Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[panthermark]

@NBASportsLegion: Updated Cavs/T-Wolves trade offer: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett & a first round pick to Minnesota for Kevin Love & Corey Brewer. (Herald

@NBASportsLegion: The Herald reports that the T-Wolves would also like to somehow get rid of JJ Barea and his $4.5 million contract.

Damn...that is my biggest fear.

When these rumors first came up, Brewer was exactly who I didn't want them to get.

While Brewer's 3 is kinda broke....a long wing defender would kill us...AND they keep Waiters?

Irving/Brewer/Bron/Love/AV is pretty much the perfect kryptonite to our team as constructed on both sides of the court....especially if Waiters is their 6th man.

Somebody better go find some dirt on Saunders....we have to, have to, have to, stop that trade.

[TheStig]

That sure belped when the Spurs were lightning them up. LeBron can't guard every one. Top half isn't good enough and Varejo is past his prime so if he is your anchor you already have problems. We already know Love and Irving are bad defenders so that 5th starter needs to be a good one.

Yeah, Varejo at 31 is long gone but Pau Gasol at 34 is just coming into his own. Why can't Varejo at 31 anchor the defense but Noah at 29 can? Varejo has at least a couple more high level years.

And Miami had no rim protector, no rebounder and was playing people who were ancient or injured. The Cavs will be one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The Heat were one of the worst.

You do realize that in the past 3 seasons that Varejao has suffered from some ailment that has ended his season?
A torn tendon, a broken wrist and a blood clot.
Do you really want to ask as to why most think he isn't able to anchor the D? Because he can't stay healthy and there is a reason why the Cavs wanted to move a future 1st for a C.
He has played 146 games out of a possible 328 regular season games in the past 4 seasons.

If your going to use that logic, what do you have to say about Rose?

[MrFortune3]

Yeah, Varejo at 31 is long gone but Pau Gasol at 34 is just coming into his own. Why can't Varejo at 31 anchor the defense but Noah at 29 can? Varejo has at least a couple more high level years.

And Miami had no rim protector, no rebounder and was playing people who were ancient or injured. The Cavs will be one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The Heat were one of the worst.

You do realize that in the past 3 seasons that Varejao has suffered from some ailment that has ended his season?
A torn tendon, a broken wrist and a blood clot.
Do you really want to ask as to why most think he isn't able to anchor the D? Because he can't stay healthy and there is a reason why the Cavs wanted to move a future 1st for a C.
He has played 146 games out of a possible 328 regular season games in the past 4 seasons.

If your going to use that logic, what do you have to say about Rose?

That he's not 31, hasn't had a string of injuries for more than 2 seasons straight, hasn't had a peculiar case with any of his injuries and had no injury history prior to that.
Anything else?

[panthermark]

That he's not 31, hasn't had a string of injuries for more than 2 seasons straight, hasn't had a peculiar case with any of his injuries and had no injury history prior to that.
Anything else?

That isn't true at all. Rose was bothered by all sorts of injuries the year he tore his ACL (bleeding groin, toe that won't bend)....he missed a lot of games.

And we are talking about injuries to the knees....

I'm not bashing Rose in anyway. But it is really funny how "their guys" are all injured, but "our guys" our fine. For awhile there, you could set your clock to the annual "Noah is out with foot problems" issue.

[TheStig]

You do realize that in the past 3 seasons that Varejao has suffered from some ailment that has ended his season?
A torn tendon, a broken wrist and a blood clot.
Do you really want to ask as to why most think he isn't able to anchor the D? Because he can't stay healthy and there is a reason why the Cavs wanted to move a future 1st for a C.
He has played 146 games out of a possible 328 regular season games in the past 4 seasons.

If your going to use that logic, what do you have to say about Rose?

That he's not 31, hasn't had a string of injuries for more than 2 seasons straight, hasn't had a peculiar case with any of his injuries and had no injury history prior to that.
Anything else?

I know this is a Bulls board but you guys are being delusional. Anyone in the league is more concerned with Derrick Rose's health than Varejo. Or are we forgetting the 10 games in 2 years.

[WindyCityBorn]

Show me the last Bron team that wasn't top half defensively?

