Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[NecessaryEvil]

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........oh ****......

So, are we really ready to face a James-Love-Irving trio for the next 5 seasons?

[DRoseCantStop]

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........oh ****......

So, are we really ready to face a James-Love-Irving trio for the next 5 seasons?

If that means 5 straight Bulls-Cavs ECFs then bring it on.

That will be an awesome series.

[Kaled]

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........oh ****......

So, are we really ready to face a James-Love-Irving trio for the next 5 seasons?

We weren't ready to face a LBJ-Wade-Bosh trio last couple of seasons, but we were up to the challenge. I said bring it on Cavs!

[Ralphb07]

Wade and Bosh were way scarier in 2010 than Irving and Love. Those players combined have ZERO playoff experience. I don't see that trio being better than the Wade, Bosh and James one. Wade and Bosh were both better than Love and Kyrie.

[TheStig]

Wade and Bosh were way scarier in 2010 than Irving and Love. Those players combined have ZERO playoff experience. I don't see that trio being better than the Wade, Bosh and James one. Wade and Bosh were both better than Love and Kyrie.

Wade was scarier that Irving but Love is scarier than Bosh. Particularly in this game where a stretch 4 next to Bron is huge. Love is also better than Bosh was IMO. So what if Bosh got bounced in the first round a couple of times, thats not much playoff experience. I also think the supporting cast in Cleveland is better than it was in Miami at first.

[G I N T]

Wade and Bosh were way scarier in 2010 than Irving and Love. Those players combined have ZERO playoff experience. I don't see that trio being better than the Wade, Bosh and James one. Wade and Bosh were both better than Love and Kyrie.

I don't know about that. 2011 Wade for sure, but he sucked these past few seasons and was clearly battling health issues and age-related decline. Same with Bosh, who basically turned into a jump shooter with Miami and was nowhere near the 3-pt shooter, post player and monster rebounder Love is. Kyrie/Love is younger than Wade/Bosh were too and is much better for floor spacing with their elite shooting. Defensively they're worse, but that team will absolutely be a force to be reckoned with.

[Shill]

Wade was scarier that Irving but Love is scarier than Bosh.

That's debatable.

The year before Bosh joined the Heat, he averaged 24 & 11 with a TS% of 59.2 and a PER of 25.0. He's also a significantly better defender than Love.

Love is the better three-point shooter, so it might be more of a natural fit, but Bosh sacrificed a lot of his game to join the Heat.

[Jcool0]

Wade and Bosh were way scarier in 2010 than Irving and Love. Those players combined have ZERO playoff experience. I don't see that trio being better than the Wade, Bosh and James one. Wade and Bosh were both better than Love and Kyrie.

I don't know about that. 2011 Wade for sure, but he sucked these past few seasons and was clearly battling health issues and age-related decline. Same with Bosh, who basically turned into a jump shooter with Miami and was nowhere near the 3-pt shooter, post player and monster rebounder Love is. Kyrie/Love is younger than Wade/Bosh were too and is much better for floor spacing with their elite shooting. Defensively they're worse, but that team will absolutely be a force to be reckoned with.

Wade might not be able to finish the entire season anymore but he has yet to "suck". He averaged 19 ppg in the regular season on .545 shooting (22 PER) and in the playoffs averaged 17.8 ppg on .500 shooting (18.5 PER)

[TheStig]

Wade was scarier that Irving but Love is scarier than Bosh.

That's debatable.

The year before Bosh joined the Heat, he averaged 24 & 11 with a TS% of 59.2 and a PER of 25.0. He's also a significantly better defender than Love.

Love is the better three-point shooter, so it might be more of a natural fit, but Bosh sacrificed a lot of his game to join the Heat.

I'm sorry, Love is better than Bosh was.

Comparing their last years, Love scored 2.1 ppg more, 1.7 rpg more, 2.0 apg more, played 7 more games, made 182 more 3's, 1.9 higher per and shot virtually the same ts%. Love was better.

[TheStig]

Wade and Bosh were way scarier in 2010 than Irving and Love. Those players combined have ZERO playoff experience. I don't see that trio being better than the Wade, Bosh and James one. Wade and Bosh were both better than Love and Kyrie.

I don't know about that. 2011 Wade for sure, but he sucked these past few seasons and was clearly battling health issues and age-related decline. Same with Bosh, who basically turned into a jump shooter with Miami and was nowhere near the 3-pt shooter, post player and monster rebounder Love is. Kyrie/Love is younger than Wade/Bosh were too and is much better for floor spacing with their elite shooting. Defensively they're worse, but that team will absolutely be a force to be reckoned with.

Wade might not be able to finish the entire season anymore but he has yet to "suck". He averaged 19 ppg in the regular season on .545 shooting (22 PER) and in the playoffs averaged 17.8 ppg on .500 shooting (18.5 PER)

It will be interesting to see what Wade does. He is still very talented and its really his health that is the question mark. The thing people forget is that Wade is best with the ball in his hands. Bron took that away from him after the first year. I think Wade will look much better in the pnr with Bosh. Playing off the ball takes away all his strengths.

[red222]

Why not try to attack Love in the pnr? We are allowed to try to attack them. I got no worries.

[Jcool0]

Wade was scarier that Irving but Love is scarier than Bosh.

That's debatable.

The year before Bosh joined the Heat, he averaged 24 & 11 with a TS% of 59.2 and a PER of 25.0. He's also a significantly better defender than Love.

Love is the better three-point shooter, so it might be more of a natural fit, but Bosh sacrificed a lot of his game to join the Heat.

I'm sorry, Love is better than Bosh was.

