Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

BullsFTW · Post #1821 » by **BullsFTW** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:45 pm

mademan wrote:
BullsFTW wrote:
mademan wrote:
You can go ask Wolves fans, all the rumours out are Bennet/Wiggins/1 1st for Love and a seperate trade involving CLE's unguaranteed contract for brewer

Why?

Because getting a prospect like Wiggins for a player demanding a trade is a pretty good haul. Even if you find Wiggins overrated (as I do), there's no questioning his athleticism/potential. And he's on a rookie contract for 4 years

Yeah, but he ain't gonna play PF for Minny.

mademan · Post #1822 » by **mademan** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:49 pm

BullsFTW wrote:
mademan wrote:
BullsFTW wrote:Why?

Because getting a prospect like Wiggins for a player demanding a trade is a pretty good haul. Even if you find Wiggins overrated (as I do), there's no questioning his athleticism/potential. And he's on a rookie contract for 4 years

Yeah, but he ain't gonna play PF for Minny.

That;s a problem you worry about tomorrow, if youre the wolves. If the offers on the table are 29 year old Taj/Mcdermott or Barnes/picks or Boston's milloion picks...and CLE offers you 19 year old Wiggins, who was 1 year removed from being called the best prospect since Lebron...for a player demanding out...you take that and run.

BullsFTW · Post #1823 » by **BullsFTW** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:54 pm

mademan wrote:
BullsFTW wrote:
mademan wrote:
Because getting a prospect like Wiggins for a player demanding a trade is a pretty good haul. Even if you find Wiggins overrated (as I do), there's no questioning his athleticism/potential. And he's on a rookie contract for 4 years

Yeah, but he ain't gonna play PF for Minny.

That;s a problem you worry about tomorrow, if youre the wolves. If the offers on the table are 29 year old Taj/Mcdermott or Barnes/picks or Boston's milloion picks...and CLE offers you 19 year old Wiggins, who was 1 year removed from being called the best prospect since Lebron...for a player demanding out...you take that and run.

I know he'll be a Cav, and I don't think the Bulls would trade for Love. I'm just saying the hold-up could be the Wolves wanting a solid replacement for Love, hence the Philly rumors, and Philly has been known to want Waiters.

Post #1824 » by **DuckIII** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:55 pm

At the end of the day, Minnesota is going to cave on whatever their current demands so long as they get Wiggins. Let's face it. When is the last time a star who was demanding out (worst kept secret in the NBA, as to Love) netted something like Wiggins in return? Usually you get cap space, uncertain draft picks, and maybe a quality role player if you want one.

I'm not saying Minny won't get a little something extra beyond Wiggins/Bennet. I'm saying if Cleveland plays chicken, Minny will be the first to swerve.

mademan · Post #1825 » by **mademan** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:56 pm

BullsFTW wrote:
mademan wrote:
BullsFTW wrote:Yeah, but he ain't gonna play PF for Minny.

That;s a problem you worry about tomorrow, if youre the wolves. If the offers on the table are 29 year old Taj/Mcdermott or Barnes/picks or Boston's milloion picks...and CLE offers you 19 year old Wiggins, who was 1 year removed from being called the best prospect since Lebron...for a player demanding out...you take that and run.

I know he'll be a Cav, and I don't think the Bulls would trade for Love. I'm just saying the hold-up could be the Wolves wanting a solid replacement for Love, hence the Philly rumors, and Philly has been to want Waiters.

Ya, but it shouldn't be the Cavs problem that Minny wants a PF. The Cavs are offering a package much better than anyone else is, Minny has to trade Love...for the Cavs to add anymore value on top of that would be stupid on their part.

BullsFTW · Post #1826 » by **BullsFTW** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 3:57 pm

DuckIII wrote:At the end of the day, Minnesota is going to cave on whatever their current demands so long as they get Wiggins. Let's face it. When is the last time a star who was demanding out (worst kept secret in the NBA, as to Love) netted something like Wiggins in return? Usually you get cap space, uncertain draft picks, and maybe a quality role player if you want one.

I'm not saying Minny won't get a little something extra beyond Wiggins/Bennet. I'm saying if Cleveland plays chicken, Minny will be the first to swerve.

They will not swerve, because the King gets what he wants.

I think Minnesota knows this, can't blame Flip for milking as much as he can.

Post #1827 » by **DuckIII** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:03 pm

BullsFTW wrote:
DuckIII wrote:At the end of the day, Minnesota is going to cave on whatever their current demands so long as they get Wiggins. Let's face it. When is the last time a star who was demanding out (worst kept secret in the NBA, as to Love) netted something like Wiggins in return? Usually you get cap space, uncertain draft picks, and maybe a quality role player if you want one.

I'm not saying Minny won't get a little something extra beyond Wiggins/Bennet. I'm saying if Cleveland plays chicken, Minny will be the first to swerve.

They will not swerve, because the King gets what he wants.

I think Minnesota knows this, can't blame Flip for milking as much as he can.

I don't blame him. I think he's playing it just right. And the reason I added "I'm not saying Minny won't get a little something extra" is specifically because Cleveland has the motivation to build a contender as fast as possible to appease LeBron on his 2 year deal (though I consider that a financial move, not leverage - I think he retires a Cav). So while Minny has some leverage, at the end of the day, they'll do what they need to do to ensure Wiggins heads north.

