The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

King4Day · Post #1441 » by **King4Day** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 8:54 pm

I bet this is what Dragic will get next season. Or something close to it. Def not a max now.

Post #1442 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 8:57 pm

SF88 wrote:
KaneSFFL wrote:Caves prob don't need another pg, but would you guys take Andy V and Bennett and a first for bled and a second rounder?

If Andy V wasn't so injury prone I'd say yes.

We're gonna need Wiggins in any trade of Bledsoe to the Cavs.

I think a package of Bledsoe/Green/Suns 1st 2015 & 2017 would be a good deal... for us.

LukasBMW · Post #1443 » by **LukasBMW** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 9:38 pm

Why don't we offer Bledsoe 4/48 with a $1 mil bonus for every all star game or all NBA selection or all defense selection?

If he becomes a star and make 3 all star games and 3 all NBA selections and 2 all defense selections, then his 12 mil per year jumps to 14 mil per year.

Hell, he could potentially earn 15 mil a year if he becomes a top 10 player like he thinks he is and bangs out 4 all star games, 4 all NBA selections, and 4 all defense selections.

BurningHeart · Post #1444 » by **BurningHeart** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 9:54 pm

I'm over Kevin Love.

Dude seems like a primadonna dicknose just like the rest of 'em.

JTrain · Post #1445 » by **JTrain** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 9:59 pm

I wouldn't want to put all-star/all-nba incentives into his contract. It might alter his game, even if subconsciously. if there are incentives they should be to play in 70 games and for the team to make the playoffs (not sure if the latter is legal).

The other thing to consider: As far as I understand, incentives count against the cap whether they are triggered or not. So a 12M base salary with a possible 2M in incentives counts the same as a 14M salary.

tgtm_24 · Post #1446 » by **tgtm_24** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 10:31 pm

JTrain wrote:I wouldn't want to put all-star/all-nba incentives into his contract. It might alter his game, even if subconsciously. if there are incentives they should be to play in 70 games and for the team to make the playoffs (not sure if the latter is legal).

The other thing to consider: As far as I understand, incentives count against the cap whether they are triggered or not. So a 12M base salary with a possible 2M in incentives counts the same as a 14M salary.

So what happens to that cap room if the incentives aren't met? Say 70 games triggers a bonus, but he's already missed 13 and Suns can't make the playoffs, is there all of a sudden an extra 2M in the kitty?

NTB · Post #1447 » by **NTB** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 10:31 pm

Bledsoe + Morris(or Green?) = MCW + Thad? I know it is not equal but it is S&T.

I heard that MCW's defense is not bad. Is it true?

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1448 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 10:35 pm

BurningHeart wrote:I'm over Kevin Love.

Dude seems like a primadonna dicknose just like the rest of 'em.

your just now realizing this?!?!

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carey · Post #1449 » by **carey** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 10:51 pm

JTrain wrote: The other thing to consider: As far as I understand, incentives count against the cap whether they are triggered or not. So a 12M base salary with a possible 2M in incentives counts the same as a 14M salary.

No, iirc it's only in the first season that it applies to the cap. Then they are either classified as likely or unlikely to be achieved and only the likely incentives count against team salaries.

JTrain · Post #1450 » by **JTrain** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 10:58 pm

tgtm_24 wrote:
JTrain wrote:I wouldn't want to put all-star/all-nba incentives into his contract. It might alter his game, even if subconsciously. if there are incentives they should be to play in 70 games and for the team to make the playoffs (not sure if the latter is legal).

The other thing to consider: As far as I understand, incentives count against the cap whether they are triggered or not. So a 12M base salary with a possible 2M in incentives counts the same as a 14M salary.

So what happens to that cap room if the incentives aren't met? Say 70 games triggers a bonus, but he's already missed 13 and Suns can't make the playoffs, is there all of a sudden an extra 2M in the kitty?

Nevermind, I think I read it wrong. Performance incentives classified as unlikely (if they weren't achieved the previous season) don't go towards the team's salary. I'm assuming that would fit there. So maybe incentives will help our cap situation.

EDIT: carey beat me to it.

Jdiddy701 · Post #1451 » by **Jdiddy701** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 10:58 pm

If Bledsoe does resign in Phoenix, do you think he will get a press conference? I can guarantee those questions he will get will be very very awkward.

To the avoid that, 99% of me is saying that Bledsoe fires his agent.

baubo · Post #1452 » by **baubo** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 11:05 pm

JTrain wrote:I wouldn't want to put all-star/all-nba incentives into his contract. It might alter his game, even if subconsciously. if there are incentives they should be to play in 70 games and for the team to make the playoffs (not sure if the latter is legal).

Random Rockets fan checking to see if there's any rumors of Bledsoe possibly to the Rockets if he can't work things out with you guys.