That sure belped when the Spurs were lightning them up. LeBron can't guard every one. Top half isn't good enough and Varejo is past his prime so if he is your anchor you already have problems. We already know Love and Irving are bad defenders so that 5th starter needs to be a good one.

Yeah, Varejo at 31 is long gone but Pau Gasol at 34 is just coming into his own. Why can't Varejo at 31 anchor the defense but Noah at 29 can? Varejo has at least a couple more high level years.

And Miami had no rim protector, no rebounder and was playing people who were ancient or injured. The Cavs will be one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The Heat were one of the worst.

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Noah just won DPOY and was an all-star. What did Varejo do? Gasol has never been mentioned as a adefensive anchor(he doesn't need to be with Taj and Noah here) and he is miles better than Varejo despite being older.

[mademan]

@NBASportsLegion: Updated Cavs/T-Wolves trade offer: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett & a first round pick to Minnesota for Kevin Love & Corey Brewer. (Herald

@NBASportsLegion: The Herald reports that the T-Wolves would also like to somehow get rid of JJ Barea and his $4.5 million contract.

Damn...that is my biggest fear.

When these rumors first came up, Brewer was exactly who I didn't want them to get.

While Brewer's 3 is kinda broke....a long wing defender would kill us...AND they keep Waiters?

Irving/Brewer/Bron/Love/AV is pretty much the perfect kryptonite to our team as constructed on both sides of the court....especially if Waiters is their 6th man.

Somebody better go find some dirt on Saunders....we have to, have to, have to, stop that trade.

Brewer would be a great get for them. Having a long,quick wing defender to guard the likes Rose/Westbrook and other big pg's. With Lebron/Brewer/Delladova/Waiters, they'll have multiple looks to throw at Rose.

[mab2039]

That sure belped when the Spurs were lightning them up. LeBron can't guard every one. Top half isn't good enough and Varejo is past his prime so if he is your anchor you already have problems. We already know Love and Irving are bad defenders so that 5th starter needs to be a good one.

Yeah, Varejo at 31 is long gone but Pau Gasol at 34 is just coming into his own. Why can't Varejo at 31 anchor the defense but Noah at 29 can? Varejo has at least a couple more high level years.

And Miami had no rim protector, no rebounder and was playing people who were ancient or injured. The Cavs will be one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The Heat were one of the worst.

a

Noah just won DPOY and was an all-star. What did Varejo do? Gasol has never been mentioned as a adefensive anchor(he doesn't need to be with Taj and Noah here) and he is miles better than Varejo despite being older.

Verejao was defenitley injured past years but he was held back by the team too, sure he would have played some games but they were tanking pretty hard. So no reason to play games when you are tanking.

[WindyCityBorn]

Yeah, Varejo at 31 is long gone but Pau Gasol at 34 is just coming into his own. Why can't Varejo at 31 anchor the defense but Noah at 29 can? Varejo has at least a couple more high level years.

And Miami had no rim protector, no rebounder and was playing people who were ancient or injured. The Cavs will be one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The Heat were one of the worst.

a

Noah just won DPOY and was an all-star. What did Varejo do? Gasol has never been mentioned as a adefensive anchor(he doesn't need to be with Taj and Noah here) and he is miles better than Varejo despite being older.

Verejao was defenitley injured past years but he was held back by the team too, sure he would have played some games but they were tanking pretty hard. So no reason to play games when you are tanking.

So we have established there is a double standard when it comes to questionable Cavs players?

[TheStig]

That sure belped when the Spurs were lightning them up. LeBron can't guard every one. Top half isn't good enough and Varejo is past his prime so if he is your anchor you already have problems. We already know Love and Irving are bad defenders so that 5th starter needs to be a good one.

Yeah, Varejo at 31 is long gone but Pau Gasol at 34 is just coming into his own. Why can't Varejo at 31 anchor the defense but Noah at 29 can? Varejo has at least a couple more high level years.

And Miami had no rim protector, no rebounder and was playing people who were ancient or injured. The Cavs will be one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The Heat were one of the worst.

a

Noah just won DPOY and was an all-star. What did Varejo do? Gasol has never been mentioned as a adefensive anchor(he doesn't need to be with Taj and Noah here) and he is miles better than Varejo despite being older.