Proven_Winner · Post #1828 » by **Proven_Winner** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:04 pm

How do they expect to get brewer with a bunch of expirings though. Minny knows they could get more for Brewer then that unless they are doing it to make the trade fair or something.

mademan · Post #1829 » by **mademan** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:04 pm

BullsFTW wrote:
DuckIII wrote:At the end of the day, Minnesota is going to cave on whatever their current demands so long as they get Wiggins. Let's face it. When is the last time a star who was demanding out (worst kept secret in the NBA, as to Love) netted something like Wiggins in return? Usually you get cap space, uncertain draft picks, and maybe a quality role player if you want one.

I'm not saying Minny won't get a little something extra beyond Wiggins/Bennet. I'm saying if Cleveland plays chicken, Minny will be the first to swerve.

They will not swerve, because the King gets what he wants.

I think Minnesota knows this, can't blame Flip for milking as much as he can.

Sure, and I can see CLE adding in an extra future pick to expediate the process, but adding in anything of actual value like Waiters (who will be their starting SG) would be horribly stupid on their part

BullsFTW · Post #1830 » by **BullsFTW** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:10 pm

mademan wrote:
BullsFTW wrote:
DuckIII wrote:At the end of the day, Minnesota is going to cave on whatever their current demands so long as they get Wiggins. Let's face it. When is the last time a star who was demanding out (worst kept secret in the NBA, as to Love) netted something like Wiggins in return? Usually you get cap space, uncertain draft picks, and maybe a quality role player if you want one.

I'm not saying Minny won't get a little something extra beyond Wiggins/Bennet. I'm saying if Cleveland plays chicken, Minny will be the first to swerve.

They will not swerve, because the King gets what he wants.

I think Minnesota knows this, can't blame Flip for milking as much as he can.

Sure, and I can see CLE adding in an extra future pick to expediate the process, but adding in anything of actual value like Waiters (who will be their starting SG) would be horribly stupid on their part

Isn't that the Cavs front-office though

mademan · Post #1831 » by **mademan** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:14 pm

BullsFTW wrote:
mademan wrote:
BullsFTW wrote:They will not swerve, because the King gets what he wants.

I think Minnesota knows this, can't blame Flip for milking as much as he can.

Sure, and I can see CLE adding in an extra future pick to expediate the process, but adding in anything of actual value like Waiters (who will be their starting SG) would be horribly stupid on their part

Isn't that the Cavs front-office though

Yes. Yes it is.

Ralphb07 · Post #1832 » by **Ralphb07** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:30 pm

I've always felt we were better suited as the 3rd team. I think Minnesota would love to get Wiggins and Gibson. The problem is I don't see them getting what would interest the Bulls.

cubd8 · Post #1833 » by **cubd8** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:31 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:I've always felt we were better suited as the 3rd team. I think Minnesota would love to get Wiggins and Gibson. The problem is I don't see them getting what would interest the Bulls.

Ralph - is this deal going to down without any involvement from Chicago?

Kaled · Post #1834 » by **Kaled** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:37 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:I've always felt we were better suited as the 3rd team. I think Minnesota would love to get Wiggins and Gibson. The problem is I don't see them getting what would interest the Bulls.

If we lose assets and don't get the better player, i don't see why Chicago should benefit a rival land a superstar while we get the leftovers.

dice · Post #1835 » by **dice** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:42 pm

dunno how many people noticed, but anthony bennett actually played well in the second half of his season

panthermark · Post #1836 » by **panthermark** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:45 pm

Sooooo.....what foul rumor can we leak about Wigggins to sabatoge this whole thing?

Mech Engineer · Post #1837 » by **Mech Engineer** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 4:56 pm

I am not sure if Cleveland cares about retaining Waiters or not. Although he might be talented, he has kind of hinted that he doesn't like to be a role player. He might be the 5th or 6th option if they get Love, Allen etc... The 4th or 5th options on a loaded team are usually veterans who will accept their role.

Plus, he probably would want a big extension next year. They might keep Bennett/pick and develop him slowly into a role rather than keep an unhappy Waiters even if he is more talented than Bennett or somebody else.

Ralphb07 · Post #1838 » by **Ralphb07** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 5:04 pm

cubd8 wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:I've always felt we were better suited as the 3rd team. I think Minnesota would love to get Wiggins and Gibson. The problem is I don't see them getting what would interest the Bulls.

Ralph - is this deal going to down without any involvement from Chicago?

No clue, how does anyone really know right now. I do think they need a 3rd team to complete the deal bit that could be Philly. If Minnesota only gets Wiggins and doesn't send out salary, other than Wiggins becoming a star player, it would be a bad deal imo. I know Wiggins is suppose to be good but Beasley was considered a can't miss as well.

Also by not surrounding Wiggins with talent, he'll bolt as well. Minny needs to get the young guy but also needs veterans to establish a winning environment. So what they get out of Love is huge.

RyGuy24 · Post #1839 » by **RyGuy24** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 5:04 pm

dice wrote:dunno how many people noticed, but anthony bennett actually played well in the second half of his season

He only even played in 18 total games over the final 3 months though, and barely any meaningful minutes within those games he did play.

Post #1840 » by **DuckIII** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 5:07 pm

dice wrote:dunno how many people noticed, but anthony bennett actually played well in the second half of his season

Compared to what? He only saw the floor in less than half of their second-half games. He wasn't horrible, I suppose, but its hard to take much positive away from his pruduction due to how limited it is.

That said, they guy looks to me like he's got talent. I'm no Bennet hater. I think he can be a productive player.