I'll answer the bolded part. Yes. Team-related bonuses are legal. I've seen it on several contracts over the years. So you can make bonsues that involve making the playoffs, making finals, winning championhips, etc.

matt131 · Post #1453 » by **matt131** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 11:07 pm

baubo wrote:
JTrain wrote:I wouldn't want to put all-star/all-nba incentives into his contract. It might alter his game, even if subconsciously. if there are incentives they should be to play in 70 games and for the team to make the playoffs (not sure if the latter is legal).

Random Rockets fan checking to see if there's any rumors of Bledsoe possibly to the Rockets if he can't work things out with you guys.

I'll answer the bolded part. Yes. Team-related bonuses are legal. I've seen it on several contracts over the years. So you can make bonsues that involve making the playoffs, making finals, winning championhips, etc.

Wanna send over that magnificent, bearded fellow in exchange :eyebrows:

Jdiddy701 · Post #1454 » by **Jdiddy701** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 11:16 pm

Side note, Markieff and Marcus working on their game every day. Love them wish all players had the work ethic like them. I have a feeling Markieff starting will be good for us next season.

baubo · Post #1455 » by **baubo** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 11:36 pm

matt131 wrote:Wanna send over that magnificent, bearded fellow in exchange

I'm surprised a non-Rockets fan would actually ask for Harden given all the national report about how bad he is on all fronts. At this point, I'm not sure there even even many Houston fans who think positively of Harden. :lol:

But I still love him, and believe he'll try harder on defense as he age and understand what it takes to win. Dude is still only 24. I can't speak for Morey, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Capella and Pelicans 1st next year along with some non-guaranteed contracts for Bledsoe S&T.

JDLAW · Post #1456 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 11:46 pm

JTrain wrote:I wouldn't want to put all-star/all-nba incentives into his contract. It might alter his game, even if subconsciously. if there are incentives they should be to play in 70 games and for the team to make the playoffs (not sure if the latter is legal).

The other thing to consider: As far as I understand, incentives count against the cap whether they are triggered or not. So a 12M base salary with a possible 2M in incentives counts the same as a 14M salary.

Your understanding is incorrect. The League looks at the incentives and counts those prospectively against the cap that are likely to be met. The others are not unless they are achieved. For example, if you gave Bledsoe an incentive for being the MVP of the playoffs to of the league, they're unlikely to count. If you gave him an incentive for playing 41 games, it would likely be counted.

JDLAW · Post #1457 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 11:49 pm

baubo wrote:
matt131 wrote:Wanna send over that magnificent, bearded fellow in exchange

I'm surprised a non-Rockets fan would actually ask for Harden given all the national report about how bad he is on all fronts. At this point, I'm not sure there even even many Houston fans who think positively of Harden.

But I still love him, and believe he'll try harder on defense as he age and understand what it takes to win. Dude is still only 24. I can't speak for Morey, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Capella and Pelicans 1st next year along with some non-guaranteed contracts for Bledsoe S&T.

Think along different lines.

spanishninja · Post #1458 » by **spanishninja** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 11:49 pm

baubo wrote:
matt131 wrote:Wanna send over that magnificent, bearded fellow in exchange

I'm surprised a non-Rockets fan would actually ask for Harden given all the national report about how bad he is on all fronts. At this point, I'm not sure there even even many Houston fans who think positively of Harden.

But I still love him, and believe he'll try harder on defense as he age and understand what it takes to win. Dude is still only 24. I can't speak for Morey, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Capella and Pelicans 1st next year along with some non-guaranteed contracts for Bledsoe S&T.

the only reason you'd want himi is so you benefit instead of get shafted from the BS calls he gets.

tgtm_24 · Post #1459 » by **tgtm_24** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 11:52 pm

carey wrote:
JTrain wrote: The other thing to consider: As far as I understand, incentives count against the cap whether they are triggered or not. So a 12M base salary with a possible 2M in incentives counts the same as a 14M salary.

No, iirc it's only in the first season that it applies to the cap. Then they are either classified as likely or unlikely to be achieved and only the likely incentives count against team salaries.

Thanks for that mate

SideSwipe · Post #1460 » by **SideSwipe** » Sat Aug 2, 2014 12:19 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:If Bledsoe does resign in Phoenix, do you think he will get a press conference? I can guarantee those questions he will get will be very very awkward.

To the avoid that, 99% of me is saying that Bledsoe fires his agent.

This would be one way to help make peace with fans, even if it wasn't all Paul's fault. Make him the scape goat and Bledsoe comes out cleaner. That said, Paul will have more media contacts to refute that report, plus no sense angering the agent of the chosen one. All told, this would probably be a bad move in Bledsoe's eyes.