Varejo's anchored team got to the finals and he has been on the all nba defensive team. He is a capable defensive and rebounding center.

[TheStig]

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Noah just won DPOY and was an all-star. What did Varejo do? Gasol has never been mentioned as a adefensive anchor(he doesn't need to be with Taj and Noah here) and he is miles better than Varejo despite being older.

Verejao was defenitley injured past years but he was held back by the team too, sure he would have played some games but they were tanking pretty hard. So no reason to play games when you are tanking.

So we have established there is a double standard when it comes to questionable Cavs players?

Lets talk injuries then in the last 12 months.

Rose- Torn Meniscus
Noah- Undisclosed Knee injury that he had surgically repaired.
Butler- Turf Toe (that apparently rendered him inefficient all year) Currently a groin injury.
Paul Gasol- Leg Injury
Kirk Hinrich Multiple aliments.

That's half the rotation.

[panthermark]

Yeah, Varejo at 31 is long gone but Pau Gasol at 34 is just coming into his own. Why can't Varejo at 31 anchor the defense but Noah at 29 can? Varejo has at least a couple more high level years.

And Miami had no rim protector, no rebounder and was playing people who were ancient or injured. The Cavs will be one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The Heat were one of the worst.

a

Noah just won DPOY and was an all-star. What did Varejo do? Gasol has never been mentioned as a adefensive anchor(he doesn't need to be with Taj and Noah here) and he is miles better than Varejo despite being older.

Varejo's anchored team got to the finals and he has been on the all nba defensive team. He is a capable defensive and rebounding center.

Yup, he has a career DRtg of 102. He was 103 last year on a BAD team. AV will be fine. He has never been much of a shot blocker, but he is a solid defensive player. Plus they will throw in Haywood to body up Gasol.

[WindyCityBorn]

Yeah, Varejo at 31 is long gone but Pau Gasol at 34 is just coming into his own. Why can't Varejo at 31 anchor the defense but Noah at 29 can? Varejo has at least a couple more high level years.

And Miami had no rim protector, no rebounder and was playing people who were ancient or injured. The Cavs will be one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The Heat were one of the worst.

a

Noah just won DPOY and was an all-star. What did Varejo do? Gasol has never been mentioned as a adefensive anchor(he doesn't need to be with Taj and Noah here) and he is miles better than Varejo despite being older.

Varejo's anchored team got to the finals and he has been on the all nba defensive team. He is a capable defensive and rebounding center.

Pau won two championships and played for a 3rd as the second option on offense. Double standard for Cavs players confirmed. Pau was actually decent on very bad team last year while Varejo was MIA.

[johnnyvann840]

Yeah, Varejo at 31 is long gone but Pau Gasol at 34 is just coming into his own. Why can't Varejo at 31 anchor the defense but Noah at 29 can? Varejo has at least a couple more high level years.

And Miami had no rim protector, no rebounder and was playing people who were ancient or injured. The Cavs will be one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The Heat were one of the worst.

a

Noah just won DPOY and was an all-star. What did Varejo do? Gasol has never been mentioned as a adefensive anchor(he doesn't need to be with Taj and Noah here) and he is miles better than Varejo despite being older.

Varejo's anchored team got to the finals and he has been on the all nba defensive team. He is a capable defensive and rebounding center.

yeah, we tend to sell AV a little short around here. Truth is, just the year before last, he was an absolute beast until he got hurt. I mean putting up shockingly great numbers. I remember him having a 1st half of the season going that was all star quality. Problem is, he is hurt all the time... but, so are we.

just checked- AV was averaging around 15 and 15 for the first few months of the 2012-13 season when he went down.

Brewer is a great pickup if they get him in the deal. Exactly what they need some per3imeter D help for Bron and a guy who is a streaky 3 pt shooter. I would WAY rather face the Cavs with Waiters and no Brewer than with both.

[WindyCityBorn]

Verejao was defenitley injured past years but he was held back by the team too, sure he would have played some games but they were tanking pretty hard. So no reason to play games when you are tanking.

So we have established there is a double standard when it comes to questionable Cavs players?

Lets talk injuries then in the last 12 months.

