Any interest in Illysova

eagle13 · Post #1 » by **eagle13** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:30 pm

friendly bucks fan here - you guys are in the win-now mode right? What do you think of swapping our stretch 4s?

You get an experienced win now stretch 4 in Ersan Illysova for a 2nd rd pick
We get a rookie rebuilding stretch 4 in Adeian Payne for a lotto-protected 1st

in other words
Ersan & 1stLP for - Payne, 2nd

Illysova's scoring averaged in double figures and rebounded at the rate of 1reb/4mins despite being nagged by injures most of last year which accounts for his drop off from the previous year. He is 100% healthy now. He is 27 and has 3yrs left at $8mil/yr.

PandaKidd · Post #2 » by **PandaKidd** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:37 pm

Respectfully.

Not a chance. We arent trading our 1st round pick (AGAIN) for an aging player IMO. Hes a nice player, i like Ersan (killed me in fantasy 2 years ago). But Id rather keep the youth movement than go chasing a player who literally wont do anything for us long term IMO.

We dont need anymore PFs.

MaceCase · Post #3 » by **MaceCase** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:13 pm

Ferry was interested before when he wanted to trade Josh Smith there but Milwaukee's front office balked at offering Ersan so I think he effectively moved on between Millsap, Scott, Pero and Payne to pay a premium for a $24 million back-up now.

Rip2137 · Post #4 » by **Rip2137** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:38 pm

I wonder how GM's look back at stuff like that. Milwaukee could be rid of Ersans contract right now, MAYBE had Josh Smith. Instead they held their ground on a player that ended up not really being worth it.

I mean, I am sure nothing will ever beat Chicago not trading for Kobe because they were stubbornly holding on to Kirk Hinrich(yeah....that happened) but I still wonder.

MaceCase · Post #5 » by **MaceCase** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:11 pm

Was it Kirkland that Chicago was holding onto or was it Deng and then Kobe saying he wouldn't go anyway if Deng is included?

azuresou1 · Post #6 » by **azuresou1** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:15 pm

It was Deng.

On topic I think Ilyasova will be better if he gets out of Milwaukee and joins a real team but I'm not taking on his contract to find out, and especially not trading Payne on top of that.

theatlfan · Post #7 » by **theatlfan** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:31 pm

Um... guys... everyone is talking about Ersan and that horrible contract but there's a 1st included from MIL. As long as that pick has declining protection for a period less than 3 years, then I'd seriously consider a deal like this. Ersan + 1st with 20/20/20/2 2nds protections for even a protected 2nd is an easy pass, but Ersan + a 1st with 5/3/1 protection from MIL is interesting enough to look deeper.

PandaKidd · Post #8 » by **PandaKidd** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:10 pm

Trade 1st round picks for more 1st round picks (at about the same place).

No thanks

Post #9 » by **Hawk Eye** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:52 pm

If the bucks took off the lottery protection period then I would definitely consider it. That's my opinion though.

Post #10 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:57 pm

The 1st is nice if it's guaranteed to be a serviceable player but that's not the case.

MaceCase · Post #11 » by **MaceCase** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 1:25 am

HMFFL wrote:The 1st is nice if it's guaranteed to be a serviceable player but that's not the case.

Yea, if it's similar to the one that they were offering for Josh which basically was "if the pick is not conveyed by X years then it automatically will turn into a 2nd rounder" then it has little value. The Bucks have Kohl out the way so I doubt their new owners have the same fantasies of making the playoffs over the next few years making the likelihood of weak protections on a 1st slim to none. If they were perhaps receiving a veteran player whom they felt would have an almost definite impact on the win column then they'd be more likely to relax protections but for a mid-round rookie? Highly doubtful.

tonegully757 · Post #12 » by **tonegully757** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 1:00 pm

No thanks. Ferry is doing a great job improving the team and keeping us out of bad contracts. Hope y'all have a good year Buck fans.

eagle13 · Post #13 » by **eagle13** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 11:45 pm

Thanks for the feedback guys. Personally I really like Ersan and think he makes an awesome #1 frontcourt reserve and even an above average starting PF for a contender. Injuries messed with him last year but he's all healed up. He's a full on hustler and boarder with refined skills as a passer and long range shot. At 27 he's in his prime but by the time we are serious about winning again he'll be pushing 30. We just are not about getting victories during the period he's in his prime.

Bucks would never take lotto protection off their picks at this point for obvious reasons - especially for a player taken in mid rounds. Best I'd do is drop your 2nd coming back to us - Ersan 1st(LP) for Payne - heck there is no guarantee Payne doesn't bust plus he's already 23 - only 4 years younger than Ersan. I think you guys are passing up an OK deal - if indeed you are want to win this season.

theatlfan · Post #14 » by **theatlfan** » Sat Aug 2, 2014 2:43 pm

eagle13 wrote:Thanks for the feedback guys. Personally I really like Ersan and think he makes an awesome #1 frontcourt reserve and even an above average starting PF for a contender. Injuries messed with him last year but he's all healed up. He's a full on hustler and boarder with refined skills as a passer and long range shot. At 27 he's in his prime but by the time we are serious about winning again he'll be pushing 30. We just are not about getting victories during the period he's in his prime.

Bucks would never take lotto protection off their picks at this point for obvious reasons - especially for a player taken in mid rounds. Best I'd do is drop your 2nd coming back to us - Ersan 1st(LP) for Payne - heck there is no guarantee Payne doesn't bust plus he's already 23 - only 4 years younger than Ersan. I think you guys are passing up an OK deal - if indeed you are want to win this season.

I can't see too many teams interested in eating a 2yr/$16M contract for someone coming off injury. If you're looking for value coming back greater than (or even equal to) what you're dealing beside Ersan, then I'd suggest you're best route would be too keep him, rehab him on your own, and check the temperature at the deadline. Rumors are that right now no one is interested in eating that contract without getting value in the process and with our big situation, I can't see us being the ones to break that stance.

eagle13 · Post #15 » by **eagle13** » Sat Aug 2, 2014 5:31 pm

theatlfan wrote:I can't see too many teams interested in eating a 2yr/$16M contract for someone coming off injury. If you're looking for value coming back greater than (or even equal to) what you're dealing beside Ersan, then I'd suggest you're best route would be too keep him, rehab him on your own, and check the temperature at the deadline. Rumors are that right now no one is interested in eating that contract without getting value in the process and with our big situation, I can't see us being the ones to break that stance.

I agree with you about what our strategy should be - and if he does fully regain his game he'll be worth lots more than Payne as we had lots of offers before he was hurt. I was just just checking if any team had the foresight.