bulk · Post #1389 » by **Bulk** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 2:26 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
Bulk wrote:The Suns FO stance is correct and I hope they stick with it (If another 1M per year seals the deal fine, otherwise stick with 48/4 or 60/5). They gave a fair value contract to Bledsoe, if he wants a better offer, he should attempt to sign a better offer sheet with another team. Rich Paul can't find one? Maybe that should be a reality check on his real market value for him and Paul.

I'm not worried about the situation honestly, I'd rather be Babby and McD than Rich Paul because the time moves forward in our favor as the other teams are spending their money in another players. If Bledsoe goes for the QO, it can be a terrible gamble given his injury history but at least he has to bust his ass off to keep/boost his market value. But he will end up signing the offer, even if it's only in September/October.

I don't want to give him the fifth year. It will make him our signature player (we are only allowed one), and not only has he not earned that, after this waiting it out crap, he is now low on the totem pole for liked players.

The fifth year I'll be given to the player we see as a franchise player.

The most important thing that this negotiation carries is the impact it will have for Dragic contract negotiations next year. In his shoes, I'd want to get at least the same amount Bledsoe gets. That's why it's important to stay firm and grounded and do not overpay Bledsoe if not necessary. It will make a significant difference down the line having these two guards locked up by 24-26M/year rather than 30M+. This is a difference that can land a productive role player to provide extra depth.

Having said that, I'm fine with Bledsoe having a 5 year contract but preferably with a team option last year as long as Dragic gets a bigger amount per year in a 4 year scenario as he is more proven and a better player at the moment.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1390 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 2:34 pm

http://hawkshoop.com/wojnarowski-hawks- ... roe-trade/

"Detroit has tried to help [Monroe] with some sign and trade possibilities around the league. Monroe doesn’t really have a great interest in going back and playing with the Pistons. If they’re going to move him in a sign-and-trade, they’ve got to get value for him. They’ve got to get back some significant talent to compensate for that loss. They haven’t been able to find a deal for him.

They’ve talked with Atlanta, I believe they talked with Phoenix for a while. Portland had some interest early on, but those teams moved on. They could have signed Monroe to an offer sheet but Detroit would have likely matched it."

So we have talked to Detroit. Wonder what's going on with this right now? It says we have moved on but I don't think it's dead. The Monroe situation is just like Bledsoe. Both think they are worth more than they really are.

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jcsunsfan · Post #1391 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 2:54 pm

Restricted free agents shouldnt think of themselves as free agents. They should think of themselves as limited opportunity players. They have a limited opportunity to get a much bigger payday if they can get another team to bite.

Fo-Real · Post #1392 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 2:59 pm

My name is Fo-Real..... and I have driven drunk before. I would like to personally apologize to every man, woman, child, little puppy and baby Jesus for my past. Figured I would be the first one to begin the cleansing, and start the healing. I was young and stupid...... and had growing up to do... and have. Figured I would be the first to start it for you guys to feel better. :hug:

Post #1393 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:02 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
Bulk wrote:The Suns FO stance is correct and I hope they stick with it (If another 1M per year seals the deal fine, otherwise stick with 48/4 or 60/5). They gave a fair value contract to Bledsoe, if he wants a better offer, he should attempt to sign a better offer sheet with another team. Rich Paul can't find one? Maybe that should be a reality check on his real market value for him and Paul.

I'm not worried about the situation honestly, I'd rather be Babby and McD than Rich Paul because the time moves forward in our favor as the other teams are spending their money in another players. If Bledsoe goes for the QO, it can be a terrible gamble given his injury history but at least he has to bust his ass off to keep/boost his market value. But he will end up signing the offer, even if it's only in September/October.

I don't want to give him the fifth year. It will make him our signature player (we are only allowed one), and not only has he not earned that, after this waiting it out crap, he is now low on the totem pole for liked players.

The fifth year I'll be given to the player we see as a franchise player.

I agree. If TJ Warren broke out to be one of the top scorers in the league (or if a guy we draft next year becomes a super stud), you want to reserve that designated player option for him since you only get to have one at any given time on your team (we can give a 5 year contract to Goran regardless since the DP only applies to people coming off rookie contracts).

Jdiddy701 · Post #1394 » by **Jdiddy701** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:04 pm

Eric Bledsoe is in Cleveland according to his Instagram....

WIGGINS WIGGINS WIGGINS.

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Sunsdeuce · Post #1395 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:05 pm

Warren is starting to get a lot of attention. He may just be the steal of the draft. Trying not to get too exited. Just remembered how Marcus banks was a summer league superstar.

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Post #1396 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:06 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Eric Bledsoe is in Cleveland according to his Instagram....

WIGGINS WIGGINS WIGGINS.

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Perhaps meeting with his agent? I'm guessing Cleveland doesn't want two maxed out point guards to play with their maxed out point forward, and that Love is more desirable for LeBron and Cleveland than Bledsoe.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1397 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:06 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Eric Bledsoe is in Cleveland according to his Instagram....

WIGGINS WIGGINS WIGGINS.

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We are some dedicated suns fans. We know more about what these players are doing than most sports reporters.

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Post #1398 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:07 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Warren is starting to get a lot of attention. He may just be the steal of the draft. Trying not to get too exited. Just remembered how Marcus banks was a summer league superstar.

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They're not calling him the next Bernard King for nothing..

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poHEMLd9Z4g[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-U86VQSFHc[/youtube]

Sunsdeuce · Post #1399 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:16 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Warren is starting to get a lot of attention. He may just be the steal of the draft. Trying not to get too exited. Just remembered how Marcus banks was a summer league superstar.

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They're not calling him the next Bernard King for nothing..

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-U86VQSFHc[/youtube]

I don't really watch much college but he has a closet full of trophies and awards. I'm wondering how he got over looked?

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gaspar · Post #1400 » by **gaspar** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:28 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
Bulk wrote:The Suns FO stance is correct and I hope they stick with it (If another 1M per year seals the deal fine, otherwise stick with 48/4 or 60/5). They gave a fair value contract to Bledsoe, if he wants a better offer, he should attempt to sign a better offer sheet with another team. Rich Paul can't find one? Maybe that should be a reality check on his real market value for him and Paul.

I'm not worried about the situation honestly, I'd rather be Babby and McD than Rich Paul because the time moves forward in our favor as the other teams are spending their money in another players. If Bledsoe goes for the QO, it can be a terrible gamble given his injury history but at least he has to bust his ass off to keep/boost his market value. But he will end up signing the offer, even if it's only in September/October.

I don't want to give him the fifth year. It will make him our signature player (we are only allowed one), and not only has he not earned that, after this waiting it out crap, he is now low on the totem pole for liked players.

The fifth year I'll be given to the player we see as a franchise player.

It only applies if a player signs an extension. Bledsoe will sign with the Suns as a free agent. Wall got a 5-year extension and Gortat signed a 5-year contract as a free agent with the Wizards.