Rose- Torn Meniscus
Noah- Undisclosed Knee injury that he had surgically repaired.
Butler- Turf Toe (that apparently rendered him inefficient all year) Currently a groin injury.
Paul Gasol- Leg Injury
Kirk Hinrich Multiple aliments.

That's half the rotation.

Yawn. Varejo hasn't done anything in years.

[BullsFTW]

@NBASportsLegion: Updated Cavs/T-Wolves trade offer: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett & a first round pick to Minnesota for Kevin Love & Corey Brewer. (Herald

@NBASportsLegion: The Herald reports that the T-Wolves would also like to somehow get rid of JJ Barea and his $4.5 million contract.

Damn...that is my biggest fear.

When these rumors first came up, Brewer was exactly who I didn't want them to get.

While Brewer's 3 is kinda broke....a long wing defender would kill us...AND they keep Waiters?

Irving/Brewer/Bron/Love/AV is pretty much the perfect kryptonite to our team as constructed on both sides of the court....especially if Waiters is their 6th man.

Somebody better go find some dirt on Saunders....we have to, have to, have to, stop that trade.

Corey Brewer is your biggest fear? I mean yeah he's an ok defender, but really?

[TheStig]

So we have established there is a double standard when it comes to questionable Cavs players?

Lets talk injuries then in the last 12 months.

Rose- Torn Meniscus
Noah- Undisclosed Knee injury that he had surgically repaired.
Butler- Turf Toe (that apparently rendered him inefficient all year) Currently a groin injury.
Paul Gasol- Leg Injury
Kirk Hinrich Multiple aliments.

That's half the rotation.

Yawn. Varejo hasn't done anything in years.

He played 65 games last year. That's more than the last 3 years for Rose.

[panthermark]

@NBASportsLegion: Updated Cavs/T-Wolves trade offer: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett & a first round pick to Minnesota for Kevin Love & Corey Brewer. (Herald

@NBASportsLegion: The Herald reports that the T-Wolves would also like to somehow get rid of JJ Barea and his $4.5 million contract.

Damn...that is my biggest fear.

When these rumors first came up, Brewer was exactly who I didn't want them to get.

While Brewer's 3 is kinda broke....a long wing defender would kill us...AND they keep Waiters?

Irving/Brewer/Bron/Love/AV is pretty much the perfect kryptonite to our team as constructed on both sides of the court....especially if Waiters is their 6th man.

Somebody better go find some dirt on Saunders....we have to, have to, have to, stop that trade.

Corey Brewer is your biggest fear? I mean yeah he's an ok defender, but really?

Ummm....yeah....Brewer with some dude named Love going to that particular team while they keep Waiters.
If that deal goes through, they can throw a long defender on Rose all game. While on the flip side, if Butler is on Bron, it means Rose has to defend Irving.

With Love on the court, they pull our best defenders/rim protectors 18 feet away from the basket....but we can't really punish Love on the opposite end if they "hide" him on Noah. We have to hope Gasol can simply butcher AV and/Haywood one one one.

That also means Bron can "roam" a bit and cause havoc while they hide Irving on someone like MDJ.

So yeah....big fear.....because starters vs starters it is a bad match-up for us. We would really need Snell and the rooks to step big time.

[Mech Engineer]

I agree getting Corey Brewer is a great addition for the Cavs. I think he has even improved in his 3 pt shooting. All he needs to do his make 3 pointers and defend the other team's best wing player. LeBron never had a good wing defender next to him in Miami.

I think the Cavs are putting nice pieces around LeBron. The one underrated part of all this is LeBron himself. How much will all the mileage impact him and we keep assuming he will be healthy, the best player in the league. But, if he starts losing a little bit of his athleticism...can those other guys lift him up?

[WindyCityBorn]

Lets talk injuries then in the last 12 months.

Rose- Torn Meniscus
Noah- Undisclosed Knee injury that he had surgically repaired.
Butler- Turf Toe (that apparently rendered him inefficient all year) Currently a groin injury.
Paul Gasol- Leg Injury
Kirk Hinrich Multiple aliments.

That's half the rotation.

Yawn. Varejo hasn't done anything in years.

He played 65 games last year. That's more than the last 3 years for Rose.

And was worthless.