Comparing their last years, Love scored 2.1 ppg more, 1.7 rpg more, 2.0 apg more, played 7 more games, made 182 more 3's, 1.9 higher per and shot virtually the same ts%. Love was better.

So when the numbers are in Loves favor you quote them but when Bosh is higher in something its "virtually the same ts%" i think someone has a bias.

[Shill]

Wade was scarier that Irving but Love is scarier than Bosh.

That's debatable.

The year before Bosh joined the Heat, he averaged 24 & 11 with a TS% of 59.2 and a PER of 25.0. He's also a significantly better defender than Love.

Love is the better three-point shooter, so it might be more of a natural fit, but Bosh sacrificed a lot of his game to join the Heat.

I'm sorry, Love is better than Bosh was.

Comparing their last years, Love scored 2.1 ppg more, 1.7 rpg more, 2.0 apg more, played 7 more games, made 182 more 3's, 1.9 higher per and shot virtually the same ts%. Love was better.

We're talking about a 26.9 PER player versus at 25.0 PER player with comparable stats and better defense. That's not an overwhelming difference.

Cleveland is going to be a beast, but I don't know how much "scarier" they're going to be, if at all.

[TruthSerum]

I'd take Bosh over Love just on playoff experience alone. Then there's durability and D...

[TheStig]

That's debatable.

The year before Bosh joined the Heat, he averaged 24 & 11 with a TS% of 59.2 and a PER of 25.0. He's also a significantly better defender than Love.

Love is the better three-point shooter, so it might be more of a natural fit, but Bosh sacrificed a lot of his game to join the Heat.

I'm sorry, Love is better than Bosh was.

Comparing their last years, Love scored 2.1 ppg more, 1.7 rpg more, 2.0 apg more, played 7 more games, made 182 more 3's, 1.9 higher per and shot virtually the same ts%. Love was better.

So when the numbers are in Loves favor you quote them but when Bosh is higher in something its "virtually the same ts%" i think someone has a bias.

Considering the ts% is 59.2 vs 59.1 What would you call it? I consider 2.1 ppg, 1.7rpg, 2.0 apg, 1.9 per significant differences. .1% ts is not significant. What is that? 1 more basket out of a 1000?

[TheStig]

That's debatable.

The year before Bosh joined the Heat, he averaged 24 & 11 with a TS% of 59.2 and a PER of 25.0. He's also a significantly better defender than Love.

Love is the better three-point shooter, so it might be more of a natural fit, but Bosh sacrificed a lot of his game to join the Heat.

I'm sorry, Love is better than Bosh was.

Comparing their last years, Love scored 2.1 ppg more, 1.7 rpg more, 2.0 apg more, played 7 more games, made 182 more 3's, 1.9 higher per and shot virtually the same ts%. Love was better.

We're talking about a 26.9 PER player versus at 25.0 PER player with comparable stats and better defense. That's not an overwhelming difference.

Cleveland is going to be a beast, but I don't know how much "scarier" they're going to be, if at all.

I don't think the stats are as comparable as you make them out to be in that blanket statement. I think Love was better. Its a comparison of relativity and clearly Love was better in most measures.

[Shill]

I'm sorry, Love is better than Bosh was.

Comparing their last years, Love scored 2.1 ppg more, 1.7 rpg more, 2.0 apg more, played 7 more games, made 182 more 3's, 1.9 higher per and shot virtually the same ts%. Love was better.

We're talking about a 26.9 PER player versus at 25.0 PER player with comparable stats and better defense. That's not an overwhelming difference.

Cleveland is going to be a beast, but I don't know how much "scarier" they're going to be, if at all.

I don't think the stats are as comparable as you make them out to be in that blanket statement. I think Love was better. Its a comparison of relativity and clearly Love was better in most measures.

And I don't think the stat disparity is as big as you make it out to be, especially when factoring in defense.

I think Cleveland is going to be a juggernaut, but I don't expect a "next level" impact when subbing Bosh for Love.




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[TheStig]

We're talking about a 26.9 PER player versus at 25.0 PER player with comparable stats and better defense. That's not an overwhelming difference.

Cleveland is going to be a beast, but I don't know how much "scarier" they're going to be, if at all.

I don't think the stats are as comparable as you make them out to be in that blanket statement. I think Love was better. Its a comparison of relativity and clearly Love was better in most measures.

And I don't think the stat disparity is as big as you make it out to be, especially when factoring in defense.

I think Cleveland is going to be a juggernaut, but I don't expect a "next level" impact when subbing Bosh for Love.




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They are pretty significant when its almost every major category. They aren't next level differences. I never said they were. But they are significant. And my entire statement was that Love was better and the stats support that. Bosh's defense also suspect in Toronto. I think that Love being better goes a long way toward covering the differences between Irving and Wade. I think the fit between skill sets is better and the supporting cast is better.

[MalikJoakim24]

Why not try to attack Love in the pnr? We are allowed to try to attack them. I got no worries.

if rose is healthy, i aint worried about nothin

[Shill]

They are pretty significant when its almost every major category. They aren't next level differences. I never said they were. But they are significant. And my entire statement was that Love was better and the stats support that. Bosh's defense also suspect in Toronto. I think that Love being better goes a long way toward covering the differences between Irving and Wade. I think the fit between skill sets is better and the supporting cast is better.

You said Love was "scarier", and I said it's debatable when factoring in defense and the, in my opinion, not-so-significant difference in the raw averages.

And the bump you get from Bosh to Love doesn't cover the gargantuan difference between Wade and Irving. Wade was a 30 PER player before teaming up with Bron and Bosh.

As I've said, Cleveland is going to be beastly. But I don't expect them to be a severe upgrade over the 2010-11 Heat.

I guess we'll find out after the trade goes through.